A Bit of EOS 5D Mark IV & EOS 7D Mark II Information [CR2]

[rrcphoto]

Oh great... a 3K 5DMk4... That means 1/200ths top sync speed... sloooooow shutter lag making it useless for action photography... and a slow processor.... along with two or so stops of lower ISO performance than a camera that is only 1/3 more in value... but the 7D MK2 is a camera that has all the features I want, minus the FF sensor.. that costs just 1/2 of what the "5" body is going to cost me... Thank you in advance Canon for producing another annoying camera... one that does not need a built in VG... I's going to suck..... I just know it..

obviously spoken like someone that never tried a 5d Mark III.

and perhaps get another bowl of cornflakes.. obviously there's something wrong with your current bowl

 

[rrcphoto]

My question is: Why cheaper? I have seldom seen an product that gets cheaper and is higher in quality and has more features, than its predecessor. ???

Does that mean, an 5D Mark IV is just an small step forward? 24MP, 1/3 better noise? No stunning upgrade of the Mark III?

Or has Canon an ace up one's sleeve? Is there another Version in preparation Eos 3D?

when the 5D Mark III came out in 2012, the Yen was at a all time high, making the import cost considerable.

in actuality, the cost of the 5D Mark III and IV will be around the same, the difference is exchange rates.

 

[PureClassA]

Precisely. In 2012, the Yen was around 80:1 USD. Today it is 100:1 USD. If we were to drop the price of the new 5D4 accordingly from the 5D3 initial release, that would result in a drop of 20% (same as Yen fall against the dollar) That would make the new 5D4 about $2800. At a rumored price of $3299 given the current exchange rate, the 5D4 is actually a MORE expensive camera than the 5D3 if you reverse the exchange rates back to 2012 levels.

Based on exchange:

2012 5D3- $3500 x 80 yen = 280,000 yen
2016 5D4- $3300 x 100yen = 330,000 yen

My question is: Why cheaper? I have seldom seen an product that gets cheaper and is higher in quality and has more features, than its predecessor. ???

Does that mean, an 5D Mark IV is just an small step forward? 24MP, 1/3 better noise? No stunning upgrade of the Mark III?

Or has Canon an ace up one's sleeve? Is there another Version in preparation Eos 3D?

when the 5D Mark III came out in 2012, the Yen was at a all time high, making the import cost considerable.

in actuality, the cost of the 5D Mark III and IV will be around the same, the difference is exchange rates.

 

[daniela]

Precisely. In 2012, the Yen was around 80:1 USD. Today it is 100:1 USD. If we were to drop the price of the new 5D4 accordingly from the 5D3 initial release, that would result in a drop of 20% (same as Yen fall against the dollar) That would make the new 5D4 about $2800. At a rumored price of $3299 given the current exchange rate, the 5D4 is actually a MORE expensive camera than the 5D3 if you reverse the exchange rates back to 2012 levels.

Based on exchange:

2012 5D3- $3500 x 80 yen = 280,000 yen
2016 5D4- $3300 x 100yen = 330,000 yen

My question is: Why cheaper? I have seldom seen an product that gets cheaper and is higher in quality and has more features, than its predecessor. ???

Does that mean, an 5D Mark IV is just an small step forward? 24MP, 1/3 better noise? No stunning upgrade of the Mark III?

Or has Canon an ace up one's sleeve? Is there another Version in preparation Eos 3D?

when the 5D Mark III came out in 2012, the Yen was at a all time high, making the import cost considerable.

in actuality, the cost of the 5D Mark III and IV will be around the same, the difference is exchange rates.

Thanks for this information. But why are price increases rumored in Europe? The Euro is stable against the $

 

[PureClassA]

On a separate wish list note:

DPAF (Don't think this is likely)

Video Specs same as 1DX2 (fairly likely)

24MP - 28MP is just fine (almost definite)

Keep 99% the same 5D3 ergonomics (certainty)

 

[PureClassA]

Thanks for this information. But why are price increases rumored in Europe? The Euro is stable against the $

Because the Euro has fallen quite sharply in the last year against the Yen and many other currencies. The dollar has nothing to do with it. The Yen is the native currency of Canon.

