I am new to DSLR's and will be traveling to Europe for a little over a month (leaving June 10th). I am pretty set on the XXD line, but would be interested in other suggestions. I was rather hopeful of the April 23rd announcement date, but now that has come and gone and no 70D. So do you guys 1) think the 70d bill be released before I leave? Or 2) think I should go for the 60D, or another suggestion.
70d out in time?
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Even if it is announced as soon as next week, I doubt that it will be available in market by June 10th.
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Snook said:
I use a 550D, which reportedly has slightly better sensor performance than the 7D (see BJP review). The 7D came out first and the 550D and 60D afterwards, so I'd expect the 60D to be similar to the 550D. But if you go to the review of the 60D at DPReview, the section on noise, you can use the little drop-down things to facilitate a direct comparison between all sorts of cameras. Also try DxO Mark. The 550D actually gets a better score than the more recent rebels.
However as pointed out repeatedly on these forums the 7D, 550D, 600D, 650D, 700D, 100D and EOS-M all have pretty much the same sensor and it is probably splitting hairs between them in terms of noise, the differences are more in ergonomics, price, build, fps, configurability, viewfinder etc etc.
Do you anticipate doing other types of shooting (eg sports / nature) in the future apart from just travel? If you don't mind the bulk of a DSLR &/or prefer the broad choice of lenses then that's ok, otherwise consider other small-camera options like the Olympus OM-D, Fuji X100S, Sony RX100, etc etc. But if you really are set on a Canon DSLR and I was in your position I would probably buy either a new 650D or 60D or a 2nd hand 550D, 600D or 60D, use it for your trip and then decide what you want to do when the 70D is released (i.e. probably sell it). It will be cheaper than renting, much better than having no camera at all, you won't lose much money and you'll get a bit of a feel for what you like and don't like about the camera. Good luck!
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How much cash do you have to spend? Low light performance won't improve dramatically until you get to a 5D mkii or a 6D.
I suspect that the 70D will be around $1100 for the body and maybe $1400 with a 18-135mm STM. And you won't find a lower price on it for a few months... Christmas time.
You can get a 5D mkii for around $1400 (refurbished), so for a $300, that is a SIGNIFICANT UPGRADE.
As an FYI, I recently sold a new 60D via Craig's List for $600. I do not believe the 70D will be a $500 upgrade.
I suspect that the 70D will be around $1100 for the body and maybe $1400 with a 18-135mm STM. And you won't find a lower price on it for a few months... Christmas time.
You can get a 5D mkii for around $1400 (refurbished), so for a $300, that is a SIGNIFICANT UPGRADE.
As an FYI, I recently sold a new 60D via Craig's List for $600. I do not believe the 70D will be a $500 upgrade.
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I am set on going Canon, I actually have already owned a 60D, but returned it when I found out the 70D was imminent. So I actually already own a 50mm 1.8 and Tamron 18-270 VC PZD, as well as some accessories (intervalometer, extra LP-E6, SD Cards...etc)
During my time owning the 60D, I mostly shot landscape/sunset and night street photography. I also will be assisting my sister in shooting a Wedding as well, it will be a nice to get my feet wet into wedding photography.
The amount that I want to spend is tentatively $2000, but I could see myself selling the Tamron, and forking up a little bit more to get a 6D w/ 24-105mm f/4 IS, but then again, I don't know if I could justify the price for essentially a "first-time" DSLR. The GPS feature will be great for traveling being that I will be in 7 different countries while I am in Europe.
During my time owning the 60D, I mostly shot landscape/sunset and night street photography. I also will be assisting my sister in shooting a Wedding as well, it will be a nice to get my feet wet into wedding photography.
The amount that I want to spend is tentatively $2000, but I could see myself selling the Tamron, and forking up a little bit more to get a 6D w/ 24-105mm f/4 IS, but then again, I don't know if I could justify the price for essentially a "first-time" DSLR. The GPS feature will be great for traveling being that I will be in 7 different countries while I am in Europe.
