I really am not concerned with how a camera looks, but the A7 just makes the 6D look like 1990's aesthetic.
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A New Pancake Lens? [CR1]
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Marauder said:I'd like to see them also come out with a 30mm f2.8 Pancake. Great "near 50mm" equivalent for crop frames. Would still expect it to be EF rather than EF-S--just have a slightly different utility on crop vs. full.
Yeap, nice 50/4.5 equivalent for crop frames
. There is really not much of size or price reduction in APS-C realm.
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MichaelHodges said:
Agree, but have you tried handling an A7? I'll take my 5D3's phenomenal grip/handling over that boxy little thing any day.
For me, it's a personal preference issue, but I actually wonder how handholdable in low light these mirrorless rigs really are. Throw technology out for a second -- forget about high ISO performance and IS technology -- but I'd love to see a 'keeper rate' study where a common lens (let's say a Sigma art lens) used on a mirrorless rig and an SLR with a solid, chunky grip is used to take shots at 1/60 second, then 1/30, then 1/15, then 1/8, etc.
I'm not being a mirrorless naysayer here (I admit that mirrorless is in all of our futures eventually), I'm sincerely curious from a scientific/ergonomic perspective. How important is grip size to holding the camera steady? Does a FF grip deliver a stop of 'grip IS' or is it just a comfort and muscle strain nice-to-have?
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ahsanford said:
I've wondered this too - from my personal experience, the strength of mirrorless (smaller size, simpler design) is also its weakness. Cameras continue to get smaller and smaller (have you seen the Pentax Q??) and yet, the size of the human hand has not changed in hundreds of years.
For me, mirrorless (my EOS-M) is fine for snapshots and for times that I want a little more control than my phone camera, but had not thought ahead to bring my DSLR. (My EOS-M is almost always with me). I personally have not handled a Sony a7 but it looks like that's the minimum size I'd need in order to consider a mirrorless full time. I don't know how comfortable I'd be with its dial placement but it looks awkward. Manufacturers have tried things like putting controls onto the touch screen, but that's similarly awkward. With my SLR I can make every adjustment I need to and not take my eye off the viewfinder. For mirrorless to seriously compete with DSLRs it needs to have this level of control. Smaller, lighter, thinner, etc are not inherently good things, they come with tradeoffs.
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DRR said:
I've taken some sample shots with an A7 in a Sony store, and the grip isn't terrible. I'd liken holding it and shooting with it to a Rebel-sized crop camera, which is not bad at all. I did not like the knob and dial placements, but who ever does on a first use? Overall, I found the experience to be cramped but functional.
But the bottom line is that I generally shoot with lenses that are not tiny, 16-35, 24-70, 70-200, etc. So the size sell is lost a bit on me, see here: http://camerasize.com/compact/#312.294,487.392,ha,t
Now if I was shooting street or was some travel photojournalist, I'd slap a single prime on his camera and go. That's where these mirrorless rigs (including rangefinders) would be terrific.
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lw said:
Good link, thank you!
I must say that 24mm for crop is odd. 24mm is a common FF focal length, but not a common Canon crop focal length. An EF-S 22mm (like with the EF-M) version would give a 35.2mm focal length that would make more sense.
But an EF-S offering makes sense as this is the only mount that doesn't have a pancake option right now. It's a pity it won't be EF, though, as I am a 5D3 shooter and would love a wide pancake option with autofocusing.
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ahsanford said:
24*1.6=38.4 mm. This is very near 40mm, which is a nice standard focal length for a 'standard' prime. Case in point:
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mrsfotografie said:24*1.6=38.4 mm. This is very near 40mm, which is a nice standard focal length for a 'standard' prime. Case in point:
Agree, but then why did Canon choose a 22mm pancake for EOS-M? Anything from 35-50mm FF is fine with me, but Canon is frustratingly inconsistent on this.
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I have the 40 stm and the voigtlander 20. Both are great. Shooting manual focus at 20mm on full-frame is totally easy. The only thing is you can't shoot quickly one-handed but so what. The voigt shoots beautifully. Two lenses at 345 grams total. Share a 52mm filter. It's great. Amazing how effective the distance scale becomes as well as the focus confirmation. The 16-35 is twice the weight of both put together and over twice the size. It's a hassle switching lenses but the prime shooting experience is also special.
Having used Pentax for 3 years previously, and having owned a handful of their pancake and small limiteds, I'm most satisfied with the 6d and a couple of small lenses. A 24mm pancake would be very compelling. I guarantee it will be stm if it exists. I just can't see it happening though. I'd bank on another m lens with a new m camera that actually is worth buying. Canon isn't going to give up the mirrorless game that quickly. But if they don't spit out a modern 50mm they'll frustrate a lot of people.
Having used Pentax for 3 years previously, and having owned a handful of their pancake and small limiteds, I'm most satisfied with the 6d and a couple of small lenses. A 24mm pancake would be very compelling. I guarantee it will be stm if it exists. I just can't see it happening though. I'd bank on another m lens with a new m camera that actually is worth buying. Canon isn't going to give up the mirrorless game that quickly. But if they don't spit out a modern 50mm they'll frustrate a lot of people.
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Mr_Canuck said:
i agree the voigt 20 and 40 are an awesome pair when travelling light
with the 20 set f8 hard stop infinity and everything from 2m to infinity is in focus anyway its a wicked point and shoot when used like this.
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wickidwombat said:
I have a 12mm Samyang that I use on my Sony, and I've not quite figured out what is the 'ideal' setting for that lens. I use focus peaking but found that OOF areas with high contrast are still shown as being in focus. Wide angle MF can be really challenging, and I think I need more practice to build the necessary confidence.
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