A Real EOS M Replacement Coming Soon? [CR1]

[lw]

Seems reasonable to me to assume that PDAF that is sensor based and found in more recent Canon DSLRs would also be found in any newer EOS-M - with perhaps even better algorithms behind it to deliver better AF than prior

the 7D Mark II has far more tweaking available to it for PDAF settings, so it's obvious that canon is still actively augmenting it. it's not the same as the 70D.

From the 7D Mark II literature:

New DAF features include user-selectable adjustments for Movie Servo AF Speed and Movie Servo AF Tracking Sensitivity. Additionally, overall focusing speed, face detection performance, and performance in low light and with low-contrast subjects have been improved over previous Canon models

I would imagine DiGiC 6's increased performance has alot to do with it.

also I believe when ML was doing the EOS-M breakdown, they found out that the liveview framerate was cranked up more than the normal DSLR one (i recall one statement as such from them on that) - and canon even admitted that with the original EOS-M firmware version 2.0 they redid algorithms.

there's nothing stopping canon from cranking up the fps on liveview (which makes contrast detect work quicker) and also continually improving PDAF algorithms.

They didn't do it for their flagship APS-C camera though, so again, why will they do it for a much cheaper M?
Seriously, the new M is going to be a mirrorless beater because it will have some movie AF tweets?
Hoping to be pleasantly surprised, but not expecting anything...

 

[Woody]

Seriously, the new M is going to be a mirrorless beater because it will have some movie AF tweets?

In my books, even the old EOS-M beats out other competing MILCs because of
(a) price (b) 22 f/2 lens (c) wireless remote control (without resorting to the battery draining WiFi feature) (d) the flexibility to mount EOS lenses without significant loss in AF capability.

As for AF, unless MILCs can beat DSLRs in overall AF response (in terms of AF servo and as well as EVF related lag), they will always play a secondary role in my bag. For serious stuff, I can only rely on my DSLR. As such, it does not matter to me whether the AF in EOS-M can ever match that of other equivalent MILC products.

I owned and used an OME EM5 for a year before I sold all my m43 stuff.

 

[privatebydesign]

(c) wireless remote control (without resorting to the battery draining WiFi feature)

How do you do that?

 

[dcm]

(c) wireless remote control (without resorting to the battery draining WiFi feature)

How do you do that?

RC-6 is supported on the M (wireless infrared)

 

[privatebydesign]

(c) wireless remote control (without resorting to the battery draining WiFi feature)

How do you do that?

RC-6 is supported on the M (wireless infrared)

That's not really 'remote control' it is just a remote release. My understanding is the M has been remote control via USB crippled too.

 

[dcm]

(c) wireless remote control (without resorting to the battery draining WiFi feature)

How do you do that?

RC-6 is supported on the M (wireless infrared)

That's not really 'remote control' it is just a remote release. My understanding is the M has been remote control via USB crippled too.

I didn't address the merits of it. RC does stand for remote control and infrared is wireless so the statement is valid. And I have used it on a few occasions since there is no other supported external method to trigger as you noted.

I have used both USB and iPhone/wifi controls on my 6D; either would have been nice to have with the M. The EOS M2 did pick up the wifi controls so I assume any replacement will at least keep those.

 

[privatebydesign]

(c) wireless remote control (without resorting to the battery draining WiFi feature)

How do you do that?

RC-6 is supported on the M (wireless infrared)

That's not really 'remote control' it is just a remote release. My understanding is the M has been remote control via USB crippled too.

I didn't address the merits of it. RC does stand for remote control and infrared is wireless so the statement is valid. And I have used it on a few occasions since there is no other supported external method to trigger as you noted.

I have used both USB and iPhone controls on my 6D; either would be nice to have with the M. Maybe in the next version.

Only if you buy into the Canon bullshit. Everybody knows the difference between a simple remote release, the RC-6, and actual 'remote control', as in having one iota of actual control.

I can use a 600EX-RT and or ST-E3-RT to trigger the shutter on the M too, and that is true radio, but that still doesn't give me remote control, which is what I was interested in.

 

[rrcphoto]

They didn't do it for their flagship APS-C camera though, so again, why will they do it for a much cheaper M?
Seriously, the new M is going to be a mirrorless beater because it will have some movie AF tweets?
Hoping to be pleasantly surprised, but not expecting anything...

not sure what you are going on about. they did do algorithm enhancements for the 7D Mark II, and totally different tweaks and even a far more advanced liveview AF configuration screen that allows for more tweaking.

part of the M enhancements liveview breaks USB tethering from my understanding from reading the ML forums when they were first breaking out the M. so I doubt they would do all they could to the flagship APS-C.

 

[rrcphoto]

(c) wireless remote control (without resorting to the battery draining WiFi feature)

How do you do that?

RC-6 is supported on the M (wireless infrared)

That's not really 'remote control' it is just a remote release. My understanding is the M has been remote control via USB crippled too.

yes! .. the 1/8" inch rebel plug even would be awesome to have - I'd love to have a wired release on the M

I can see not having room for the N3 plug, but the rebel would do nicely.

 

[AvTvM]

yes! .. the 1/8" inch rebel plug even would be awesome to have - I'd love to have a wired release on the M
I can see not having room for the N3 plug, but the rebel would do nicely.

I don't care at all for wired remote release via weirdo proprietary Canon plugs and Canon-priced cables and dumb triggers.

But I would have really liked Canon not to cripple USB TETHERING / Remote Control [remember, they had to put a sticker on the respective symbol already printed on the EOS-M box!] ... using Canon Utilies/Remote.
And additional built-in WiFi would be even better.

