An Update to the EOS 70D Coming Soon? [CR1]

[mrsfotografie]

I think you hit the nail on the head. In an effort to reduce costs and keep profits up as they did with the 18mp sensor.

This could make sense, however it may be just about a firmware upgrade only. Something that will release extra features like the 7D firmware at the time.

 

[9VIII]

Re: An Update to the EOS 70D Coming? [CR1]

The 6D is already the same price as the 7D2 (or less), and the 7D already breaks the idea of "single digit = FF". The 6D2 is "moving upmarket" which makes sense given that it's probably just going to be a wi-fi enabled 5D3.
With the 7D filling the "high end crop" space, and the 760D effectively taking the same space as the 70D, really there's no need to make another xxD body ever again.
Or they could use that space to launch their $1,000 full frame body.

There's plenty of room between 70D and 7DII for one body (90D would possibly do the same as 70D did with 7D, as in it could be almost 7DII). 760D is a bit like 70D but then again.. it's not even close, pentamirror, crappy buffer and slow burst, just to mention a few. Also you couldn't really make that FF camera have worse specs than 70D, which means that it would possibly be even better spec'd than 6DII with at least 7fps, flippy screen, good buffer, semi-weathersealed, for example.

I suppose that 6DII is best candidate for being your "FF 80D", or even current 5DIII.

There's no reason a full frame 80D needs to have amazing AF, people will still be comparing it with the 5D2 and 6D. That's basically the performance standard it needs to hit.

 

[StudentOfLight]

It could be that they just want to move to one sensor so they dont have to produce that one anymore.

I think you hit the nail on the head. In an effort to reduce costs and keep profits up as they did with the 18mp sensor.

This could make sense, however it may be just about a firmware upgrade only. Something that will release extra features like the 7D firmware at the time.

I don't have a 70D, so I'm wondering what kinds of firmware goodness could be unlocked?

 

[kaptainkatsu]

Re: An Update to the EOS 70D Coming? [CR1]

Perhaps they are trying to delay running out of names for xxD cameras? They only have 80D and 90D left.

Never fear, there are weird ways to get around running out of numbers. Look at Porsche for example and their 911 chassis codes. 911, 930, 964, 993, 996, 997, 991.

Canon could drop back down to 15D and continue on for the next 10 years, 15D, 25D, 35D, 45D... or go into the x000D series. Maybe make the x0D series into the x000D and since the x00D series is also running out of numbers, either make the global numbering system into xT[s/i] or x500D or vice versa.

 

[9VIII]

Re: An Update to the EOS 70D Coming? [CR1]

Perhaps they are trying to delay running out of names for xxD cameras? They only have 80D and 90D left.

Never fear, there are weird ways to get around running out of numbers. Look at Porsche for example and their 911 chassis codes. 911, 930, 964, 993, 996, 997, 991.

Canon could drop back down to 15D and continue on for the next 10 years, 15D, 25D, 35D, 45D... or go into the x000D series. Maybe make the x0D series into the x000D and since the x00D series is also running out of numbers, either make the global numbering system into xT[s/i] or x500D or vice versa.

Maybe they can adopt the higher end naming and just make a 70DMkII?
Since the 7D is always going to be the 7D, maybe the "next model down" sports crop body can just always be called the 70D.
And then they could make a 50DMkII to be a high resolution landscape oriented crop body (or full frame?), and then a 10D that's just a 70D with an integrated grip.

 

[crashpc]

While low end already has pathetic FPS, buffer depth, very inferior focusing system, less control, why not to do sub $1000 "black box" with sensor in eos M style? Is the plastic body where you break down? I don't nelleve so.

28 Mpx old tech sensor, simple box with basic controls, and a touch screen.
If they could do that with M10, why not alao breath fresh air into FF ground?

I mean nobody would wonder about pathetic 3.7FPS burst rate with buffer depth of 7 images. That's already normal with Canon.

 

[mrsfotografie]

It could be that they just want to move to one sensor so they dont have to produce that one anymore.

I think you hit the nail on the head. In an effort to reduce costs and keep profits up as they did with the 18mp sensor.

This could make sense, however it may be just about a firmware upgrade only. Something that will release extra features like the 7D firmware at the time.

I don't have a 70D, so I'm wondering what kinds of firmware goodness could be unlocked?

I also don't have a 70D but Canon does limit some models' functionality through the firmware according their product placement strategy. 7D firmware 2.0 for instance included improved continuous-shooting buffer depth (to 25 Raws, up from the original 15), customizable Auto ISO, control of audio recording level for video and the ability to re-process Raws and rate images in-camera. The EOS-M got an update that significantly increased AF speed, etc.

