A Rundown of Canon at Photokina

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Maximilian said:
CANONisOK said:
A bit confused by the 24mm f/2.8 EF-S pancake prime. I use the 24mm f/2.8 IS on my SL1 and it is tiny.

I guess if you're really interested in saving a minute amount of weight & size, a little bit of money, and trade IS for STM it might be worth it. But I can't see it myself.
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I can understand your arguments, but ...
thinking about an 24mm f/2.8 EF-S pancake at the price and performance of the 40mm pancake I think the 24mm f/2.8 IS it a totally different league and nothing to compare. your thoughts?
(of course if you already have the 24mm f/2.8 IS the 24mm pancake is not interesting)
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I see what you're saying also. But I don't think the 40mm has a huge image quality advantage over the new 24mm IS (very marginally sharper in the corners than the 24mm IS) - they were released at the same time after all. And I'd take IS over STM any day of the week, especially when there is no speed difference. And the 24mm IS can be used on full frame cameras as well. Different strokes for different folks, I suppose!
 
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preppyak said:
Size isnt a big difference, but I cant see the pancake costing more than $250, and I'd bet it retails the same as the 40mm pancake. I could buy both pancakes AND a 50mm f/1,8 and still have money leftover instead of buying the 28mm IS.
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And then you'd have three lenses that focus slower than a charging John Cleese. :D

For me -- and your needs may be different -- I'll take one of the non-L IS refresh lenses (24/28/35) over all three of the lenses you mentioned, principally to get USM focusing speed.

- A
 
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ahsanford said:
This has previously been beaten up at length:
http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=22337.msg428522#msg428522

Both lenses are sharp, have the same focal length and have the same max aperture. Other than, they are quite different. A pancake is a sharp & small photography tool that is stripped down of many features. The non-L IS refresh lenses are basically sleeper L lenses minus the weathersealing and the red ring. One is not better than the other -- it just depends on what you need.

What's more important is the rumour update that the new pancake may be an EF-S mount. As a FF user, that's disappointing to hear, but now each of Canon's mounts would have a 35-40mm FF equivalent pancake to call on.
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Wow, I missed that thread somehow. I guess the part that I forget is that the 24mm pancake will be a good "gateway lens" for those strictly using APS-C bodies.
 
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preppyak said:
Canon Rumors said:
EF 24-105mm f/3.5-5.6 IS STM
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I'm guessing this means the 24-105L is at the end of the line? Or will they have 3 lenses, this (replacing the 28-135), the 24-105L, and the 24-70f/4L?
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That's my thinking.

Although I don't really like that we have to lose the 106-135mm, especially as the only zoom lenses that reach beyond 105mm (besides the 70-xxx series) is the monster 28-300. BTW, a non-L version of that would be nice
 
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CANONisOK said:
A bit confused by the 24mm f/2.8 EF-S pancake prime. I use the 24mm f/2.8 IS on my SL1 and it is tiny.

I guess if you're really interested in saving a minute amount of weight & size, a little bit of money, and trade IS for STM it might be worth it. But I can't see it myself.
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I've read (and participated) in all the discussions before on this lens. I'm with you. I still don't see it. 24mm EF-S means effective focal length of 38mm -- barely wide angle. It won't perform better than the 24 f2.8 IS and it will be the difference between small and really small. Seems like the only advantage would be price, but I simply wouldn't want a 38mm equivalent lens even if it were free.

That's just me, though.
 
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Act444 said:
preppyak said:
Canon Rumors said:
EF 24-105mm f/3.5-5.6 IS STM
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I'm guessing this means the 24-105L is at the end of the line? Or will they have 3 lenses, this (replacing the 28-135), the 24-105L, and the 24-70f/4L?
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That's my thinking.

Although I don't really like that we have to lose the 106-135mm, especially as the only zoom lenses that reach beyond 105mm (besides the 70-xxx series) is the monster 28-300. BTW, a non-L version of that would be nice
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Agree. If that new variable max aperture 24-105 lens is offered, I doubt it will have a red ring. Such a lens should replace the 28-135 as the budget zoom for FF rigs.

