An Update to the EOS 70D Coming Soon? [CR1]

[Luds34]

Interesting discussion so far.

I'm inclined to believe that if there's some sort of update to the 70D, it would be either a firmware update or a 70Da (for astrophotography, like the 60Da) -- in that order.

I'd hope it would be the former and that the firmware update would include exposure compensation for auto-ISO in manual mode.

In situations where light changes rapidly, I like to use auto-ISO with it limited to 1600. The downside is that it almost always over-exposes in outdoor situations. Because it's using ISO for the over-exposure, I get the double whammy of burned highlights and higher noise. If I could force it to dial back the exposure by a stop, that would really make life easier.

This is an interesting post. I don't think a lot of people use auto-ISO. I use a Fuji X100T for street photography with auto-ISO as the light conditions change rapidly and I don't want to fiddle with settings and miss a shot. I have it set to max ISO at 3200, min shutter speed of 125 and aperture priority usually set to f4.0 (sharpest for the lens). If the camera can't get good exposure at those settings, then it lowers the shutter speed until the exposure is correct. I have not had a problem with overexposure although it does have an exposure compensation setting or I will stop it down.

I am a huge Canon guy except for this camera, just so that is clear. And I am not bragging on the X100T. The thing I wanted to mention is that the auto-ISO is a nice feature for certain conditions. How the camera chooses to get it's settings, that is the algorithm, makes a difference. Basically I want it to pick the lowest ISO consistent with a minimum shutter speed of 125. It seems to do that.

In fairness you are talking two (slightly) different things. On your X-T1 you are speaking of using exposure compensation in "Av" mode. You set a min shutter but let the camera pick. The 70D can do that. It's when you kick it to full manual, locking in an aperture and a shutter speed, but leaving Auto ISO on, that the camera does not allow one to adjust exposure compensation. It's kind of a weakness of nearly the entire Canon line. It has long bothered me why they left that out. My understanding is one can do it on a 1Dx (and 5D3?).

 

[kaptainkatsu]

7d mark ii will let you exposure compensate auto iso

 

[Muttonhead]

"I will add that a known source has suggested that the EOS 7D Mark II will be the last of the “pro” APS-C cameras from Canon, take that for what its worth."

Yes I will take it for what it's worth. I own both a 7DMKII and a 5DMKIII. The cropped sensor camera still has a purpose next to a FF. My first DSLR was actually a FF 5D, a 50D actually came after. I initially poo pooed the idea of a cropped camera, but came to my senses.

I was at the Conowingo Dam today taking pics of Bald Eagles, along with probably another 100 photographers, no exaggeration. 1DX and the 7DMKII were the most popular camera. I was really surprised to see so many of them. I can definitely see a 7DMKIII down the road.

 

[kaptainkatsu]

I really hope canon doesn't get rid of the 7D series. I just got one and it blows the 70D out of the water in a sports shooting sense (which is what I primarily do.) I do prefer the 70D w/ML for video. The flip touch screen is really useful which the 7Dm2 omits (I understand the reasoning but a fixed touch screen would have been nice.) The 7D really has no competition and it would be a shame if it went away. But we are still 4ish years away from a refresh according to history.

 

[ahsanford]

I really hope canon doesn't get rid of the 7D series. I just got one and it blows the 70D out of the water in a sports shooting sense (which is what I primarily do.) I do prefer the 70D w/ML for video. The flip touch screen is really useful which the 7Dm2 omits (I understand the reasoning but a fixed touch screen would have been nice.) The 7D really has no competition and it would be a shame if it went away. But we are still 4ish years away from a refresh according to history.

It's also a strategic advantage for Canon to hang on to wildlife folks -- Nikon does not offer a similar high fps 'pro APS-C' rig.

- A

 

[Don Haines]

I really hope canon doesn't get rid of the 7D series. I just got one and it blows the 70D out of the water in a sports shooting sense (which is what I primarily do.) I do prefer the 70D w/ML for video. The flip touch screen is really useful which the 7Dm2 omits (I understand the reasoning but a fixed touch screen would have been nice.) The 7D really has no competition and it would be a shame if it went away. But we are still 4ish years away from a refresh according to history.

I hope that by the time the 7D3 comes out, the camera will have an articulated touchscreen interface and a decent WiFi ap that will allow you to mimic the screen from a phone (or tablet). Articulated screens are nice, but something not even attached to the camera gives even more freedom.....

 

[Toni]

At present, the DSLR technology is now obsolete due to the mirrorless cameras.
What people are expecting is that Canon and Nikon take out decent mirrorless cameras. M3 without a viewfinder or J1 with ridiculous sensor size sensor are not decent cameras.
New 80D, 5DS... are things of the past. It's like to try to sell film cameras where there are digital cameras. It's a nonsense.

 

[Orangutan]

At present, the DSLR technology is now obsolete due to the mirrorless cameras.

Except for battery life, fast/tracking autofocus and low-light focusing.

What people are expecting is that Canon and Nikon take out decent mirrorless cameras.

Which people? Please cite your sources. (hint: your mirror doesn't count).

 

[scyrene]

At present, the DSLR technology is now obsolete due to the mirrorless cameras.

Except for battery life, fast/tracking autofocus and low-light focusing.

And ergonomics for some applications. You're being generous responding like that - if this newcomer isn't a genuine troll, their views are so ridiculous and partial, and put forward in such unrealistic terms, they're indistinguishable from one.

 

[Orangutan]

At present, the DSLR technology is now obsolete due to the mirrorless cameras.

