A Rundown of EOS 7D Mark II Information
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Exactly! 8)neuroanatomist said:
Agreed East Wind! 8)Sounds like an excellent marketing strategy to me.
I'm glad I pre-ordered my 7D MK II 18 months ago... I can't wait for it to get here. :
and it sounds to me that it's like the original 7D from a marketing standpoint.. It'll be ground breaking for what segment it represents... Just like the original! Wildlife & Bird photogs are going to love it!! I know I will! Again, so glad I pre-ordered! :
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I think it unlikely the price will be north of $3k, regardless of its features and build. The rumours of $2000-2500 seem about right--much higher than any APS-C camera ever, but not into APS-H or full-frame territory. I think if it was going to be 1DIV price point, it would have a APS-H or full frame sensor. Lots of people (myself included) willing to pony up $2500 for a superb APS-C camera. Get into 1D series pricing, might as well buy a 1DX (or whatever replaces it)!
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Since we are all having fun predicting...
7D should be less expensive than a 1D BUT - Canon has become greedy the last couple years and they are playing this launch a lot like Apple. They are trying to get the market in a frenzy by holding back info and tempting everyone with small tidbits of data. So it will be expensive I'm afraid. I predict $2799 to $2999. Half the the price of the 1DX and close but not above the 5D3. I would love it to be less but from what they are saying, it won't be. And people will still buy it, esp if it actually works and lives up to the hype by 80% or more. (Like the 5D3 did.)
I've decided that while WiFi (bigger loss) and Touchscreen would be missed, it wouldn't kill it for me. But without those, I think Canon should be careful how close to the moon they make the price.
If it has no pop-up flash with a 1D type metal top (meaning no GPS either, sorry) then again, they better not kill us with the price. I also want RT flash control built in, esp if there is no pop up flash. It's about time this feature is built-in on every camera Canon makes.
With cinema being such a big deal lately at Canon, I think the 7D2 will be a video powerhouse which will likely make it very expensive, maybe even above $3000. Which will likely put me out of the running since all I want are the specs we've heard so far, faster fps, solid build and spectacular sensor.
If the camera magically comes in under $2500, I'll buy it soon. If not, I'll probably just get a 70D and wait a year or more unless the X-mas deals are incredible.
7D should be less expensive than a 1D BUT - Canon has become greedy the last couple years and they are playing this launch a lot like Apple. They are trying to get the market in a frenzy by holding back info and tempting everyone with small tidbits of data. So it will be expensive I'm afraid. I predict $2799 to $2999. Half the the price of the 1DX and close but not above the 5D3. I would love it to be less but from what they are saying, it won't be. And people will still buy it, esp if it actually works and lives up to the hype by 80% or more. (Like the 5D3 did.)
I've decided that while WiFi (bigger loss) and Touchscreen would be missed, it wouldn't kill it for me. But without those, I think Canon should be careful how close to the moon they make the price.
If it has no pop-up flash with a 1D type metal top (meaning no GPS either, sorry) then again, they better not kill us with the price. I also want RT flash control built in, esp if there is no pop up flash. It's about time this feature is built-in on every camera Canon makes.
With cinema being such a big deal lately at Canon, I think the 7D2 will be a video powerhouse which will likely make it very expensive, maybe even above $3000. Which will likely put me out of the running since all I want are the specs we've heard so far, faster fps, solid build and spectacular sensor.
If the camera magically comes in under $2500, I'll buy it soon. If not, I'll probably just get a 70D and wait a year or more unless the X-mas deals are incredible.
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Lee Jay said:
Depends on what you shoot. For those of us that shoot sports, wildlife, other fast action, then we would be missing out on a VASTLY improved AF system in the likes of 1DX and 5D3. The 7D doesnt even come close to being able to track as well as the new systems can. If you shoot landscapes, weddings, products, then all of that doesn't really matter.
I am honestly very tired of dealing with the 7D system which for what I need is really lacking. I have found myself using my 5DIII and just dealing with the crop. I cant afford to spend 5K on a wildlife trip and throw away half of my shots because the AF cant cut it.
I am envious of those like yourself that have been able to keep the old tech working for you.
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People shouldn't be defensive toward 7D II that may have build quality on par with a 1D. It will in no way take away from the 1D X, they will be two different animals.
When Canon released the 1D X and discontinued the 1D IV it disappointed many wildlife and sports photographers. It is not out of the realm of possibility that a 7D II is intended to fill the void left by the 1D IV.
It would lack the same thing the 1D IV lacked, a full frame sensor.
Going forward the 1D designation will be for FF bodies only, Canon will never again name a crop sensor body with a 1.
5D will be of less build quality and still have a higher number on the line, only because Canon holds the FF sensor in higher regard.
A 7D with the same type of build as a quality as a 1D, very possible. Canon will still hold it in lower regard because it is a crop sensor.
When Canon released the 1D X and discontinued the 1D IV it disappointed many wildlife and sports photographers. It is not out of the realm of possibility that a 7D II is intended to fill the void left by the 1D IV.
It would lack the same thing the 1D IV lacked, a full frame sensor.
Going forward the 1D designation will be for FF bodies only, Canon will never again name a crop sensor body with a 1.
5D will be of less build quality and still have a higher number on the line, only because Canon holds the FF sensor in higher regard.
A 7D with the same type of build as a quality as a 1D, very possible. Canon will still hold it in lower regard because it is a crop sensor.
