5DS scores at DXO **now posted**
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Re: 5DS scores at DXO drop **tomorrow** (i.e. 7/8/15)
Agreed. This is the reason I don't care for DXO. They have always been doing sketchy things, and that clearly won't be changing any time soon.
In strait-out-of-camera comparisons, i.e. Screen DR, i.e. the files as you will actually edit them in a raw editor, the 5D III scores 10.97 stops of DR, the 5Ds scores 11.08 stops. :\ Seriously hoping the 5D IV hits the streets with something exciting in it...I want to be excited about a Canon DSLR again...it's just been a borefest lately... :'(
3kramd5 said:
Agreed. This is the reason I don't care for DXO. They have always been doing sketchy things, and that clearly won't be changing any time soon.
In strait-out-of-camera comparisons, i.e. Screen DR, i.e. the files as you will actually edit them in a raw editor, the 5D III scores 10.97 stops of DR, the 5Ds scores 11.08 stops. :\ Seriously hoping the 5D IV hits the streets with something exciting in it...I want to be excited about a Canon DSLR again...it's just been a borefest lately... :'(
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Re: 5DS scores at DXO drop **tomorrow** (i.e. 7/8/15)
"DxO, the same company behind DxOMark, has introduced DxO ONE, a new pocket-sized connected camera designed to capture images with a quality and caliber previously unobtainable in a one-inch sensor camera. The DxO ONE camera’s score of up to 85 puts it on par with many DSLR cameras, such as the Nikon D7200 and the Sony A7S (both with a score of 87), and is well above such Canon DSLRs as the EOS 5D Mark III (81) and the 7D Mark II (70)."
It is pretty clear that, DxO is cooking the numbers to suit their objectives for long time.
They are in full force comparing raw hdr score with normal scores of other cameras and calling is as a scinece.neuroanatomist said:
"DxO, the same company behind DxOMark, has introduced DxO ONE, a new pocket-sized connected camera designed to capture images with a quality and caliber previously unobtainable in a one-inch sensor camera. The DxO ONE camera’s score of up to 85 puts it on par with many DSLR cameras, such as the Nikon D7200 and the Sony A7S (both with a score of 87), and is well above such Canon DSLRs as the EOS 5D Mark III (81) and the 7D Mark II (70)."
It is pretty clear that, DxO is cooking the numbers to suit their objectives for long time.
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Regardless of the overall scores, performs very similar to the 5DIII when looking at the measurements. Makes me think that limiting to ISO 6400 was not about sensor performance but rather file size at higher ISO.
Only real difference I see when scrolling the "measurements" is that DR is slightly greater with the 5Ds/sr ISO 100-800.
So, when scaling down to 8 MP, not much of a reason to upgrade. But...if you want 50 MP...ok then....
Only real difference I see when scrolling the "measurements" is that DR is slightly greater with the 5Ds/sr ISO 100-800.
So, when scaling down to 8 MP, not much of a reason to upgrade. But...if you want 50 MP...ok then....
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The trouble with the BS That is DxO is that they present their data 'well' and are now quoted by many other sites on the web.
I find it interesting that when Pentax introduced the K3 with the 24 MP Exmor sensor in it they lost nearly a stop of that golden DR - according to DxO the 16 MP Exmor equipped K5 had a DR of 14.1 stops and the new K3 dropped to 13.3 stops. Thus the new K3 scored lower in overall score than the K5 ( about 80 against 82). When Nikon introduced the 24 MP Exmor equipped D7100 that cameras DR also dropped against the 16 MP D7000, but the overall score managed to go up slightly. However the D7200 uses a Toshiba 24 MP sensor with higher DR, and so the score of that camera has gone up considerably.
So on the face of it Pentax aren't concerned with the loss of a stop of golden DR, and a drop down the DxO scores, whereas Nikon are.
As for the DxO 'one' sensor score from multiple sampling on the raw; well, stroll on.
