5DS scores at DXO **now posted**
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PureClassA said:
My favorite DXO bit is the same Zeiss Otus lens getting a +11 point higher rating for the Nikon (a massive difference) solely because of sensor resolution.
I am curious to see if that trend holds when the same Otus lens is put on a 5DS.
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DXO's graphs are extremely helpful (especially their lens sharpness field maps). Their overall scoring however is NOT and just adds confusion. Just utilize it as a tool for specific bits of information you need when comparing two lenses or camera bodies.
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Sorry Canon, you don't qualify for the discretionary DxO points bonus... :'(neuroanatomist said:PureClassA said:
With a mere 12.4-stops of DR, Canon lenses just can't compete... :
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StudentOfLight said:Sorry Canon, you don't qualify for the discretionary DxO points bonus... :'(neuroanatomist said:PureClassA said:
With a mere 12.4-stops of DR, Canon lenses just can't compete... :
Let the defense begin. Excuse, attack, deflect, ...
The tests are what they are. They measure something, important in some case but for real world photography not sure what they measure ..
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According to the DxO measurements the 5Ds pixels are not very good at all. Their published measurements claim the 6D pixels are superior in every metric, including color sensitivity. Even the 7D Mark-II with its DPAF pixels is also claimed to perform slightly better at pixel level?
Can someone please pass the salt shaker. I need a two pinches of salt.
Can someone please pass the salt shaker. I need a two pinches of salt.
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I tend to appreciate the Lens metrics like "P-MP" (perceptual megapixels). That's about it. A 135L f2 resolves 20 p-MP on a 5D3. That's 90% of sensor maximum. The 70-200 2.8 Mk II resolves 21 on the same camera. Or, 95% of max resolution. (again all DxO numbers)
The Otus 55 on a Nikon D810 resolves 33MP, roughly 90% of sensor maximum. (we have to go to the German guys because Nikon can't make a lens that can do that, but I digress) So the Sharpest lens (3rd party) on the highest resolving DSLR camera (pre 5DS) resolved 33MP.
Sooooo When the 70-200 Mk II shows 40+ P-MP resolve on the 5DS .... Funny will happen.
The Otus 55 on a Nikon D810 resolves 33MP, roughly 90% of sensor maximum. (we have to go to the German guys because Nikon can't make a lens that can do that, but I digress) So the Sharpest lens (3rd party) on the highest resolving DSLR camera (pre 5DS) resolved 33MP.
Sooooo When the 70-200 Mk II shows 40+ P-MP resolve on the 5DS .... Funny will happen.
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http://www.dxomark.com/Cameras/Compare/Side-by-side/Canon-EOS-5DS-versus-Canon-EOS-5D-Mark-III-versus-DxO-ONE-SuperRAW-Plus___1008_795_1030
Nevermind. It's official. The DxO One is a better camera than the 5D Mk III. And only a mere 2% below the 5DS.
Well, Sh!t ... I gotta go return my 5DSR now.
Nevermind. It's official. The DxO One is a better camera than the 5D Mk III. And only a mere 2% below the 5DS.
Well, Sh!t ... I gotta go return my 5DSR now.
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PureClassA said:
Yeah, knowing this would happen, I didn't even bother with a 5Ds. I thought about the DxO ONE, but I'll wait for the next iteration, when any kinks have been worked out. I plugged ONE into the DxOMark Score algorithm and determined that their second camera will be the DxO NEGATIVE FOUR.
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I think some are misinterpreting certain people's responses to DxO anything. I for one just find it amusing entertainment. I don't care what they do. People like me are content knowing we have the best cameras for what we need and do. I don't want to speak for Neuro, but I'm pretty certain he feels the same. This stuff is just good for a few laughs. If DxO tomorrow revised the score to a 96, beating the D810, it still makes ZERO difference to us.
That said, a DxO ONE getting a higher overall score than a 5D3 even with it's own admittedly substantially worse ISO performance (by it's own tested score metrics).... THAT is something to raise an eyebrow at. That's what makes all this so funny.
And I'll be the first to admit, I'm actually interested in looking more closely at that little sucker. I'd rather pocket that with my phone than an EOS M for simplicity. And that is NOT because of it's score. I was curious about it the day it was announced. But to tell me (effectively) that it's a better overall camera than my 5D3? I want some of what they smoke over there... What else do those scores represent??
That said, a DxO ONE getting a higher overall score than a 5D3 even with it's own admittedly substantially worse ISO performance (by it's own tested score metrics).... THAT is something to raise an eyebrow at. That's what makes all this so funny.
And I'll be the first to admit, I'm actually interested in looking more closely at that little sucker. I'd rather pocket that with my phone than an EOS M for simplicity. And that is NOT because of it's score. I was curious about it the day it was announced. But to tell me (effectively) that it's a better overall camera than my 5D3? I want some of what they smoke over there... What else do those scores represent??
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as expected, they are not really going anywhere fast. It was a rushed sensor pushed to just deliver the most pixels per unit area they could and they succeeded.
as expected, the fanboys will discredit DXO until such time as they publish a favorable outcome, then DXO will be all that matters.
as expected, real photographers will care little, and just use a tool for the job and move on. This is just a camera. Not a religion.
as expected, the fanboys will discredit DXO until such time as they publish a favorable outcome, then DXO will be all that matters.
as expected, real photographers will care little, and just use a tool for the job and move on. This is just a camera. Not a religion.
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PureClassA said:
Agreed. I don't follow DxO myself. But at least they are accepting that DxO ONE is scoring 70 with standard RAW vs 85 with SuperRAW in their shady testing system.
From DxO One FAQ:
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quod said:+1000 Yes Neuro, you're at the top of the list.msm said:PureClassA said:
What I find fun is how fanboys who "don't care" about DXO flock to these threads like flies on S___ with their ridiculous conspiracy theories
probably the best summary of this and other board's threads on DXO and canon.
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psolberg said:
Generally the criticism of the company's scores seems pretty well-supported (I've not used the website much, so I can only go on the web chatter). Can you address their points rather than labelling them all 'fanboys'?
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neuroanatomist said:
Many of so-called SoNikon fanboys have shot Canon longer than you.
Only thing that is the same old bad penny here is you.
Sure their overall scores are a bit 'interesting' but you full well known lots of individual numbrs are not based on bad science, biased or bovine scat, but like any political operative you handily toss everything together and obfuscate while portraying yourself as the bastion of clarity, straightforwardness and all.
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