Last year a Euro bought 150 yen at it's peak. Today it's down to 110. So you guys in Europe have to eat the exchange rates. Britain had the right idea years ago not letting go of the Pound Sterling. I called that one 15 years ago lol.

 

[Sharlin]

On a separate wish list note:

DPAF (Don't think this is likely)

Why wouldn't this be likely? Starting from the 70D all Canon non-Rebels except the (special-purpose) 5Ds have featured DPAF. I'd say there's a very small chance that Canon wouldn't feature it in their top-of-the-line general-purpose body. I wouldn't be surprised if even the next Rebel got a DP sensor.

 

[PureClassA]

70D. The 7D2. The 80D replacement of the 70D. That's it. Crop sensors, all. Full Frame is different. The 1DX2 will likely maintain it's protection. Making a 5D4 with 24MP and 8-10 FPS and DPAF is too close to a 1DX2 MAIN feature set. I just dont think they put it in there. I hope I'm wrong. I would be very surprised if they did

On a separate wish list note:

DPAF (Don't think this is likely)

Why wouldn't this be likely? Starting from the 70D all Canon non-Rebels except the (special-purpose) 5Ds have featured DPAF. I'd say there's a very small chance that Canon wouldn't feature it in their top-of-the-line general-purpose body. I wouldn't be surprised if even the next Rebel got a DP sensor.

 

[jebrady03]

Oh great... a 3K 5DMk4... That means 1/200ths top sync speed... sloooooow shutter lag making it useless for action photography... and a slow processor.... along with two or so stops of lower ISO performance than a camera that is only 1/3 more in value... but the 7D MK2 is a camera that has all the features I want, minus the FF sensor.. that costs just 1/2 of what the "5" body is going to cost me... Thank you in advance Canon for producing another annoying camera... one that does not need a built in VG... I's going to suck..... I just know it..

Go buy a clue. You're in desperate need of one.

 

[daniela]

Thanks for this information. But why are price increases rumored in Europe? The Euro is stable against the $

Because the Euro has fallen quite sharply in the last year against the Yen and many other currencies. The dollar has nothing to do with it. The Yen is the native currency of Canon.

Last year a Euro bought 150 yen at it's peak. Today it's down to 110. So you guys in Europe have to eat the exchange rates. Britain had the right idea years ago not letting go of the Pound Sterling. I called that one 15 years ago lol.

True. But maybe, they shot themself in their foot.

 

[daniela]

Now we are dreaming of high-end specifications. Then the day of the announcement comes and we will be brought back to reality. Then bashing and moaning starts. And in the end, the successor is sold well and we are happy with it... Until, until the bad and ugly Sonikons are releasing something that beats the hold MK IV

 

[unfocused]

Now we are dreaming of high-end specifications. Then the day of the announcement comes and we will be brought back to reality. Then bashing and moaning starts. And in the end, the successor is sold well and we are happy with it... Until, until the bad and ugly Sonikons are releasing something that beats the hold MK IV

Sadly true...but with one clarification: Sony/Nikon doesn't have to release anything that actually "beats" the Mark IV, they just have to have one specification that looks better on paper. That's all it takes to trigger certain people.

 

[rrcphoto]

Now we are dreaming of high-end specifications. Then the day of the announcement comes and we will be brought back to reality. Then bashing and moaning starts. And in the end, the successor is sold well and we are happy with it... Until, until the bad and ugly Sonikons are releasing something that beats the hold MK IV

Sadly true...but with one clarification: Sony/Nikon doesn't have to release anything that actually "beats" the Mark IV, they just have to have one specification that looks better on paper. That's all it takes to trigger certain people.

just having a mirror and a pentaprism will trigger some

 

[noms78]

On a separate wish list note:

DPAF (Don't think this is likely)

Video Specs same as 1DX2 (fairly likely)

24MP - 28MP is just fine (almost definite)

Keep 99% the same 5D3 ergonomics (certainty)

The camera has already been confirmed to have internal 4k so DPAF is a given.