I find it interesting that when Pentax introduced the K3 with the 24 MP Exmor sensor in it they lost nearly a stop of that golden DR - according to DxO the 16 MP Exmor equipped K5 had a DR of 14.1 stops and the new K3 dropped to 13.3 stops. Thus the new K3 scored lower in overall score than the K5 ( about 80 against 82). When Nikon introduced the 24 MP Exmor equipped D7100 that cameras DR also dropped against the 16 MP D7000, but the overall score managed to go up slightly. However the D7200 uses a Toshiba 24 MP sensor with higher DR, and so the score of that camera has gone up considerably.
So on the face of it Pentax aren't concerned with the loss of a stop of golden DR, and a drop down the DxO scores, whereas Nikon are.
As for the DxO 'one' sensor score from multiple sampling on the raw; well, stroll on.
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PureClassA said:
It's like the editors of these websites are sleeping. DPReview and Petapixel still haven't picked up the story yet.
This will generate thousands of page views for them -- you think they'd be more on it.
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Thank you for keeping track of it, but I fear this has unleashed a 100 page forum nightmare....
For the record, I couldn't give two damns what DxO scores. Nothing against them or their system per se. I just love the camera. I'm very happy with it so far. Specs and bench scores do NOT tell a story. The hands and eyes of a capable photographer do.
Don't put your faith in benchmarks.
For the record, I couldn't give two damns what DxO scores. Nothing against them or their system per se. I just love the camera. I'm very happy with it so far. Specs and bench scores do NOT tell a story. The hands and eyes of a capable photographer do.
Don't put your faith in benchmarks.
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LOL! But seriously, Would anyone REALLY be that surprised if that DxO One "outscores" say, a Canon T6i ....
neuroanatomist said:
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Be it known:
I see no lenses yet tested yet with either camera. Bear in mind, a Sigma 50mm ART on a 5D III scores a 35.
The 55mm Otus on a Nikon D810 scores a 48.
The D810 has 64% MORE pixels than the 5D III.
How long does DxO delay lens testing since the numbers for my 5DSR plus my 20 year old Canon 135L f2 are going to match or perhaps beat that Zeiss/Sonikon combo...
Fun!!!
I see no lenses yet tested yet with either camera. Bear in mind, a Sigma 50mm ART on a 5D III scores a 35.
The 55mm Otus on a Nikon D810 scores a 48.
The D810 has 64% MORE pixels than the 5D III.
How long does DxO delay lens testing since the numbers for my 5DSR plus my 20 year old Canon 135L f2 are going to match or perhaps beat that Zeiss/Sonikon combo...
Fun!!!
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Re: 5DS scores at DXO drop **tomorrow** (i.e. 7/8/15)
Sounds more 'real-word' to me than just lens tests. Unless you already have a body and are not interested in other brands, this is not super-interesting. But this way you can compare the end result of several systems. You'd have no usage to hear that a Pentax lens is 'vastly superior' to anything on the market while their cameras are garbage (for example of course), if you want the best overall result.
If I misunderstood you, I'd like to hear what you mean.
Sorry, I don't get the problem. DxO presents lens scores -in combination with- cameras. So if you have a 'superior' body with a 'inferior' lens (Nikon), that can give you the same overall result as a 'inferior' body with a 'superior' lens (Canon).bdunbar79 said:
Sounds more 'real-word' to me than just lens tests. Unless you already have a body and are not interested in other brands, this is not super-interesting. But this way you can compare the end result of several systems. You'd have no usage to hear that a Pentax lens is 'vastly superior' to anything on the market while their cameras are garbage (for example of course), if you want the best overall result.
If I misunderstood you, I'd like to hear what you mean.
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Re: 5DS scores at DXO drop **tomorrow** (i.e. 7/8/15)
I'm sorry, I think you missed the point. Lenses don't have DR. Do they? The lens got an equal score because the photo, on screen, had more DR than the 5D3/500 combo. See the problem?
What should have been examined, and ONLY examined, are things like sharpness, CA, etc.
Corneria said:
I'm sorry, I think you missed the point. Lenses don't have DR. Do they? The lens got an equal score because the photo, on screen, had more DR than the 5D3/500 combo. See the problem?
What should have been examined, and ONLY examined, are things like sharpness, CA, etc.
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