A Rundown of Canon at Photokina

[gjones5252]

From the photographer part of my job- the 7d2 sounds pretty awesome! I honestly never expected this camera to be the high megapixel one. So 20 megapixels at 10fps with good ISO sound like a great deal to me. I am excited and may buy it!

From the videographer part of my job- seriously? We need 4k in not a 10000$ body. I think canon was caught off guard by the gh4 and a7s. For anyone who says that they don't want to cut in on their 1dc sales is not thinking. If that were the case then a 60d wouldn't have 18 megapixels like the 1dx. Thre are other features- base ISO, recording codec, fps , etc.

This may make me buy something that has 4k on it from another brand as long as I can use ef mount. I am hoping to be surprised by this anncouncement and get 4k. But I am also not just sitting at my computer refreshing canons news page.

 

[Lawliet]

Re: A Rundown of Canon at Photokina / spot metering

I suppose I am confusing a "spot meter"proper, with camera spot metering.

Yes, its about the changeable lenses, how the in camera meter works and how weird a fixed angle meter with different focal lengths would handle if it worked.
In cameras the size of the spot meter is given as the percentage of the area of the viewfinder area sampled.
Well, either that or as the diameter of the metered circle, making it easier to put it relation to width/height. (Just rememder that not all sensors are 36x24mm²)

 

[CANONisOK]

I would love for that to be the reason for the delay in the 100-400mm update. Despite the Tamron's obvious flaws I would think they've carved quite a little corner in the not-insanely expensive supertelezoom market.
Do I think that is the actual reason? Unfortunately no. I think Canon is just content with the offering they have so far and have yet to feel the pinch/need to respond yet.

Canon's lens development cycles (except for maybe their 18-55 crop kit lenses) are long and carefully planned out. I'd be stunned if they'd go back to the drawing board on a lens that was pretty far along just based on one competitive offering.

I suppose it might happen if Nikon really hit it out of the park on a pro staple lens like a 24-70 or 70-200, but redirecting / setting new goals on a lens is a massive disruption to many people, materials and dollars that already have momentum in one direction. I really doubt Canon does this very often unless it's very early in the development effort.

I think we're in agreement here. The response I'm talking about is their response to slowing sales of their current offering. Not necessarily from a Sigma, Tammy, or other 3rd party lens offering.

However, it would be sweet to see what Canon could do with a somewhat similar zoom range as the Tammy (something like 200-500mm, for example) that doesn't cost $12k. Maybe that's one we can look forward to seeing at Photokina 2020.

 

[dolina]

I am so looking forward to the new 7D and new L lenses.

 

[Lee Jay]

However, it would be sweet to see what Canon could do with a somewhat similar zoom range as the Tammy (something like 200-500mm, for example) that doesn't cost $12k. Maybe that's one we can look forward to seeing at Photokina 2020.

I still say they don't need that. They just need a 100-400L II that's sharp on the high pixel density crop cameras with a 1.4x TC attached, and they need the crop cameras to have f/8 AF points (like the 5DIII and the rumored 7DII have). The Tamron isn't really much more than a 560/8 anyway, since it's soft at 600mm and f/6.3.

 

[Etienne]

I hope Canon has more than this to offer. Maybe an EOS-M III / Pro, the mythical 100-400, a 50 1.4 IS, a C100mkII, a XF300mkII (XF400?)

 

[ikral]

Oh yes, a 50mm f1.4 (or even f2.0) IS on par with the new 35 f2 IS would be extremely nice.

 

[CarlMillerPhoto]

From the photographer part of my job- the 7d2 sounds pretty awesome! I honestly never expected this camera to be the high megapixel one. So 20 megapixels at 10fps with good ISO sound like a great deal to me. I am excited and may buy it!

From the videographer part of my job- seriously? We need 4k in not a 10000$ body. I think canon was caught off guard by the gh4 and a7s. For anyone who says that they don't want to cut in on their 1dc sales is not thinking. If that were the case then a 60d wouldn't have 18 megapixels like the 1dx. Thre are other features- base ISO, recording codec, fps , etc.

This may make me buy something that has 4k on it from another brand as long as I can use ef mount. I am hoping to be surprised by this anncouncement and get 4k. But I am also not just sitting at my computer refreshing canons news page.

Canon doesn't want to admit there are professional filmmakers out there using DSLR & mirrorless cameras for serious work. It's a real market that has developed (ironically, thanks to Canon), but that market is not going to move up to Canon's overpriced cinema line; there's just no reason to with what Sony and Panasonic are doing. The 7D II sounds like a fine camera. Nothing amazing, but fine. It will sell to photographers. I wouldn't mine one for photography purposes. But those interested in video are already spending money elsewhere, me included. The A7s is my new love. Not only does it take all my EF glass, but I can adapt FD glass on it as well (which you can't even do with Canon's current DSLRs). "If you don't cannibalize yourself, someone else will." - Steve Jobs. It's already happened for video.