Megapixels will be somewhere between 24 and 32.

FPS will be 7 or 8.

 

[Don Haines]

Canon releases a camera that is better (for some things) than the equivalent Nikon......

Then A few years later Nikon releases a camera better (for some things) than the equivalent Canon......

Then a few years later Canon releases.......

Then Nikon.....

Then Canon.....

This is hardly a revelation or to be unexpected.......

 

[kevl]

I needed a second body for this wedding season. I had expected the 5D4 to come in the Spring so I ended needing something quick. I picked the 7DII to pair with my 5D3 workhorse. This has turned out to be a fantastic decision. The camera is brilliant.

There is less room for error with the 7DII than the 5D3 but if you get your exposure right your images are going to be great. It has gone from being my backup to being used just as often as the 5D3. Frankly it is a joy to use.

If anyone is having image quality issues with their 7DII I would suggest investing in a good focus target and spending some time dialling in your AF micro adjustments and being careful with your exposure. The camera's image quality and noise performance suffers greatly if your AF is off just a bit. The softer your images are the more the noise affects them.

Hope this helps.

 

[Loswr]

The 5D Mark IV faces increased competition from the likes of the Pentax K1

Sure, just like Toyota is facing increased competition from Suzuki. :

 

[Cthulhu]

I needed a second body for this wedding season. I had expected the 5D4 to come in the Spring so I ended needing something quick. I picked the 7DII to pair with my 5D3 workhorse. This has turned out to be a fantastic decision. The camera is brilliant.

There is less room for error with the 7DII than the 5D3 but if you get your exposure right your images are going to be great. It has gone from being my backup to being used just as often as the 5D3. Frankly it is a joy to use.

If anyone is having image quality issues with their 7DII I would suggest investing in a good focus target and spending some time dialling in your AF micro adjustments and being careful with your exposure. The camera's image quality and noise performance suffers greatly if your AF is off just a bit. The softer your images are the more the noise affects them.

Hope this helps.

It is indeed a joy to use, the AF is great, it's light, quiet and very feature rich. I don't think I'd have much trouble with it shooting weddings, though an 80D seems like a better choice, but I shoot extremely fast action where light changes dramatically on a panning shot, so the exposure can't always be where you want to. I don't want to ever shoot above iso 1600 with it as it falls apart.
I've since moved on to a 1dx and couldn't be happier. They're fairly cheap second hand these days and absolute beasts if you need to keep your shutter above 1/1000 all the time.

 

[Cthulhu]

This should tell you that the EOS 7D Mark II will be around for a while and not to expect an update in 2017. A EOS 7D Mark II will also be kitted with the new EF-S 18-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM lens.</p>
<p>We haven’t received any more information about the EOS 7D Mark II firmware update that’s coming.</p>
<p><em>More to come…</em></p>
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Big mistake, in my opinion. I loved the 7d and was thoroughly underwhelmed by the update as far as image quality and noise are concerned. I've since moved on to full frame as I'd rather live with the loss of reach than with the garbage the 7d mk2 produces at high iso. If I were to go back to crop sensor there's no even a question the D500 is the way to go.

You won't get much better high ISO behavior with the D500 compared to the 7DII:

http://www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR.htm#Canon%20EOS%207D%20Mark%20II,Nikon%20D500

Sure the DR is not all that different, but the AF is much better and it's both sharper and cleaner. Not to mention it'll shoot raw forever.

I don't hate my 7d2 but I don't love it either.

 

[Orangutan]

The 5D Mark IV faces increased competition from the likes of the Pentax K1 that offers 36MP for under $2000 in a similar sized body.

How do you mean? While the reviews of the K1 seem to be pretty good, it's not really competition unless it takes significant sales away.