5DS: Some Thoughts After Shooting w/ It Last Week

Jun 3, 2015
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I had the chance to shoot for a half day with the 5DS, recently. Since this was a pre-production model, be careful about making any sweeping judgments. I'm guessing that things might change in the final model that we all get.

The form factor feels like a 7DMII to me, which makes sense giving that they use the same BG-E11 battery grip. All the controls feel usable—nothing struck me as in a strange place or non-intuitive. Good solid stuff, and once you're used to the Canon way you'll adapt to this in just a few minutes.

As Canon creates so many branches in the product tree, it reminds me of what GM did with the Pontiac, Olds, Buick, Chevy, Saturn, etc. It's a little hard to find what separates them since they share so many characteristics. Some models share the same great focus. Others have integrated *** and some don't. If you want comments on all of the finer points, it'll be best to build a spreadsheet with all of the specs. So all I'm going to do here is tell you, in big strokes, how I think about this new model.

First, the extreme resolution will be nice, at times, but I haven't been yearning for a 50 MP camera. It will only be useful to me in landscape and macro work. There are no other amazing leaps to me other than the sensor density.

Second, the trade off is in the max frame rate of 5 fps. I just finished two days of shooting wildlife at 14 fps (RAW) with the 1DX, and 5 fps would not have cut it. (Don't worry about the slower transfer speeds when downloading from the card. It's not material in the scheme of things, though you'll definitely want to use at least USB 3.0. for your card reader.)

That resolution (the big pro) and that frame rate (the big con) are how I think you should frame your decision (sorry about that pun).

Now to some other points.

I like:

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[*]Processor speed.
[*]Focus matrix. Still amassing stuff.
[*]CF + SD. SD is so much more ubiquitous. E.g., built into Apple's MBPro line.
[*]How I can use so many other pieces of my EOS setup. I shudder (shutter?) to think of how much I've spent on accessories, and I like how Canon salvages our investments.
[/list]

I don't mind:

  • That it's not a ground-breaking video platform. I'm beginning to care less about having amassing still camera with amazing video camera. When you think about the capabilities and price of other SLRs in the Canon line, it takes the pressure off that.
  • That there's no built-in flash. I can't remember using a built-in flash on my other Canon SLRs.

Here's what would make this their new flagship, which it is not, and feel like a steal at $5,500 (vs. the current $3,900):

  • 12+ fps RAW.
  • Better light sensitivity at the high end. I'm almost embarrassed that we're topping out at 6,400 (12,800, expanded).
  • Wifi.
  • ***.
  • 4K video (mixed emotions on this one).
  • ISO to 51,200.

Yes, I did order one months ago and I'll keep it when it comes, but I am not as unabashedly excited about this model like I was the 1DsMkII or the 1DX or the 7DMkII. Each of those was revolutionary to me. This feels evolutionary. Its gaps also mean that I'll not be selling my 1D-X like I originally thought.

I've attached two pictures, here, to illustrate the camera's capabilities. The second is merely a crop of the first. Other than that crop, there was no editing done. This was shot at -1/3 EV, EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS II USM at 200mm at f/2.8 and 1/160 sec at ISO 800. I was sitting in a car, and this was handheld (not even resting on the windowsill). IS was set on Mode 1. Natural light. Circular polarizer affixed to lens. The original file size was 8,688 x 5,792 pixels (50.3 MP).

I'll like the camera and I'll be glad I bought it, but it's not the flagship replacement I have been waiting for.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/pzrz6dp45b6seoz/whole.jpg?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/s137aad0fp23uzu/whole.part.jpg?dl=0
 
Thank you for your posting. I do appreciate you efforts greatly. Unfortunately, I wouldn't be using this particular camera body for images such as your sample. I'm therefore not able to further my consideration at this point. Since I'm in no hurry, that's perfectly fine by me. Please post anything more you might feel would help us. I, for one, would be happy to see as many samples as possible.
 