But I find it really surprising that Canon would offer a new "FF only" lens (i.e. a [24mm - anything] lens works fine on crop but folks will feel handcuffed on the wide end) at the launch of the 7D2. So I put a ton more faith in the 15-85 and 18-135 rumors than the 24-105 rumors.

- A
 
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Re: A Rundown of Canon at Photokina / spot metering

I don't understand "Spot metering size 1.8%".

I would expect a "degrees" spec rather than a percent.

Is this because of a changing "spot" size with different lenses?

I suppose I am confusing a "spot meter"proper, with camera spot metering.

Can someone enlighten me?

Thanks
 
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#33
unfocused said:
CANONisOK said:
A bit confused by the 24mm f/2.8 EF-S pancake prime. I use the 24mm f/2.8 IS on my SL1 and it is tiny.

I guess if you're really interested in saving a minute amount of weight & size, a little bit of money, and trade IS for STM it might be worth it. But I can't see it myself.
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I've read (and participated) in all the discussions before on this lens. I'm with you. I still don't see it. 24mm EF-S means effective focal length of 38mm -- barely wide angle. It won't perform better than the 24 f2.8 IS and it will be the difference between small and really small. Seems like the only advantage would be price, but I simply wouldn't want a 38mm equivalent lens even if it were free.

That's just me, though.
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EF-M has a 22mm pancake = 35mm FF equiv
EF-S would get a 24mm pancake = 38mm FF equiv
EF has a 40mm pancake = 40mm FF equiv

I see two sides of this:

On the it's going to happen side: It's not consistent at all, which is nutty, but each mount would now have a roughly 35mm walkaround easy-breezy pancake.

On the it's not going to happen side: 24mm is a FF focal length and not a crop length. 24mm is the standard for 'wide' in FF shooting. To my knowledge, with the exception of the EF-S 60mm macro, every single EF-S lens is from 10mm-18mm on the wide end until they jump to the tele 55- zooms. So making a pancake prime just for EF-S doesn't make much sense. One might think this pancake is actually EF and not EF-S. Then FF users would have two pancakes for walkaround and crop users would just use the 24 pancake as their choice.

- A
 
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#34
DominoDude said:
*disappointed sigh*
If I can't have a 1200mm pancake lens, that's so dense and compact it rips a hole in the time-space continuum, then I'll skip getting any new glass for a while. :)
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Until that happens (and I would want that 1200mm to be 1.4) hopefully we'll be able to put the 24mm pancake lens on top of the 40mm pancake lens so ... yep we'll have a stack of pancake lenses :D

Well the good news is we will find out what will happen soon so everyone can start speculating about the next releases of cameras/lenses.

Interesting to see the cost and the timing of the availability of the new camera. IMO the price should be near or slightly lower than the 6D. Pricing it higher may lessen the number of buyers who would consider that camera myself included.

Also could someone help explain the "CF, UDMA mode 7 + SD, UHS-I" combo. Are the CF cards needed to allow the storage of the 10 fps? Is one better for video than the other? Just curious why not both CF or both SD.
 
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#35
pknight said:
CR,

Can you provide some clarification about the meaning of "lens electronic MF"? Does MF here refer to manual focus or micro-focus? I have seen both meanings speculated about in another thread.

A new battery is great if it improves performance, but I'm looking at my four 7D batteries, wishing I could use them if and when I upgrade.
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It is almost certain that the LP-E6N battery will just be a slightly larger capacity battery than the LP-E6 and that you will be able to use your old batteries in the new camera.
 
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#39
Lee Jay said:
Canon Rumors said:
No WiFi
Can sync time between 7D II cameras.
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These two make little sense to me. What communication method do they use to do this if not WiFi? And just having them both sync to GPS doesn't count!
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Be careful... you are trying to use common sense on a rumour..... you might as well be asking why a camera with a fixed screen for robustness would have a pop-up flash?
 
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