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

but even for that lower standard, this is close, but I guess the new territory is full on 1 series level AF and the innovative tech is the DPAF from the 7D and we can forget 4k or new levels of sensor performance so yeah I guess it fits, but then again wouldn't 1 series AF and 10fps vs 8fps simply be better specs? Of course I suppose almost anything would (other than say when 5D2 introduced video, that was new territory)

It could also include something to do with that "Lens electronic MF", whatever that is, or time synchronizing. Maybe even the servo AF in video is sufficiently improved over the 70D to be considered "innovative".

We'll find out when they announce it, I suppose.

Yeah there were some rumors that the servo video AF would be ground-breaking and some others that said it worked so quickly it could even assist regular stills AF and would have time to peak and make a final adjust to always perfect (seem like it would have to induce some sort of delay or pre-frame shot or something though, no?)

 

[Ruined]

7D2 looks nice, lets see the price.

Not so enthused with the lenses, aside from the 400 DO IS II which is cool - but a prime focal length I'd never buy.

Lenses I was hoping for that I thought maybe at least one of being announced was a very real possibility:
EF 35mm f/1.4L II
EF 85mm f/1.8 IS
EF 135mm f/2L II

Lens I look forward to but I know have little remote possibility of being announced until 2016+:
EF 85mm f/1.2L III

Lens I'd be very surprised if not announced:
EF 50mm f/1.8 IS
EF 100-400mm f/5.6L II

Body I'd like to see announced:
5D4 with interchangeable focus screen and ISO performance as good or better than 6D.

 

[KacperP]

If "Lens Electronic MF" means "Lens Electronic Manual Focus" I imagine that it could be manual control of focus using electronic controls in body... Perhaps "Follow Focus" function in body itself?
You don't flip switch on lens to "Manual", just to electronic override.

One moment you use DPAF in video shot, and when you want to take over focus, then you could do it at any point, and get back to auto seamlessly.

 

[mkabi]

No WiFi
Can sync time between 7D II cameras.

These two make little sense to me. What communication method do they use to do this if not WiFi? And just having them both sync to GPS doesn't count!

I think its time sync in post?
You can sync video footage and/or pictures taken from multiple angles with the 7DII??

As for the line of lenses... sounds rather redundant...
Is that really what Canon's Market research is telling them? That these lenses are the most wanted and since it is easy/cheap to make, we can sell them in the boat loads.

 

[Loswr]

If "Lens Electronic MF" means "Lens Electronic Manual Focus" I imagine that it could be manual control of focus using electronic controls in body... Perhaps "Follow Focus" function in body itself?
You don't flip switch on lens to "Manual", just to electronic override.

One moment you use DPAF in video shot, and when you want to take over focus, then you could do it at any point, and get back to auto seamlessly.

http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=22512.msg432731#msg432731

 

[JonAustin]

If by "S" series, you mean similar to the S-100 or S-120, then I'd be interested in a large-sensor'ed version. I have the S-100 and it's a nice little pocket camera, though obviously, the small sensor has some limitations as far as latitude goes.

Same here. My wife has been carrying an S95 for the past 3 years, and I'd like to replace it with something in the same form factor with significantly better quality. But if it's priced above $500, I won't be able to tell her what it cost, or she won't want to carry it!

There's nothing in this announcement for me. I was hoping for a 100-400 II, but since that looks doubtful at this point, I'll keep my cash in my wallet. My next purchase will probably be a 16-35/4, when they drop a couple hundred more dollars (unless I encounter a real need for one in the meantime).

 

[KacperP]

If "Lens Electronic MF" means "Lens Electronic Manual Focus" I imagine that it could be manual control of focus using electronic controls in body... Perhaps "Follow Focus" function in body itself?
You don't flip switch on lens to "Manual", just to electronic override.

One moment you use DPAF in video shot, and when you want to take over focus, then you could do it at any point, and get back to auto seamlessly.

http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=22512.msg432731#msg432731

Yes, yes, I have read it.
But does it work in video? What controls you use for manual "by wire" focusing? Why USM only?
I wish I had the opportunity to check myself, but reviews I read indicate that this "focus by wire" from 1DX and 5D3 aren't even half way towards manual "follow focus" functionality. Perhaps reviews were wrong, but I haven't seen follow focus accessories being replaced in 1DX and 5D3 setups.
I've read about touch control for aperture in 5D3. I imagine this could be done for 7D2 + touch control for focus.

 

[MtAssholePhotography]

and this is the hyped 7D?

LOL......

what about the fantastic video features?