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Snook said:
this is the best option in my opinion
the tamron 18-270 is possibly one of the very worst lenses ever made by anyone
even though you have the 50 1.8 I would still recomend the 40mm pancake on the 6D just because that lens on a high iso FF camera is such a nice light walk around combo that would be prefectly suited for travel and 50mm can be a little tight also you need to stop the 50mm 1.8 down to around 2.2 anyway
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6D with 24-105 for around $2399.88 with rebate. F4 zoom is not optimum set up. You would have to learn your 50mm 1.8 very quickly for low light wedding photos. Then save for 70-200 F2.8 IS ll. As you already have SD cards, 6D is what you should research and possibly buy. Research what Cameras are in shops now, not wait for rumours to appear.
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Same sensor. Very little difference in performance. Plus, if you could afford a 7D, you should spare a little cash as used 5D mark II's tend to be very lowly priced nowadays.Snook said:
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Snook said:
As said before, the 70D won't be out in time.
I suggest you go for the 60D, there are some quite amazing deals out there for this camera. At my local electronics discounter they almost throw it at you, it's so cheap. The 7D is quite a bit bigger and heavier, not something you usually like for travelling, and its a bit more complex to understand and work with. The xxxD series is okay, but it lacks some nice feature (second LCD on top, bigger viewfinder). So the 60D is nice.
Normaly you get a more or less nice lens with the discount 60D package. First choice would be the 15-85, but usually it sells with the 18-135 which is quite okay for travelling, and a step up from the Tamron soupzoom. There is still some money left from you budget, I would suggest you buy a wide angle for that; Canon EF-S 10-22mm or Sigma 8-16mm are good options.
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BrandonKing96 said:
yeah well.. if someone wants a 7D he will maybe not be happy with a 5D MK2.
you know the 5D MK2 is not exactly a sports camera or famous for it´s great AF system or speed.
but for the OT, as a travel camera, the 5D MK2 will be a nice camera.
thought i would not buy one new.
the price difference between the 6D and the 5D MK2 is non-existent here.
having both, i can say the 6D is the better camera.
we can argue how much of an improvement the 6D is.
canon could sure have implemented a better AF in the 6D... but it is an improvement (except for x-sync and shutter speed).
so for the same price (~80 euro difference here) i would always buy the 6D.
i don´t think the 70D will be out before august.
there is just a cashback action starting in germany for the 60D that will last a month.
so it´s unlikely canon will release a 70D anytime soon.
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Actually, if I were in your position with minimal investment in lenses, I'd go for the Olympus OM-D with Panasonic Leica 25mm f/1.4 lens, plus one of the longer zooms.
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60D is just fine for those purposes, though obviously for night stuff a 5dii/6d would be nicer. But, as you can see right away, its hard to find cheap glass for full-frame, so, you'll spend $1500 on the body and another few thousand on lenses. Adds up fast.Snook said:
Well, a 60D is pretty dirt cheap at this point, seen them in the $5-600 range fairly frequently. So, that leaves you $1500 for glass. If you do a lot of travel, the 15-85 would combo nicely with that as your kit lens. And then a few primes (85mm/100mm and probably something wider, maybe 24 or 28mm) and you'd have a decently well rounded kit. The primes would work for street/night photography, 15-85 gives you some landscape flexibility. And for weddings you'd be covered indoors and outdoors for assisting.
And if you eventually decide to go full-frame, all the primes would still work. And the 15-85 holds its value fairly well.
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Snook said:
I too shoot Canon and I love my 60D with the 18-200mm. Now -- Canon shooters/lovers avert your eyes.... I like my D7100 with the 18-200 just a little better and you can get lens and camera for $1800 usd. If you had enough for a an external flash you could use commander mode for off-camera flash when possible (diffuser like Gary Fong collapsible Light Sphere good for travelling) would be good for the wedding since the lens is not low light. Perhaps adding a 50mm 1.8 would be a cheap low-light alternative to the external flash.
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