Except for battery life, fast/tracking autofocus and low-light focusing.

And ergonomics for some applications. You're being generous responding like that - if this newcomer isn't a genuine troll, their views are so ridiculous and partial, and put forward in such unrealistic terms, they're indistinguishable from one.

Yeah, I saw that it was first post, possibly a sock-puppet. I typically give potential trolls one free post before calling them out, in case it was a newbie error rather than true trolling.

 

[Toni]

Mirrorless is about no mirror. Mirrorless is not about small, not ergonomic... This is the first thing to understand.
And as digital was the future for the film, mirrorless is the (near) future of DSLR. That's easy to see.

 

[ahsanford]

Mirrorless is about no mirror. Mirrorless is not about small, not ergonomic... This is the first thing to understand.
And as digital was the future for the film, mirrorless is the (near) future of DSLR. That's easy to see.

This is a 70D update thread. A future 80D or 70Da will have a mirrror.

I respect your view, but please try to stay on topic. There are tons of mirrorless threads elsewhere on this forum.

- A

 

[Camerasheik]

I would think that there s plenty of latent ability within the 7Dmk2. All of that processing power really doesn't appear to be getting used.

I wonder (really hope so, I've got one) if the 7DMk2 will get a firmware update to improve it's performance. At the moment the 7D has just enough of a gap between it and the 5DMk3 to make the 5D still a viable choice. If the 7DMK2 had 1/2 a stop better noise / iso performance metering on any focus point, the 5DMK3 would be hard to justify except for the FF DOF benefit.

If the 5DMK4 has a useful performance gain over the MK3, that would give room to improve the 7DMK2 (keeping it competitive with Nikon in terms of noise) and in turn giving room to improve the 70D without it eating into 7DMK2 sales.

 

[ajfotofilmagem]

I would think that there s plenty of latent ability within the 7Dmk2. All of that processing power really doesn't appear to be getting used.

I wonder (really hope so, I've got one) if the 7DMk2 will get a firmware update to improve it's performance. At the moment the 7D has just enough of a gap between it and the 5DMk3 to make the 5D still a viable choice. If the 7DMK2 had 1/2 a stop better noise / iso performance metering on any focus point, the 5DMK3 would be hard to justify except for the FF DOF benefit.

If the 5DMK4 has a useful performance gain over the MK3, that would give room to improve the 7DMK2 (keeping it competitive with Nikon in terms of noise) and in turn giving room to improve the 70D without it eating into 7DMK2 sales.

The idle processing capacity would not make any difference in noise at high ISO when shooting in RAW, but it could help only in JPEG. The current Canon cameras already have better noise performance at high ISO, and second only to Nikon at low ISO, due to reading noise that can not be solved only with image processing.

Could be added some features that are not limited by the existing hardware. For example, increasing the frame rate per second, or video 1080 / 60P.

In case 70D, this feature could gain anti fliker, for example.

I believe 5D Mark VI will have a performance increase to 7 or 8 frames per second, and do not think 7D Mark II will cannibalize sales.

 

[Don Haines]

Mirrorless is about no mirror. Mirrorless is not about small, not ergonomic... This is the first thing to understand.
And as digital was the future for the film, mirrorless is the (near) future of DSLR. That's easy to see.

This is a 70D update thread. A future 80D or 70Da will have a mirrror.

I respect your view, but please try to stay on topic. There are tons of mirrorless threads elsewhere on this forum.

- A

It would be a very easy mod to make a 70D mirrorless.....

Take a set of pliers, grab mirror, break mirror off, use camera in live-view mode........

 

[ahsanford]

I would think that there s plenty of latent ability within the 7Dmk2. All of that processing power really doesn't appear to be getting used.

I wonder (really hope so, I've got one) if the 7DMk2 will get a firmware update to improve it's performance. At the moment the 7D has just enough of a gap between it and the 5DMk3 to make the 5D still a viable choice. If the 7DMK2 had 1/2 a stop better noise / iso performance metering on any focus point, the 5DMK3 would be hard to justify except for the FF DOF benefit.

If the 5DMK4 has a useful performance gain over the MK3, that would give room to improve the 7DMK2 (keeping it competitive with Nikon in terms of noise) and in turn giving room to improve the 70D without it eating into 7DMK2 sales.

I appreciate the 7D2 might have a little more to give under the hood horsepower-wise, but I see the 7D2 and 5D3 being sold to very different customers.

I am not saying a 5D3 can't shoot wildlife, and I am not saying a 7D2 can't shoot a wedding. There is certainly overlap in what they can do, but IMHO those cameras are aimed at different people.

- A

 

[scyrene]

Mirrorless is about no mirror. Mirrorless is not about small, not ergonomic... This is the first thing to understand.
And as digital was the future for the film, mirrorless is the (near) future of DSLR. That's easy to see.

The future of cameras is not ergonomic? Um :

 

[hmatthes]

I would be thrilled to see a 70D firmware update to overcome the ISO compensation complaints -- but even more important would be slightly better algorithms for noise reduction and dynamic range.
The 70D, as is, is my perfect APS-c camera except that I would lust for three "C" modes on the selector & fewer "auto gizmo" modes. Can't do that with firmware (unless they include a new knob! hint... hint... hint)
I don't think that I would buy a new 70D replacement when my 70D will absolutely compliment the 5D-whatever which will be my next purchase.
Mr. Canon: Take the best of the 70D & 7DII and put them into the 5D-IV and I'll order it on day one!