7DM2 as a FF? Hmmm...

[beckstoy]

What do you guys think of this rumor? I'd only heard rumors before, but thought I'd throw it out into the CR forums to see what you guys all think. Up until now, 7D has been thought of as the flagship for crop sensors. However, is the 70D the new flag-bearer with big changes to come in the FF lineup?

Here's a link to the CanonWatch site where it's discussed:

http://www.canonwatch.com/rumor-eos-70d-will-be-top-of-aps-c-line-up-eos-7d-mark-ii-will-be-entry-level-full-frame/

 

[Loswr]

Right, because we need another 'entry-level full frame' to accompany the 6D. :

 

[RGF]

Sure and the next 1Dx will have a 1.3 crop sensor.

Best to believe everything you read on the internet - in which case please send $1,000 to ...

 

[DRR]

Here is what I think, pure speculation ;D

7D Mark II will be the flagship APS-C camera, but will come in a 1D style body.

That way you have

Rebel -> 70D -> 7DII for crop

Just as you have

6D -> 5DIII -> 1DX for FF.

Again this is pure speculation, especially since I don't believe Canon has put anything aside from EOS-1 or 1D series in the larger body, but it would certainly seem to work. At that point the differentiation between 70D and 7DII is not feature set (AF, ISO, wifi, touchscreen, etc) but rather the larger differentiation is that the 7DII will be tougher - more weather sealed, takes more pro abuse, more bits would be mag-alloy, etc.

 

[beckstoy]

Sure and the next 1Dx will have a 1.3 crop sensor.

Best to believe everything you read on the internet - in which case please send $1,000 to ...

hurry...what's that address? I've got the check written right here...

 

[photo212]

Canon might release yet another entry-to-mid level full frame APS sensor camera, but I doubt it will be named 7D MkII. From a marketing standpoint it makes little sense to have confusion using the 'Mark' designation for something so different.

I do hope Canon realizes the advantage some have with cropped sensors and continues to produce magnesium alloy bodies with weather sealing. Sports and wildlife photographers require something quite durable. And the cropped sensor fits the need nicely.

I really do not believe the 60D or 70D achieves the same role as what the 7D or a real 7D MkII might.

 

[digitalride]

If we're just going to make wild speculations, I think a 40mp crop is more likely than FF - using the new 70d sensor but with the dual-pixels read separately.

 

[lol]

Note the date on the linked rumour - it's from over a year ago! Far before the 6D existed, and you could say the current 6D fits in where they describe the 7D mk2.

I've asked before, and I'll ask again - has there been any precedent for Canon to change sensor size within a model series? I can't see any successor to the 7D name being anything other than APS-C. If they change the sensor, they change the name too. On the "1D style body" noises, same question. Have they ever done radical changes in body size/shape within a series? Ok, the 60D may be slimmed down a little from the 50D and earlier, but that's in another direction.

To me, I find it hard to believe whatever will be called a 7D mk2 to be anything other than a normal body (non 1D style) with APS-C sensor. If they do make something that different, it will be called something else and not be a 7D any more! Have the mythical 3D for example.

 

[Daniel Flather]

I heard aboot a mash-up between Canon and Sinar for the new 100*100mm sensor mini-view camera that uses the new EF-LF mount!

 

[Daniel Flather]

Right, because we need another 'entry-level full frame' to accompany the 6D. :

That would be the elusive 6.5D, right?

 

[Jay Khaos]

I just hope it comes with Siri and ability to steam movies/shows and play apps

 

[AmbientLight]

I just hope it comes with Siri and ability to steam movies/shows and play apps

Did you refer to this one?
http://www.tripadvisor.com/LocationPhotoDirectLink-g33340-i42044501-Canon_City_Colorado.html

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

What do you guys think of this rumor? I'd only heard rumors before, but thought I'd throw it out into the CR forums to see what you guys all think. Up until now, 7D has been thought of as the flagship for crop sensors. However, is the 70D the new flag-bearer with big changes to come in the FF lineup?

Here's a link to the CanonWatch site where it's discussed:

http://www.canonwatch.com/rumor-eos-70d-will-be-top-of-aps-c-line-up-eos-7d-mark-ii-will-be-entry-level-full-frame/

Without even reading that, that is ridiculous.

The whole point of 7D series was to get maximum reach for wildlife/sports along with max fps and great AF (although the 7D is, honestly, much more xxD than 1 series, with the 7D2 I think that will change and they will give it basically 5D3 AF) in a compact and relatively less expensive (compared to 1 series) package.

They already have an entry level FF with 6D too.

What good would 7D2 becoming entry-level FF be? They lose the entire huge 7D market and kill off the 6D market for what purpose?

OK, let me read it now just to see though.

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

OK, let me read it now just to see though.

OK, having the read the rumor. I see that it actually was in all but one way correct but I also see that it is from 2012!! I think the source was good as the 70D turned out EXACTLY as he predicted. As well, Canon DID introduce a new FF entry-level model. The only thing is the source made a mistake calling it the 7D2 and reading too much into the upmarketing of the 70D and guessing wrong about the 7 series line. So he was wrong about what they did with the 7 series line but correct about everything in that 70D is EXACTLY as he predicted and the 6D did arrive as well.

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

Right, because we need another 'entry-level full frame' to accompany the 6D. :

Rumor was from early 2012!

So it actually was correct then other than he read too much into the xxD series being bumped up and decided to guess that the entry level FF would be called 7D2. But exactly as predicted Canon has released a much boosted up 70D and they also released an entry level FF the 6D.

