7DII No Wifi

[Don Haines]

But, back on topic. I think we are not far away from the day when most brides will expect that the picture of them walking down the aisle will be posted to Facebook before the ceremony ends.

Too late! There are already requests for live streaming video.......

 

[kdsand]

Blaming the shell for no WiFi is simply a blatant attempt at excusing their crippling the camera. No wireless flash control alone should have ppl up in arms.
WiFi is now a basic feature & cost very little to incorporate. ppl excusing is ridiculous. We ready have WiFi & NFC in every every thing from your phone, car, watches & rings. Heck even your house front door can be opened with NFC.

I am planning on buying mkII but no WiFi will really affect me. If I expect to use it 3+ years I can't help but believe the lack will become even more pronounced.

I just don't understand why ppl justify this for Canon. Wonder if anyone will be disappointed if there's no built in electronic level or timer. Heck do we really need to review our pics in camera? No get rid of that crutch its for wimps!

BTW I hate Facebook & don't use it. Posting to social media... Who knows maybe I'll have the need next year & pay Canon that extra $800 for WiFi add on.

 

[Don Haines]

For me, I have no interest in WiFi for streaming images off to the internet. Most of my photography is done outdoors and very little of it is done in Wifi range of anything... probably a quarter of it is done outside cell phone range....

What I was interested in, was the ability to remote control the camera. That will be missed... and no WiFi SD card is going to give me those abilities.

 

[privatebydesign]

Blaming the shell for no WiFi is simply a blatant attempt at excusing their crippling the camera. No wireless flash control alone should have ppl up in arms.
WiFi is now a basic feature & cost very little to incorporate. ppl excusing is ridiculous. We ready have WiFi & NFC in every every thing from your phone, car, watches & rings. Heck even your house front door can be opened with NFC.

It does have wireless flash control, optical wireless flash control. It does not have radio wireless flash control.

 

[Skirball]

For me, I have no interest in WiFi for streaming images off to the internet. Most of my photography is done outdoors and very little of it is done in Wifi range of anything... probably a quarter of it is done outside cell phone range....

What I was interested in, was the ability to remote control the camera. That will be missed... and no WiFi SD card is going to give me those abilities.

I think that was the point right from the first post in this thread. I don't think anybody uses it to post to Facebook. But controlling the camera and reviewing on a large screen are big pluses to WiFi.

What really gets me is that all the technology is there to incorporate off-camera flash triggering and controlling; but there's no sign of it yet. Being able to walk around with an iPad and set all my lighting and camera controls, trigger, and review, would be fantastic.

 

[eml58]

For me, I have no interest in WiFi for streaming images off to the internet. Most of my photography is done outdoors and very little of it is done in Wifi range of anything... probably a quarter of it is done outside cell phone range....

What I was interested in, was the ability to remote control the camera. That will be missed... and no WiFi SD card is going to give me those abilities.

My situation exactly, it's a pity that Canon don't get with the programme, WiFi isn't some new & unknown tech, it's been around for a long while now, Canon seems generally to have gone down the path of least resistance, add on at a reasonably large cost, pity.

I've tried a few work arounds, the only one that I absolutely recommend is the CamRanger, this system via my iPad Mini simply doesn't leave the bag, since buying the CamRanger I've just adapted it to pull those Images that are exceptionally hard to get any other way, great system, works great on the Canon 1Dx & 5DMK III also the 1DMK IV & 5DMK II, as far as I know works on just about anything.

http://camranger.com

The attached Image I'de tried on a number of occasions using different systems, monopod down low etc, but the vehicle scares the Wildlife so the shots are difficult.

With the attached Image I set the 1Dx + 300f/2.8 II on the RRS small Metal Tripod to get the Camera down Low, attached to the CamRanger, in the middle of the Track, drove off 100 meters behind some bush, monitored via my iPad Mini in the vehicle, adjusted Focus via the iPad Mini, shot the Image via the iPad mini/CamRanger as the Mum & Cubs approached the "strange looking" object in the middle of the path.