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I was worried for a second there since one of my favourite new features on the 7D2 is that lever around the control stick and the BG-E11 definitely wouldn't have one.
As far as I've found the 7D2 only uses the BG-E16 battery grip, which apparently is one of the few sealed body grips and should be a bit better than the BG-E11.
The 7D2 was designed to feel like the 5D3 so it makes sense that the two could be confused.
 
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I think people may be too quick to dismiss the 5DS high ISO performance. One very interesting thing is that the Sony A72 seems to perform significantly worse at ISO 12800 (http://www.dpreview.com/previews/canon-eos-5ds-sr/5)
And even if you do get some extra chroma noise, it's still more readable than the D810 and the closest thing to the Pentax 645Z.
 
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9VIII said:
I think people may be too quick to dismiss the 5DS high ISO performance. One very interesting thing is that the Sony A72 seems to perform significantly worse at ISO 12800 (http://www.dpreview.com/previews/canon-eos-5ds-sr/5)
And even if you do get some extra chroma noise, it's still more readable than the D810 and the closest thing to the Pentax 645Z.

Thicker and heavier body approach is killing mirrorless purpose.
 
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9VIII said:
I was worried for a second there since one of my favourite new features on the 7D2 is that lever around the control stick and the BG-E11 definitely wouldn't have one.
As far as I've found the 7D2 only uses the BG-E16 battery grip, which apparently is one of the few sealed body grips and should be a bit better than the BG-E11.
The 7D2 was designed to feel like the 5D3 so it makes sense that the two could be confused.

Sorry about that--confused my grip numbers! Thanks for the correction.
 
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This is a camera that I think Canon could suffer from almost too mass marketing. In the right hands and for the right purposes, the camera will be a blessing and become the new king...until the rumored Sony 50+mp sensor Nikons and Sonys arrive. In the wrong hands, this camera will not live up to the hype. It's days are already numbered too, as it will only be the megapixel king for so long and, from everything I'm reading and hearing about reviews, it brings nothing revolutionary and groundbreaking to the table aside from resolution.

I shoot a lot a of magazine work, which makes up approximately 50-60% of my paid assignments. I used 18mp bodies and 20, 22mp bodies for years and years with no issues on the resolution front. But I then think about how many times I've shot something and wished to crop in and worried I'd get an email saying "do you have the original file of this?" or the infamous "please send the photo at 300dpi" and that's where this weapon would come in handy.

Still...this is seldom a problem. So then I think about the idea of shooting full resolution at weddings or events and down sample the image to a more manageable 16-20mp file I deliver to most clients. Then there's the product photography! I think that the insane resolution could only be a positive. Yeah, disc space is a problem, but seriously...a 2TB harddrive is well under $100 now. If there's noise at 1600-6400 ISO I have to think that aggressive noise reduction/sharpening and then resizing could cover nearly all of that up while retaining great detail.

In other words, I could possibly be who this camera was made for, so I'll be testing one out as soon as I can. If it works for me, then I'll get it. if it doesn't, I keep waiting for 5D4 or adding the 100-400 MkII to my shopping cart and deleting it after a day of thinking. LOL
 
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LSXPhotog said:
This is a camera that I think Canon could suffer from almost too mass marketing.

At £3,000 I don't think that will be a problem!

Outside the studio and landscape arena its cost / benefit ratio is far too low.

1. I have colleagues who make good money shooting airshows through the Summer season and they don't even care that there is an entire range of Canon full-frame cameras, crops are their money-makers. So the 5DS is irrelevant to them.

2. Wildlifers who can't fill the frame at 1200mm won't want to pay that mooney just to add another 20 MP of sky to their processing workflow

3. Even Gordon Geckos who bought the original 5D to keep in the BMW X5 isn't likely to spend that much money on a camera for his kids' sports days. Not when they can buy a 'Hasselblad' for $1600!



I do agree that its life expectancy is short, given that all it brings is megapixels.
 
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