 

[Loswr]

If "Lens Electronic MF" means "Lens Electronic Manual Focus" I imagine that it could be manual control of focus using electronic controls in body... Perhaps "Follow Focus" function in body itself?
You don't flip switch on lens to "Manual", just to electronic override.

One moment you use DPAF in video shot, and when you want to take over focus, then you could do it at any point, and get back to auto seamlessly.

http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=22512.msg432731#msg432731

Yes, yes, I have read it.
But does it work in video? What controls you use for manual "by wire" focusing? Why USM only?
I wish I had the opportunity to check myself, but reviews I read indicate that this "focus by wire" from 1DX and 5D3 aren't even half way towards manual "follow focus" functionality. Perhaps reviews were wrong, but I haven't seen follow focus accessories being replaced in 1DX and 5D3 setups.
I've read about touch control for aperture in 5D3. I imagine this could be done for 7D2 + touch control for focus.

I think you're making more of this than warranted. It's not a follow focus. 'Focus by wire' = electronic MF is the way some lenses are designed. Electronic MF just means when you turn the focus ring on the lens, instead of driving the focus group physically, turning the ring drives an electronic actuator that signals the autofocus motor to move the focus group. That means electronic MF needs power from the camera to focus. A few USM lenses and all STM lenses are electronic MF.

The 'feature' listed in this spec list is merely a setting to disable electronic MF (on those few lenses that use it), if desired. The setting only applies if one of those few lenses is mounted.

On all bodies, setting the AF/MF switch on the lens to MF turns off the electronic MF. On a couple of bodies, and soon the 7DII/X based on this rumor, you can use the camera menu to do the same thing. Even if AF is turned on, moving the focus ring would do nothing. Search the 1D X or 5DIII manual for "lens electronic".

 

[pknight]

Can you provide some clarification about the meaning of "lens electronic MF"? Does MF here refer to manual focus or micro-focus? I have seen both meanings speculated about in another thread.

I've also seen that speculation. It refers to manual focus. People would love an automated AFMA like FoCal provides, IIRC Canon had a patent of that sort, but who knows if it'll ever see the light of day given that Canon sort of recommends against doing AFMA in their manual, possibly becuase of the implication that it corrects a 'problem'.

In this case, "Lens Electronic MF" is merely a setting that allows you to enable or disable the electronic manual focus of lenses which utilize electronic MF (aka focus-by-wire) – the 85L I and II, some of the old non-IS supertele lenses, a couple of others with USM, and I suppose the new STM lenses as well. I'm not even sure why CR Guy called it out with a bullet point. It's a 'feature' that both the 5DIII and 1D X have, as well.

Thanks. It's too bad that MFA can't be automated in some fashion, especially since it can so easily be reset. The ML implementation of Dot-Tune works well, but it might be years before ML comes to the new camera, if at all.

 

[pknight]

However, it would be sweet to see what Canon could do with a somewhat similar zoom range as the Tammy (something like 200-500mm, for example) that doesn't cost $12k. Maybe that's one we can look forward to seeing at Photokina 2020.

I still say they don't need that. They just need a 100-400L II that's sharp on the high pixel density crop cameras with a 1.4x TC attached, and they need the crop cameras to have f/8 AF points (like the 5DIII and the rumored 7DII have). The Tamron isn't really much more than a 560/8 anyway, since it's soft at 600mm and f/6.3.

Well, I stop my Tamron down a fraction of a stop to f/8, and it is very sharp at 600mm. I have had the 100-400 for years, and it is going up for sale. When a new 100-400 comes out I expect it to be priced north of $2500, which will only increase demand for the Tamron.

 

[Loswr]

Can you provide some clarification about the meaning of "lens electronic MF"? Does MF here refer to manual focus or micro-focus? I have seen both meanings speculated about in another thread.

I've also seen that speculation. It refers to manual focus. People would love an automated AFMA like FoCal provides, IIRC Canon had a patent of that sort, but who knows if it'll ever see the light of day given that Canon sort of recommends against doing AFMA in their manual, possibly becuase of the implication that it corrects a 'problem'.

In this case, "Lens Electronic MF" is merely a setting that allows you to enable or disable the electronic manual focus of lenses which utilize electronic MF (aka focus-by-wire) – the 85L I and II, some of the old non-IS supertele lenses, a couple of others with USM, and I suppose the new STM lenses as well. I'm not even sure why CR Guy called it out with a bullet point. It's a 'feature' that both the 5DIII and 1D X have, as well.

Thanks. It's too bad that MFA can't be automated in some fashion, especially since it can so easily be reset. The ML implementation of Dot-Tune works well, but it might be years before ML comes to the new camera, if at all.

Try FoCal. Semi-auto for 5DIII/1DX (limitation is the Canon SDK), full auto for the newer 6D so hopefully for the 7DII/X.