80D or 6D?

Hi Cory,

I own a 6D and I've just recently done some casual testing of the new 80D - looking specifically at base ISO processing latitude and ISO noise.

I’ve looked at the links you’ve provided – you seem to shoot a bit of everything. For your purposes - base ISO picture quality between the two could probably be described as much of a muchness.

But - if it matters to you - base ISO processing latitude is a different prospect - the 80D is clearly superior, producing files that are a lot more malleable in all the ways cameras with superior dynamic range are normally described. In short - generally more tolerant of the usual (or occasionally extreme) processing workflows.

The 6D – although improved over older Canon bodies - can't really compete on a level playing field in this regard. As an older generation, “pre on sensor ADC” design it will and does introduce undesirable artefacts under comparable shadow or exposure lifting.

In terms of high ISO’s - the perceived advantage of the bigger sensor might be smaller than you think in this particular case – my own testing suggests this new APS-C device is pretty damn good – I could see shots at ISO 12800 still working at reasonable print/viewing sizes. So unless you “lived” at high ISO I’d consider the 80D more than up to the task.

So to re-cap: Looking at your work it's hard to see a distinct "requirement" for one over the other – but by any reasonable measure the 80D would be the more capable all round body with negligible image quality differences at base ISO which is what you’ve specifically asked about – but again do note the significant nod to the 80D in terms of processing latitude.

That said once this new technology makes its way into the next iterations of the 5 & 6D bodies the above comments will likely no longer apply. Until then – if I was buying one today – I’d probably get a 80D.
 
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the new 80d appears to be a big step forward in iq for canon crop cameras. the only thing the 6d would have over the 80d is the super shallow dof if that's what you are after. everything else the 80d is as good or better so i would go with the 80d as a primary camera.
 
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squarepants said:
Hi Cory,

I own a 6D and I've just recently done some casual testing of the new 80D - looking specifically at base ISO processing latitude and ISO noise.

I’ve looked at the links you’ve provided – you seem to shoot a bit of everything. For your purposes - base ISO picture quality between the two could probably be described as much of a muchness.

But - if it matters to you - base ISO processing latitude is a different prospect - the 80D is clearly superior, producing files that are a lot more malleable in all the ways cameras with superior dynamic range are normally described. In short - generally more tolerant of the usual (or occasionally extreme) processing workflows.

The 6D – although improved over older Canon bodies - can't really compete on a level playing field in this regard. As an older generation, “pre on sensor ADC” design it will and does introduce undesirable artefacts under comparable shadow or exposure lifting.

In terms of high ISO’s - the perceived advantage of the bigger sensor might be smaller than you think in this particular case – my own testing suggests this new APS-C device is pretty damn good – I could see shots at ISO 12800 still working at reasonable print/viewing sizes. So unless you “lived” at high ISO I’d consider the 80D more than up to the task.

So to re-cap: Looking at your work it's hard to see a distinct "requirement" for one over the other – but by any reasonable measure the 80D would be the more capable all round body with negligible image quality differences at base ISO which is what you’ve specifically asked about – but again do note the significant nod to the 80D in terms of processing latitude.

That said once this new technology makes its way into the next iterations of the 5 & 6D bodies the above comments will likely no longer apply. Until then – if I was buying one today – I’d probably get a 80D.
Thank you for sharing the results of your comparative test.
Welcome to canonrumors.
 
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I'm surprised no one has asked the common question (or maybe I missed it), what is your 70D not doing, or holding you back from accomplishing that you feel a 6D or 80D will?

Because, if you were going for narrow DOF, or wanting high ISO, there is at least a case to be made for a full frame camera. But otherwise, I just don't see going from a 70D to an 80D as anything that would feel revolutionary.

Is that your only glass? I instantly noticed wide angle shots (saw a 10-18). If that is indeed your only glass, and you have ebay money to spend :), maybe a new lens (or two) might be a better use of your funds.

As someone who used the 70D almost exclusively for a year, I can tell you it was a great camera and did not hold me back. I can also tell you that once I bought a 6D I had to force myself to pick up the 70D on occasion to use it.