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roxics said:
I second this. My 7D is an incredible camera already. As you said, if you can't take a good picture with any camera made within the last 5 years, you suck as a photographer. There's very few places this camera can really improve for photography, but video has a lot of room for growth. Even within that, though, the 7D already contains the hardware ability to do things like custom resolutions and frame rates (magic lantern allows this), but the stock firmware won't let it.
As a user who primarily uses my 7D for video, the no-WIFI thing makes me nearly completely uninterested in this camera. I've specifically been waiting for the ability to monitor using my phone, even going as far as buying an extra phone in anticipation of this feature (I use it with my GoPro currently). I don't need a few more pixels, I need more built-in video functionality that doesn't require buying a bunch of stuff to bolt to the side of my camera.
They complained it was difficult to figure out where to put the antenna. However, they could have put one in the plastic flash housing, in the perimeter bezel around the main LCD or top display, near (or even in) the CF/SD card slot, somewhere behind the rubber grip, or near the ports on the side. A creative engineer could even have figured out a "window" of some sort. A combination of any two of these spots would provide adequate coverage, but this is really about milking the accessories market. Unfortunately, I refuse to pay them 400+ bucks for what is probably a 5 dollar Foxconn 802.11 card in a fancy housing.
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roxics said:
Even though I have no interest in video, I have to agree with this. The improvement curve for still photography is getting a bit flat.
The problem is that Canon, like any camera manufacturer, stays in business by convincing/showing its customer base that they need to buy a newer model. No camera manufacturer wants to build the "ultimate" camera.
For the still photography base, what will the manufacturers be able to "improve" to convince me to buy another body? Any improvement offered has to be significantly different/better to convince me to stick a crowbar in my wallet.
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RustyTheGeek said:
I concur. I'm hoping for $2000-2500, but it could go as high as 3 grand and still keep the same base of users. The only way I can see if go north of that by much is if (and that's a big IF) the new sensor actually matches the IQ/noise performance of the APS-H cameras like the 1D IV or the older full-frame like the 5D II. Or, if it comes close to the IQ/ISO performance of the 5D III. I'm not techie enough to comment on that, but plenty of the more technical members have given fairly comprehensive explanations of why that is very unlikely, even with new ground-breaking sensor technology.
IMHO, it breaks down to this--if the camera can deliver amazing AF, build, frame-rate and buffer and at least match the IQ of other APS-C cameras, then it will be "worth" it to many wildlife/sports/action shooters at $2,000-$3,000. In order to be "worth" significantly more than $3,000, it would need to have all those other features and have IQ that significantly exceeds all other APS-C sensors, with a performance on-par with the APS-H sensor. In effect, I think it would need to match the IQ of the 1D IV to command a 1D IV price-point. As to what the final price is, that will hinge heavily on the IQ the new sensor can deliver. If it's merely very good "APS-C" quality, then it's probable that it will be less than $3,000. Significantly better than other APS-C IQ, then it will be north of $3,000.
If it's north of 3k, then I'm out, at least till the price drops. Only difference is that I'll keep my 7D rather than looking at the 70D! 8) A second-hand 1D IV also becomes an attractive option, especially if their prices drop when the 7D II comes out! ;D
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Etienne said:
You are correct. But it was the 7D that was the first to have all of the frame rates and resolutions that became standard on all Canon cameras thereafter. The 5DII was at first limited because Canon didn't know video would be a hit. The 7D was launched with full video support.
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I'll be waiting on this one, not because of specs, but because my finances dictate that I won't be replacing my 7D until early 2016. I should be up to 110K exposures by then, which seems like a good point to make it may backup body. Who knows, maybe by that time Canon will have come out with a 50MP camera with a built in coffeemaker and a unicorn for $500. ;D
In any event, it looks like I will have to have plenty of napkins on hand to wipe away the drool for the next 18 months.
In any event, it looks like I will have to have plenty of napkins on hand to wipe away the drool for the next 18 months.
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Although video is not my "thing," and I don't agree (at all!) with the assessment that stills cameras cannot benefit from technological improvements, I do appreciate the videographers' desire for new features for their needs. Not much has been said about the 7D II in terms of video lately, so it's a huge question mark. That being said the fact that the new sensor is DPAF is certainly a benefit to AF in video, but I'm a bit surprised at the lack of a touch-screen, given how useful it is for rack focussing the 70D's DPAF video.
For myself, not really being into video much (use it sparingly) and I've always tended to use "Quick" focus for live-view shooting, the absence of a touch screen is a surprise, but it was never more than a tertiary feature for my usage. Do our video enthusiast members have any input on this news? If I was into video, I think the absence of a touch screen to change focus would be a big deal and I'm wondering if this is disquieting news for the video crowd?
For myself, not really being into video much (use it sparingly) and I've always tended to use "Quick" focus for live-view shooting, the absence of a touch screen is a surprise, but it was never more than a tertiary feature for my usage. Do our video enthusiast members have any input on this news? If I was into video, I think the absence of a touch screen to change focus would be a big deal and I'm wondering if this is disquieting news for the video crowd?
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Don't forget that earlier reports mentioned the new sensor technology would be applied to other products following this release. It is likely that the 5D Mk IV and maybe a new EOS-1 will follow this release to add the new goodies. The leapfrog effect happens often just as many of the features of the 70D leapfrogged over the 7D (not all features). The 7D replacement is first and afterall, why mess with your top cameras. Make sure it works on the 7D before you mess with the 5D and 1D. Makes sense to me.
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