The Image isn't anything wonderful, but I just like it as all the Animals have that look of being intrigued, although Mum did have a constant frown & look of suspicion. Difficult to get this sort of Image from a Vehicle, not impossible, but the CamRanger opens up new avenues for Imaging that had been almost impossible before.

Only real issue I've found with this method is shooting Lions, they tend to eat the Camera, not good.

 

[privatebydesign]

For me, I have no interest in WiFi for streaming images off to the internet. Most of my photography is done outdoors and very little of it is done in Wifi range of anything... probably a quarter of it is done outside cell phone range....

What I was interested in, was the ability to remote control the camera. That will be missed... and no WiFi SD card is going to give me those abilities.

My situation exactly, it's a pity that Canon don't get with the programme, WiFi isn't some new & unknown tech, it's been around for a long while now, Canon seems generally to have gone down the path of least resistance, add on at a reasonably large cost, pity.

I've tried a few work arounds, the only one that I absolutely recommend is the CamRanger, this system via my iPad Mini simply doesn't leave the bag, since buying the CamRanger I've just adapted it to pull those Images that are exceptionally hard to get any other way, great system, works great on the Canon 1Dx & 5DMK III also the 1DMK IV & 5DMK II, as far as I know works on just about anything.

http://camranger.com

The attached Image I'de tried on a number of occasions using different systems, monopod down low etc, but the vehicle scares the Wildlife so the shots are difficult.

With the attached Image I set the 1Dx + 300f/2.8 II on the RRS small Metal Tripod to get the Camera down Low, attached to the CamRanger, in the middle of the Track, drove off 100 meters behind some bush, monitored via my iPad Mini in the vehicle, adjusted Focus via the iPad Mini, shot the Image via the iPad mini/CamRanger as the Mum & Cubs approached the "strange looking" object in the middle of the path.

The Image isn't anything wonderful, but I just like it as all the Animals have that look of being intrigued, although Mum did have a constant frown & look of suspicion. Difficult to get this sort of Image from a Vehicle, not impossible, but the CamRanger opens up new avenues for Imaging that had been almost impossible before.

Edward,

Have you tried the WFT-E6? I ask because I really like the one on my 1Ds MkIII's and the newer versions have much more functionality.

If so how does the CamRanger compare?

 

[Ruined]

I would buy the wireless addon despite the expense... IF Canon got their act together on the software side.

While the iPhone app is decent...

-There is no Windows phone/Lumia app at all. (i.e. for Lumia 1020 - best photography smartphone that exists)
-The desktop PC version is an all around mess with very obvious spaghetti code
-There is no Windows 8 Touch app (i.e. for Surface and windows tablets) at all
-I heard the Android version needs work too, but I have no experience with it.

Either way, Canon's needs to spend some real money on software development before they get me to buy an addon like that.

 

[privatebydesign]

I would buy the wireless addon despite the expense... IF Canon got their act together on the software side.

While the iPhone app is decent...

-There is no Windows phone/Lumia app at all. (i.e. for Lumia 1020 - best photography smartphone that exists)
-The desktop PC version is an all around mess with very obvious spaghetti code
-There is no Windows 8 Touch app (i.e. for Surface and windows tablets) at all
-I heard the Android version needs work too, but I have no experience with it.

Either way, Canon's needs to spend some real money on software development before they get me to buy an addon like that.

You don't use the WFT's via the App, you use the WFT via several modes though I have found the best to be the HTTP mode, it works on everything that runs a browser, it gives much greater control and just works.

 

[wellfedCanuck]

For me, I have no interest in WiFi for streaming images off to the internet. Most of my photography is done outdoors and very little of it is done in Wifi range of anything... probably a quarter of it is done outside cell phone range....

What I was interested in, was the ability to remote control the camera. That will be missed... and no WiFi SD card is going to give me those abilities.

With the attached Image I set the 1Dx + 300f/2.8 II on the RRS small Metal Tripod to get the Camera down Low, attached to the CamRanger, in the middle of the Track, drove off 100 meters behind some bush, monitored via my iPad Mini in the vehicle, adjusted Focus via the iPad Mini, shot the Image via the iPad mini/CamRanger as the Mum & Cubs approached the "strange looking" object in the middle of the path.