For remote release I use an RC-1 IR Trigger. It works on all Canon cameras I had and have. From Elan 7E to EOS-M. it is older, but slightly better than RC-6, since it has 2s and 10s delay option.

 

[Khufu]

But I would have really liked Canon not to cripple USB TETHERING / Remote Control [remember, they had to put a sticker on the respective symbol already printed on the EOS-M box!] ... using Canon Utilies/Remote.
And additional built-in WiFi would be even better.

I'm pretty sure the only feature stickered-over on my (UK) EOS M box was the 3-10x Video Crop/Zoom that they removed from the review/pre-production models' firmware... are you sure yours had that printed?

 

[AvTvM]

But I would have really liked Canon not to cripple USB TETHERING / Remote Control [remember, they had to put a sticker on the respective symbol already printed on the EOS-M box!] ... using Canon Utilies/Remote.
And additional built-in WiFi would be even better.

I'm pretty sure the only feature stickered-over on my (UK) EOS M box was the 3-10x Video Crop/Zoom that they removed from the review/pre-production models' firmware... are you sure yours had that printed?

Ooops .. Thanks for the correction ... You are right.

Got mixed up for a moment with all the features canon decided to omit or cripple on the eos-m ...

 

[rrcphoto]

But I would have really liked Canon not to cripple USB TETHERING / Remote Control [remember, they had to put a sticker on the respective symbol already printed on the EOS-M box!] ... using Canon Utilies/Remote.
And additional built-in WiFi would be even better.

I'm pretty sure the only feature stickered-over on my (UK) EOS M box was the 3-10x Video Crop/Zoom that they removed from the review/pre-production models' firmware... are you sure yours had that printed?

Ooops .. Thanks for the correction ... You are right.

Got mixed up for a moment with all the features canon decided to omit or cripple on the eos-m ...

what ML was saying about the M and tethering was because they went with a higher framerate in liveview, that made it incompatible with canon's pc software for tethering.

however - the workaround would have been no liveview feed and usb tethered control.

that all being said, M2 supported wifi tethering - i doubt M3,etc if what ML is saying is accurate will support usb tethering.

for me anyways, all canon's from the beginning of time had some form of wired tether. that needs to be on the M - frankly it can be (and should be) the rebel plug. between eyefi and wifi tethering options, that's more than covered.

the only issue i have with wifi tethered is that there is no ASCOM ability with that.

 

[mirrorless]

New Eos M should be announced quite soon (by rumors).. any updated news about it? Specs?

 

[privatebydesign]

But I would have really liked Canon not to cripple USB TETHERING / Remote Control [remember, they had to put a sticker on the respective symbol already printed on the EOS-M box!] ... using Canon Utilies/Remote.
And additional built-in WiFi would be even better.

I'm pretty sure the only feature stickered-over on my (UK) EOS M box was the 3-10x Video Crop/Zoom that they removed from the review/pre-production models' firmware... are you sure yours had that printed?

Ooops .. Thanks for the correction ... You are right.

Got mixed up for a moment with all the features canon decided to omit or cripple on the eos-m ...

what ML was saying about the M and tethering was because they went with a higher framerate in liveview, that made it incompatible with canon's pc software for tethering.

however - the workaround would have been no liveview feed and usb tethered control.

that all being said, M2 supported wifi tethering - i doubt M3,etc if what ML is saying is accurate will support usb tethering.

for me anyways, all canon's from the beginning of time had some form of wired tether. that needs to be on the M - frankly it can be (and should be) the rebel plug. between eyefi and wifi tethering options, that's more than covered.

the only issue i have with wifi tethered is that there is no ASCOM ability with that.

EyeFi cards are a quaint joke for very many situations. THE WiFi solution, and I have tried them all, is the CamRanger and all it needs is the simple USB tether capability. The EOS-M would be the perfect remote camera, silent operation, lightweight so needs little in the way of support, excellent sensor etc etc, but we can't use it because of the crippled USB tethered support, even though the camera was fairly universally panned (though I like mine) having a very capable small remote that takes EF lenses would have opened up a different market segment for the much maligned M.

 

[rrcphoto]

EyeFi cards are a quaint joke for very many situations. THE WiFi solution, and I have tried them all, is the CamRanger and all it needs is the simple USB tether capability. The EOS-M would be the perfect remote camera, silent operation, lightweight so needs little in the way of support, excellent sensor etc etc, but we can't use it because of the crippled USB tethered support, even though the camera was fairly universally panned (though I like mine) having a very capable small remote that takes EF lenses would have opened up a different market segment for the much maligned M.

are you including M2's wifi - which it already had a year ago? USB support is for this class of camera far more limited - it would be nice. certainly not expecting it if ML was right in their assessment.

just to add - did you even read what you quoted?

 

[e17paul]

Is this coming in 2015?

http://www.thephoblographer.com/2014/12/02/canon-might-introduce-first-likeable-eos-m-mirrorless-camera-2015/

 

[Sporgon]

Re: Is this coming in 2015?

A whole new series of lenses for a FF EOS M ? How many thousands of people out there would want a FF 'M' as opposed to an APS-c ?

Seems unlikely to me, though those who keep referring to a 'flappy mirror' and who must have had some mirror do them grevious harm as a kid will probably be very excited about the rumour.

 

[dgatwood]

Re: Is this coming in 2015?


You're assuming they'll release a full line of new lenses, but they really don't have to. After all, with a mirrorless body, there's nothing stopping you from using existing EF-M lenses. The camera electronics would simply have to recognize that the lens was designed for crop, and use only the center portion of the sensor. It's not like you have an optical viewfinder to worry about, or a mirror that would hit the back of the lens.

 

[AcutancePhotography]

Re: Is this coming in 2015?

A small full frame mirrorless camera? That would be interesting.