 

[Snaps]

Here is what I think, pure speculation ;D

7D Mark II will be the flagship APS-C camera, but will come in a 1D style body.

That way you have

Rebel -> 70D -> 7DII for crop

Just as you have

6D -> 5DIII -> 1DX for FF.

Again this is pure speculation, especially since I don't believe Canon has put anything aside from EOS-1 or 1D series in the larger body, but it would certainly seem to work. At that point the differentiation between 70D and 7DII is not feature set (AF, ISO, wifi, touchscreen, etc) but rather the larger differentiation is that the 7DII will be tougher - more weather sealed, takes more pro abuse, more bits would be mag-alloy, etc.

That may be pure speculation, but it makes perfect sense really. You have your entry-level, prosumer, and professional line of cameras in both APS-C, and FF formats. And with the introduction of the 6D, it presents three tiers of cameras for Crop, and Full Frame. It used to be you had your 1D (which was actually 1.3x crop unless you had the 1Ds), 5D, Rebel, and xxD, but now you have the 6D, which is more like the Rebel of the Full Frame. And of course there's the 7D which is more or less the 1D of the Crops.

Today, the 1D line is no longer segregated between the 1.3x Crop and FF with the 1D X merging them. It could be that Canon wants to simplify everything and so you create three tiers for the 1.6x crop and FF.


As far as this rumor is concerned, I just don't see it happening. In fact, I think the 7D MKII would have a better chance of becoming APS-H than FF.

 

[DRR]

Note the date on the linked rumour - it's from over a year ago! Far before the 6D existed, and you could say the current 6D fits in where they describe the 7D mk2.

I've asked before, and I'll ask again - has there been any precedent for Canon to change sensor size within a model series? I can't see any successor to the 7D name being anything other than APS-C. If they change the sensor, they change the name too. On the "1D style body" noises, same question. Have they ever done radical changes in body size/shape within a series? Ok, the 60D may be slimmed down a little from the 50D and earlier, but that's in another direction.

To me, I find it hard to believe whatever will be called a 7D mk2 to be anything other than a normal body (non 1D style) with APS-C sensor. If they do make something that different, it will be called something else and not be a 7D any more! Have the mythical 3D for example.

It depends on how you view the 1DX. If it's a successor to the 1D Mk 4, it's a change in sensor size. If it's a successor to the 1Ds Mk 3, it's not... waters are murky here.

Sometimes I think Canon is not even sure themselves - like having the G15 and G1X as separate lines? No way to say for sure. It seems that consumers care more about what cameras are called than Canon does.

 

[AprilForever]

What do you guys think of this rumor? I'd only heard rumors before, but thought I'd throw it out into the CR forums to see what you guys all think. Up until now, 7D has been thought of as the flagship for crop sensors. However, is the 70D the new flag-bearer with big changes to come in the FF lineup?

Here's a link to the CanonWatch site where it's discussed:

http://www.canonwatch.com/rumor-eos-70d-will-be-top-of-aps-c-line-up-eos-7d-mark-ii-will-be-entry-level-full-frame/

Absolutely no! It would make no sense lineup wise, and it would kill the 7D. A FF camera what shoots 8FPS or better? That's pretty much a 1DX, and it would be priced accordingly. I don't want FF. I have a 5d MK II which I use for landscape. The 7D does everything else, including ceremonies. FF introduces piles upon piles of problems crop sensors eliminate. Once, fil was 4 inches by 5. Then, the pro idea was 35mm. It makes sense for a lot of reasons for the 7D to be a 1.6 crop!!! A lot of pros I have read about are using 2x crop cameras for a lot of uses!

 

[Videoshooter]

I'm curious to know, who thinks the 70D actually is a move upward in the Canon line-up as this rumor says? Personally I think it sits exactly where you would expect an upgrade to sit after three years. It does seem a little skewed though right now when compared to the even older 7D, but the 70D certainly does not move up to occupy the space the 7D - or even the 50D - used to occupy.

Regarding the 7D2 FF rumor, I think it's rubbish - looking at the date the rumor was likely some crossed wires regarding the 6D before it's announcement. Even before the 6D rumors though, it seems ridiculous to think the 7D would've been a FF, without dumbing it down significantly to the point it would no longer resemble a 7D. Can you imagine if instead of the 6D they had released a FF camera with build quality to rival the 5dmkIII, similarly professional features, which shoots at 8fps, and which costs less than the mkIII?

 

[Snaps]

I'm curious to know, who thinks the 70D actually is a move upward in the Canon line-up as this rumor says? Personally I think it sits exactly where you would expect an upgrade to sit after three years. It does seem a little skewed though right now when compared to the even older 7D, but the 70D certainly does not move up to occupy the space the 7D - or even the 50D - used to occupy.

I think the 70D is a HUGE step up compared to the 60D. I mean, when the entry level Rebel T5i has pretty much the same burst rate as the 60D, you know things need updating. And if we're talking burst rates, the 70D is the first time since the 40D that the rate has gone above it (7fps vs 6.5fps). There's also the brand new 20.2MP sensor, Digic 5+ processor, Wi-Fi, articulating screen, 7D AF system, AFMA, 12800 native ISO, etc. The 70D is a much needed upgrade for the mid-tier crop cameras.

Now the 70D still has a couple things the 7D does better, such as burst rate and buffer, magnesium body, better weather sealing, 100% VF coverage, and maybe a couple other things, but for the most part the 70D beats the 7D.

What I think this means is the 7D MK2 will be something quite special, and as another poster pointed out, the APS-C version of the 1D X. The 70D you could argue as the APS-C version of the 5D MK3.