The Image isn't anything wonderful, but I just like it as all the Animals have that look of being intrigued, although Mum did have a constant frown & look of suspicion. Difficult to get this sort of Image from a Vehicle, not impossible, but the CamRanger opens up new avenues for Imaging that had been almost impossible before.

Only real issue I've found with this method is shooting Lions, they tend to eat the Camera, not good.

This works well with people, too. With street photography people almost always notice a big lens pointed in their direction if it has an operator standing behind it. Place that lens and camera on a table and look away towards your phone and you can achieve some interesting candid shots.

 

[dgatwood]

For those who aren't aware, I read that Canon was not able to integrate Wi-Fi because the magnesium alloy chassis (as opposed to plastic on 70D) causes too much interference with the signal. They had to decide between durability and features. Though Wi-Fi would have been nice, there's still IR shooting and tethered USB...which works well enough for me.

Funny, it always worked fine in all-metal MacBook Pro laptops. So what you're really saying is that Canon isn't as good at designing hardware today as Apple was a decade ago.... I don't think I buy that argument.

Besides, an amazingly strong GPS signal is about -115 dBm. A Wi-Fi signal won't stay connected below about -70 dBm. That's a 45 dB difference, meaning that a GPS signal has less than one ten-thousandth the power of a Wi-Fi signal. If they can deal with GPS-level signals, then they could take their antenna team, get them completely wasted, and still pull off Wi-Fi.

I think that was the point right from the first post in this thread. I don't think anybody uses it to post to Facebook.

I use it for posting to Facebook all the time when I'm traveling. In-body Wi-Fi means I don't have to carry any extra gear with me besides my phone and my camera. No attachment could ever provide that same ease of use.

 

[PureClassA]

Amazon.com Wifi SD Cards $40-50, Yongnuo Wireless flash Transceivers (a pair) $35. Love my yongnuo triggers. Buying Wifi Card. I own a 6D and the internal Wifi isn't all that great. In a Magnesium body? Probably worse.

 

[eml58]

Edward,

Have you tried the WFT-E6? I ask because I really like the one on my 1Ds MkIII's and the newer versions have much more functionality.

If so how does the CamRanger compare?

Hi Private, I do have the WFT-E6, but since purchasing the Camranger never use it, the CamRanger does everything the E6 does then leaves it behind, the thing i like most on the Camranger is the ability to focus via the iPad, the Camranger app just works very well.

Canon sell the E6 for almost $700 bucks the CamRanger sells for $300 & cleans the clock on compared usability.

 

[nonac]

Edward,

Have you tried the WFT-E6? I ask because I really like the one on my 1Ds MkIII's and the newer versions have much more functionality.

If so how does the CamRanger compare?

Hi Private, I do have the WFT-E6, but since purchasing the Camranger never use it, the CamRanger does everything the E6 does then leaves it behind, the thing i like most on the Camranger is the ability to focus via the iPad, the Camranger app just works very well.

Canon sell the E6 for almost $700 bucks the CamRanger sells for $300 & cleans the clock on compared usability.

+1 on the CamRanger. I really like using it. I just recently bought a strapped case for my ipad for easier mobility while shooting high school football from the sidelines. I can quickly view the pics on the much larger screen moments after shooting them.

 

[yeahright]

is there any chance of Canon releasing a battery-and-wifi-grip once they notice that the omission of wifi from the 7Dii was not such a good idea after all?

 

[RickWagoner]

Blaming the shell for no WiFi is simply a blatant attempt at excusing their crippling the camera. No wireless flash control alone should have ppl up in arms.
WiFi is now a basic feature & cost very little to incorporate. ppl excusing is ridiculous. We ready have WiFi & NFC in every every thing from your phone, car, watches & rings. Heck even your house front door can be opened with NFC.

I am planning on buying mkII but no WiFi will really affect me. If I expect to use it 3+ years I can't help but believe the lack will become even more pronounced.

I just don't understand why ppl justify this for Canon. Wonder if anyone will be disappointed if there's no built in electronic level or timer. Heck do we really need to review our pics in camera? No get rid of that crutch its for wimps!