I personally would do one of the following:

  • Keep the 70D (upgrade down the road to a 6D2, 90D, etc.)
  • Invest in a new lens (you do have a varied portfolio, continue to explore, maybe macro, etc.)
  • Add a 6D to compliment the 70D (use the right body for the moment/outing)

But I don't think you should just straight up replace the 70D with an 80D or 6D.

By the way, some great shots in there! Happy shooting!
 
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Luds34 said:
I'm surprised no one has asked the common question (or maybe I missed it), what is your 70D not doing, or holding you back from accomplishing that you feel a 6D or 80D will?

Because, if you were going for narrow DOF, or wanting high ISO, there is at least a case to be made for a full frame camera. But otherwise, I just don't see going from a 70D to an 80D as anything that would feel revolutionary.

Is that your only glass? I instantly noticed wide angle shots (saw a 10-18). If that is indeed your only glass, and you have ebay money to spend :), maybe a new lens (or two) might be a better use of your funds.

As someone who used the 70D almost exclusively for a year, I can tell you it was a great camera and did not hold me back. I can also tell you that once I bought a 6D I had to force myself to pick up the 70D on occasion to use it.

I personally would do one of the following:

  • Keep the 70D (upgrade down the road to a 6D2, 90D, etc.)
  • Invest in a new lens (you do have a varied portfolio, continue to explore, maybe macro, etc.)
  • Add a 6D to compliment the 70D (use the right body for the moment/outing)

But I don't think you should just straight up replace the 70D with an 80D or 6D.

By the way, some great shots in there! Happy shooting!
Thanks for saying. I got scared, took the 70D off of ebay and put my gear in the car ready to capture something cool in my travels. It occurred to me that, on the basic of GASious confusion, that my "perfect" camera maybe isn't yet out and it might not even matter regardless. So with my burning urge to spend some money I'm going to get two spare SDHC cards and call it a day; for now...
Many thanks for talking me off the ledge.
 
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Cory said:
Thanks for saying. I got scared, took the 70D off of ebay and put my gear in the car ready to capture something cool in my travels. It occurred to me that, on the basic of GASious confusion, that my "perfect" camera maybe isn't yet out and it might not even matter regardless. So with my burning urge to spend some money I'm going to get two spare SDHC cards and call it a day; for now...
Many thanks for talking me off the ledge.

I think you made a good decision. At the very least, the longer you wait the cheaper the 5DIII, 6D, 80D etc get. In the meantime you could get a much wider lens or a much longer lens to complement what you already have!
 
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Cory said:
Many thanks for talking me off the ledge.

Awesome! Glad I could talk you off the ledge. ;)

Yeah I got a bit carried away at one point myself. I finally consolidated equipment and have very few plans on any big purchases this year. Focusing on getting out and shooting! So far I only bought a 135mm f/2L and that was because it has been on my long time wish list and an opportunity came up I couldn't say no to!

The only thing on my wish list is a new DSLR at some point that is equal to my 6D, but with more focus points. I do miss the 70D and what it did for me on tracking or just using off center focus points.

Again, good choice I feel. Have fun shooting!
 
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Given what you've posted, I'd say the 80D. You seem to shoot quite a bit at longer focal lengths and the APS-C will give you the extra reach. Plus, I wouldn't recommend a 6D if you're shooting sports or wildlife due to the less sophisticated autofocus system. My guess is that a 5D mkIV would be out of your price point (I'm probably going to a 6D mkII from my 5D mkIII).

I don't think the 6D's full frame sensor would even give you much of an advantage in low light since the 80D's sensor, despite being APS-C, is a lot newer and doing pretty well.

I can understand the urge to pull the trigger on new gear sooner rather than later, but if you can wait, maybe hold out for the 6D mkII? That way you have all your options on the table and can make a better assessment? A friend of mine bought the 5D mkII right before the 5D mkIII was announced and really regretted it since he really doesn't like the autofocus in the 5D mkII.

Alternatively, maybe try renting both the 80D and a 6D, have a play with them, do some pixel peeping, and see which is best for you?
 
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