A Real EOS M Replacement Coming Soon? [CR1]

[Cory]

Re: Is this coming in 2015?

Pretty pleased with my M1, but wouldn't object to a 50mm M lens.

 

[Marsu42]

Re: Is this coming in 2015?

http://www.thephoblographer.com/2014/12/02/canon-might-introduce-first-likeable-eos-m-mirrorless-camera-2015/

You're quoting a link that quotes CR? Well, that's setting a new standard [CR-1] :->

However, I find the rumor believable. Canon cannot compete with its current sensor tech, though the 7d2 isn't much worse than Sony/Nikon aps-c. If they want to make a big splash in the $1000-$2000 market, it has to be ff - combined with their dual pixel af, all in one small package

As for lenses, I imagine their current ef-m lenses wouldn't fit on a mirrorless ff, so you either have to adapt ef lenses or they release a genuine ff-mirrorless lens lineup. As there aren't that much ef-m lenses around, imho the installed base won't block them from adding yet another mount.

Seems unlikely to me, though those who keep referring to a 'flappy mirror' and who must have had some mirror do them grevious harm as a kid will probably be very excited about the rumour.

If the spec is 60-120fps ff quality, some people might think again how faster you can flip a mirror than on the current 7d2 or 1dx...

 

[lintoni]

Re: Is this coming in 2015?

http://www.thephoblographer.com/2014/12/02/canon-might-introduce-first-likeable-eos-m-mirrorless-camera-2015/

You're quoting a link that quotes CR? Well, that's setting a new standard [CR-1] :->

The link is actually to Canon Watch, thoug it is labelled Canon Rumors.

 

[Mt Spokane Photography]

Re: Is this coming in 2015?

The CR1 rumor was posted Nov 17 on CR. Its for a announcement in December, not 2015.

CR1 means its unconfirmed and unlikely to happen.

http://www.canonrumors.com/2014/11/a-real-eos-m-replacement-coming-soon-cr1/

http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=f2a5a82c717c51aeb1a0ea9b7a9b9951&topic=23733.0

 

[1Zach1]

I notice that B&H lists the M as Discontinued or No Longer Available (depending on the kit). Has it been this way for a while?

 

[privatebydesign]

EyeFi cards are a quaint joke for very many situations. THE WiFi solution, and I have tried them all, is the CamRanger and all it needs is the simple USB tether capability. The EOS-M would be the perfect remote camera, silent operation, lightweight so needs little in the way of support, excellent sensor etc etc, but we can't use it because of the crippled USB tethered support, even though the camera was fairly universally panned (though I like mine) having a very capable small remote that takes EF lenses would have opened up a different market segment for the much maligned M.

are you including M2's wifi - which it already had a year ago? USB support is for this class of camera far more limited - it would be nice. certainly not expecting it if ML was right in their assessment.

just to add - did you even read what you quoted?

Have you compared EOS Remote WiFI control to remote use with a CamRanger?

But it wasn't a comment on the M2's restricted capabilities, it was a comment on the M's completely castrated tethered capabilities.

 

[Mt Spokane Photography]

I notice that B&H lists the M as Discontinued or No Longer Available (depending on the kit). Has it been this way for a while?

For a long time. Canon is no longer selling them in the USA. Sales were beyond dismal. They do sell well in Asian countries where the small size and attractive price might be a big factor. The cameras now found in the USA are gray market imports. Repair might be a issue, if Canon USA does not carry a sufficient stock of parts. So far, I haven't heard of that issue.

I would have bought one during the big closeout sales if they had not left out tethering ability.

 

[jrista]

I am fairly skeptical of a FF EOS-M part coming along any time soon. With Canon's tepid entrance into the market, jumping into it again with another new EF mount (which I think would be required, lenses would have to be designed differently to get the image circle projected large enough to fill a full frame, with minimal vignetting, with the same EF mount) just doesn't seem logical. Not at this stage in the game. I think Canon would need to see growth in APS-C sized EOS-M cameras in the western markets before they, in their conservative ways, move on to make a FF version of EOS-M.


Personally, I'd welcome a better APS-C mirrorless from Canon. APS-C sensors are still relatively large in the grand scheme of things. Overall, they are the third largest general sensor size used in ILC type cameras, second largest if you exclude MFD from the pool. If Canon can improve DPAF, make it super fast, make it track extremely well, work in very low light, maybe even give it some more configurability...along with improved frame rates, IQ, all the standard stuff...oh, and give it a DSLR-style body design P)...I think an APS-C EOS-M could be a success in western markets.


I'd be willing to buy a DSLR-styled EOS-M if it had great AF performance and excellent IQ. Let's just say, at a minimum, it would need 7D II/6D level IQ (preferably Exmor/NX1 level IQ) and none of the frustrating CDAF/PDAF funky-hybridized slowness and hunting that seems to occur on current DPAF cameras (or even, for that matter, on Sony A7 series cameras...their AF is decent, but still not on the level of dedicated DSLR PDAF unit performance.)

 

[Mitch.Conner]

This is looking increasingly unlikely by the hour.

 

[AvTvM]

This is looking increasingly unlikely by the hour.

Why? It will lilely be announced in feb 2015.

 

[privatebydesign]

I would bet a large amount of money that Canon will not release an interchangable lens FF mirrorless next year, or the year after.

 

[jrista]

This is looking increasingly unlikely by the hour.

Why? It will lilely be announced in feb 2015.

I doubt it. Not a FF mirrorless, anyway.

 

[Mitch.Conner]

This is looking increasingly unlikely by the hour.

Why? It will lilely be announced in feb 2015.

This rumor is that it will be announced this month (unless there's something I misread). Even if it was announced in February, that's not this month.

 

[Mitch.Conner]

This is looking increasingly unlikely by the hour.

Why? It will lilely be announced in feb 2015.

I doubt it. Not a FF mirrorless, anyway.

I don't see a full frame EOS-M coming until Canon has the crop version fully realized. They wouldn't risk another flop and have full frame bodies being sold on eBay for $300 a pop.

 

[Khufu]

Is It not possible that "Canon has given word to various divisions around the globe that they will address the EOS M in December of this year" simply means that some bloke in Japan was intending to compose an internal email to some other execs around the planet along the lines of "hai guiz, thinkI might make a new camera next yeeear! Lol x"?

It's hardly clear on who they're addressing; the public, the need-to-know executives, distributors and warehouses so they can make better use of their big empty sheds marked 'M'...

I'd like me a Wifi M3 with EVF and that 3x video crop feature they thieved from my M1 though so, yeah, sort it out already!
Then again, the idea of that at the price they'll be charging, I'm obviously going to end up with an a7 series anyways

 

[Rocky]

The Rumor may have some truth behind it. AT Amazon Japan, The EOS-M2 with 22/2.0 and the 16-55 zoom is at about US$465 and Canon gives almost US$60 rebate.
I doubt that Canon will be in the FF mirrorless market in the foreseeable future. It will be to much capital investment, ( all new lenses, "buying" pattern from other companies, etc ) even for Canon.