BTW I hate Facebook & don't use it. Posting to social media... Who knows maybe I'll have the need next year & pay Canon that extra $800 for WiFi add on.

Samsung is doing wifi with the MAg body so is Panny with the GH4.

Canon put a lot of thought into the GPS, you can clearly see there has been years of work behind the GPS inside 7Dii. I don't think so much Canon is milking people into buying something else as a add on.

I think it was a bad call years back.

Years back there was a huge GPS surge in Cameras, think 2010-12. Companies had R&D teams all over it and the market was betting this was going to stick around as a must have piece. Markets do this all the time, look at the 3D tv burst years back, all those companies put big work into the bet the 3D tv was the piece the market was going to want. As you can tell today 3D tvs in stores are old design just coming the shelves and you may also tell the 3D fizzled for now. We know they been working on it for years, the GPS is that well built into the camera, this means they made the bet when everyone else was with GPS it's just that it fizzled off a bit since then. But it may not be dead today because I am seeing lots of companies putting GPS back into their R&D budgets so who knows about that.

Back to WIFI..
YEars back around the time GPS was a bet of the future companies also faced the question if WIFI will be the way of the future. It was not until the last year or so WIFI in Cameras have been so requested and in demand. Back in 2010ish not many people had iPhones or iPads as they do today and don't even look back to see where Android was..it was not even worth making a app for that platform then it was so crap.

Canon made the wrong call years back of investing into gps instead of WIFI, but who knows maybe GPS will get an upswing and WIFI will go down.

 

[FEBS]

Dare I say it, I'm pretty disappointed that there is no Wifi in the 7DII.

I've got a 70D and have never posted a picture to Facebook, Instagram or Twitter, but have had great results using the Canon App to control the camera wirelessly to get up close and personal to wildlife with some great results, and then connecting to my iPad afterwards in the pub to view my shots on a decent sized screen.

I think Canon have missed an important trend here.

Consequently, i can't think of one occasion where GPS would have been of any use to me at all.

Am I missing the point?

I don't know of course what you are mostly shooting.
For myself, I'm very happy this camera has GPS and no Wifi. Don't understand me wrong, it might have wifi, but it must be possible to fully disable this function.

In action photography speed is very important. So I don't need any wifi connection at that moment. I won't do any studio work with this camera, as I use for that reason my 5D3. Also the power consumption is important for action shooting. With my 7D, I regular needed 3 batteries for one day. If the wifi would then even drain some more power, then this is not acceptable for me. And just as cell phones, wifi and bluethooth are big power consumers. Also I wouldn't want to wait on my camera as he is still busy sending files over the wifi connection.

For most of my photos I do add the GPS location by a GP-E2.

For these reason, I think Canon created a correct camera with a very impressive specification, for the action, wildlife and sport shooters. I'm very sure those people will not miss directly the wifi connection. If you see this camera as your only camera then I can understand your remark, but as mentioned before this camera has a real close focus on his usergroup.

 

[Skirball]

Amazon.com Wifi SD Cards $40-50, Yongnuo Wireless flash Transceivers (a pair) $35. Love my yongnuo triggers. Buying Wifi Card. I own a 6D and the internal Wifi isn't all that great. In a Magnesium body? Probably worse.

You think an EyeFi card is going to perform better than the 6Ds internal WiFi?

 

[123Photog]

Amazon.com Wifi SD Cards $40-50, Yongnuo Wireless flash Transceivers (a pair) $35. Love my yongnuo triggers. Buying Wifi Card. I own a 6D and the internal Wifi isn't all that great. In a Magnesium body? Probably worse.

i have cameras that have great wifi functionality.

and there is something called antennas.
and no they don´t have to stick out of the body.

the magnesium body excuse is just nonsense.

 

[Skirball]

I think that was the point right from the first post in this thread. I don't think anybody uses it to post to Facebook.

I use it for posting to Facebook all the time when I'm traveling. In-body Wi-Fi means I don't have to carry any extra gear with me besides my phone and my camera. No attachment could ever provide that same ease of use.

Everybody has their own style. If I'm not going to post process I'm not taking my 6D anyway. I'll use a point and shoot. Or, more likely, my phone.