 

[AvTvM]

Re: An Update to the EOS 70D Coming? [CR1]

Perhaps they are trying to delay running out of names for xxD cameras? They only have 80D and 90D left.

end of Canon camera naming scheme fits in very well with some ancient predictions ... regarding the end of the DSLR world ... also referred to as MIRRORSLAPPER ARMAGEDDON ... repent you optical-viewfinder sinners, the end is near ... I can see it coming ... the number of the beast ... is written on the wall ... EOS 99D and EOS Rebel 999D ... they shall be the last of their kind upon earth ... we shall gather out of our imaging kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; and shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth [see Mt 13:41-42] ... as the new kingdom of mirrorless cameras cometh ... and we shall see the light unobstructed by smoke and mirrors in its path ... in astounding silence, free of thrashing mirrors ... no more vibrations spoiling our images of tranquil landscapes ... the terrible curse of micro-AF-adjustment that has plagued us for so long shall be revoked ... refracting glass prisms and humps before our eyes shall be taken away ... relieved of our daily burden ... no more heavy loads of imaging gear to carry to even the most remote places on earth ... eternal bliss shall be ours ... Amen! ;D

 

[candc]

It could be that they just want to move to one sensor so they dont have to produce that one anymore.

I think you hit the nail on the head. In an effort to reduce costs and keep profits up as they did with the 18mp sensor.

This could make sense, however it may be just about a firmware upgrade only. Something that will release extra features like the 7D firmware at the time.

I don't have a 70D, so I'm wondering what kinds of firmware goodness could be unlocked?

the af point selection is limited to 3 modes now. spot and expansion modes could be unlocked. possibly improved auto iso functionality and an improvement to the buffer capacity?

 

[Jet20]

I agree with those that this is merely about consolidating sensor production processes - replacing a 20 MP sensor with crappy high ISO by an even crappier 24 MP sensor makes zero sense!

Will we ever get a crop camera with LESS megapixels and MORE sensitivity?

 

[crashpc]

Jet20: It would be nice to have both. 12Mpx crop camera, and also 32Mpx crop camera.

 

[Orangutan]

Re: An Update to the EOS 70D Coming? [CR1]

repent you optical-viewfinder sinners, the end is near ...

... eternal bliss shall be ours ... Amen! ;D

I'm willing to consider conversion to your faith as soon as someone resolves some very serious concerns in your Scriptural Books of "Battery Life", "EVF Lag," and "Tracking Focus," as well as multiple oddments in both books of "Ergonomics."

 

[privatebydesign]

Will we ever get a crop camera with LESS megapixels and MORE sensitivity?

Jet20: It would be nice to have both. 12Mpx crop camera, and also 32Mpx crop camera.

We are a minority in Canon Rumors. :-\
But I also want to have my choice an APS-C 12 megapixel camera with optimal performance in ISO3200, and another model 30 megapixel to printing on large size.

Just downsample, it has been demonstrated time and time again to be as close as makes no difference to the same thing when done with same generation sensors.

Look at the 5DS/R downsampled to 5D MkIII etc etc.

 

[ajfotofilmagem]

Jet20: It would be nice to have both. 12Mpx crop camera, and also 32Mpx crop camera.

We are a minority in Canon Rumors. :-\
But I also want to have my choice an APS-C 12 megapixel camera with optimal performance in ISO3200, and another model 30 megapixel to printing on large size.

 

[Orangutan]

I agree with those that this is merely about consolidating sensor production processes - replacing a 20 MP sensor with crappy high ISO by an even crappier 24 MP sensor makes zero sense!

Will we ever get a crop camera with LESS megapixels and MORE sensitivity?

I have 70D and like it very much. Though I would like more high ISO, not at the expense of MP for cropping.

It's always puzzling how posters seem offended that Canon isn't giving them exactly the camera they want. You people need to realize that you are the minority. Canon does market research, they know what sells, as do Nikon. Sony has made a few people happy with their "S" mirrorless cameras, but it's a niche product (I think of them as paparazzi cameras).

Low MP is basically dead, except for a few niche products. No big profits will be made from low MP sensors, and that tells the story.

 

[ashmadux]

replacing a 20 MP sensor with crappy high ISO by an even crappier 24 MP sensor makes zero sense!

Wait, wha?

Neither of the sensors are crappy by any means....well, unless you a re a sony fanboy

 

[EOBeav]

Neither of the sensors are crappy by any means....

I've been saying this for a long time: If you can't put a good lens in front of a currently produced Rebel and come out with a nice image, the problem isn't the equipment.

 

[ajfotofilmagem]

Neither of the sensors are crappy by any means....

I've been saying this for a long time: If you can't put a good lens in front of a currently produced Rebel and come out with a nice image, the problem isn't the equipment.

In fact, I can not complain about the image quality of my 70D, up to ISO1600. Obviously, I'd like ISO6400 had less noise, but I know at this price point, 70D performs well.

For those who only use ISO100, underexpose 5 stops, and then lift the shadows, the problem is NOT the camera ... :

 

[Plainsman]

I agree with those that this is merely about consolidating sensor production processes - replacing a 20 MP sensor with crappy high ISO by an even crappier 24 MP sensor makes zero sense!

Will we ever get a crop camera with LESS megapixels and MORE sensitivity?

...plenty of 20Ds on the market ideal for you!

 

[unfocused]

It seems like people are misreading this rumor. When Craig mentions a 70Da, I believe he is referencing a replacement for the 60Da (as in Astro) that was optimized for astro-photography.