An Update to the EOS 70D Coming Soon? [CR1]

[Orangutan]

It seems like people are misreading this rumor.

Nope.

<ul>
<li>Same AF system as 70D</li>
<li>24 megapixel sensor with dual-pixel AF</li>
<li>A bit larger buffer</li>
<li>DIGIC 6.</li>
</ul>

A 70Da would probably not get an entirely new sensor, just one with modified filter in front of the sensor, and it certainly wouldn't require a larger buffer.

 

[Bennymiata]

I hope they won't get rid of DPAF.
It's a lifesaver for video, which is what I mainly use it for.

 

[Tom W]

I'm kind of envisioning a modest update to the 70D, with the newer sensor from the T6i body. Maybe some modest AF tweaks, etc., but I wouldn't expect a large amount of change.

My thought would be that it would have to come out very soon to be beneficial for the holiday/Christmas season.

 

[Zv]

I agree with those that this is merely about consolidating sensor production processes - replacing a 20 MP sensor with crappy high ISO by an even crappier 24 MP sensor makes zero sense!

Will we ever get a crop camera with LESS megapixels and MORE sensitivity?

I have 70D and like it very much. Though I would like more high ISO, not at the expense of MP for cropping.

It's always puzzling how posters seem offended that Canon isn't giving them exactly the camera they want. You people need to realize that you are the minority. Canon does market research, they know what sells, as do Nikon. Sony has made a few people happy with their "S" mirrorless cameras, but it's a niche product (I think of them as paparazzi cameras).

Low MP is basically dead, except for a few niche products. No big profits will be made from low MP sensors, and that tells the story.

Yup, sensors now are really good even at high ISO, regardless of how many MP there are. It doesn't seem to hinder high ISO that much. Plus the extra resolution is necessary these days with 4K screens and possibly higher res coming soon. And then the ability to crop the image and still get decent res out of it is beneficial to a lot to folk. 18 - 24MP seems standard anything less seems backwards. A few more wouldn't hurt at all.

 

[Don Haines]

If there is a new sensor them it will be a new model number, not an update....

An update is a firmware update.....

An update will be replacing background components for better performance (larger buffer, faster processor, etc)

Drastically changing primary specs (megapixels) means new manuals, software, advertising materials..... pretty well all the work that would be required of a new model release, yet they would take none of the advantages. There is no way the marketing people are not going to take advantage of that and let a new model release slip past without taking advantage of it....

 

[dufflover]

I really like my 70D, not sure what they would be willing to improve on in that model - knowing what the other products are around I mean. Sure, deeper buffer would be handy, maybe some of the 7D2 AF smarts even with fewer points, and the ever going DR/sensor debate (I'm all for more DR regardless ofcourse) but otherwise my view is kinda limited.
As for DPAF, yep definitely a fan, but if they replace it for another type of Live View AF that's on a different sensor like a 24MP then I don't really mind. As long as it's better/comparable they can call it whatever they want lol

 

[scyrene]

Will we ever get a crop camera with LESS megapixels and MORE sensitivity?

Jet20: It would be nice to have both. 12Mpx crop camera, and also 32Mpx crop camera.

We are a minority in Canon Rumors. :-\
But I also want to have my choice an APS-C 12 megapixel camera with optimal performance in ISO3200, and another model 30 megapixel to printing on large size.

Just downsample, it has been demonstrated time and time again to be as close as makes no difference to the same thing when done with same generation sensors.

Look at the 5DS/R downsampled to 5D MkIII etc etc.

Thank you for saying this!

 

[mkabi]

I will add that a known source has suggested that the EOS 7D Mark II will be the last of the “pro” APS-C cameras from Canon, take that for what its worth.

Read more: http://www.canonrumors.com#ixzz3remSG4ao

I will tell you this... its a sad day... when it comes down to this...
I was really hoping to see a 7DIII with some of the 1DXII's rumored specs, especially in the video department.

 

[whothafunk]

i dont believe that about the 7D2 being the last of its kind. it's too early to know something like that, besides it's a rumor and rumors usually miss than hit a target. the rumors of the upcoming 7D2 were all but wrong (1D body, 24MP, 1DX AF, etc etc) until last minute when it was like less than a month before announcement.

 

[tcmatthews]

I do not know how much stock I put in an update coming soon. Probably next year. But I hope it does not turnout to be a 7D II in a 70D body. That would suck because I just ordered a refurbished 7D II from Canon for $999 +tax.

I would prefer a 70D body.

 

[scyrene]

I will add that a known source has suggested that the EOS 7D Mark II will be the last of the “pro” APS-C cameras from Canon, take that for what its worth.

Read more: http://www.canonrumors.com#ixzz3remSG4ao

I will tell you this... its a sad day... when it comes down to this...
I was really hoping to see a 7DIII with some of the 1DXII's rumored specs, especially in the video department.

Lol a rumour of a rumour? I'd expect any future camera to be more capable in most ways than current ones. But to be disappointed that a theoretical model that's years away might not have the capabilities of a model we still don't know anything for sure about seems a bit... defeatist. Stay positive!

 

[Proscribo]

I do not know how much stock I put in an update coming soon. Probably next year. But I hope it does not turnout to be a 7D II in a 70D body. That would suck because I just ordered a refurbished 7D II from Canon for $999 +tax.

I would prefer a 70D body.

Don't worry, it's the 90D that's going to be 7DII in 70D-style body.

I've got 70D atm and kinda wish I had the money to buy 7DII instead of this last year. Not like 70D is a bad cam but hey, if there's something better of course you'd want to buy the better one! Especially 7D's AF system and speeed could prove useful for me.

 

[Luds34]

I do not know how much stock I put in an update coming soon. Probably next year. But I hope it does not turnout to be a 7D II in a 70D body. That would suck because I just ordered a refurbished 7D II from Canon for $999 +tax.

I would prefer a 70D body.

Haha, I don't think you need to worry. I think Canon has settled into 2 levels of ergonomics. The "pro" level you find on the 5D/7D with the joystick, the 3 buttons (sharing 2 uses) in front of the LCD on top, stronger, beefier, weather sealed body, etc. Then you have their enthusiast style body you see with the 60D/70D/6D. I'd expect a 70D successor to carry on that body style.

Of course I hope they stick with DPAF, I'm a fan.

 

[unfocused]

Ever since the first 7D came out, there have been rumors that the model would be dropped. Didn't happen. Instead Canon gave owners an essentially new model for free with the mid-life 7D firmware upgrade. When the 7DII came out it exceeded everyone's expectations. So now, once again we have the rumors that there won't be a 7DIII.

The funny thing is that even Canon has not decided the fate of the 7DIII at this point in the life of the 7DII. I take those kinds of statements simply as evidence that the person floating such a rumor doesn't really have any actual knowledge.

 

[bcflood]

There have been rumors that Nikon will announce a D400 along with their D5 announcement. I'd take that with a huge grain of salt, but if there is a little merit to it, I could see Canon trying to keep up in the crop specs. Canon could announce an 80D along side the 1DX Mk2. If the 80D has some increases in its buffer and low-light/AF performance, I'll be in line with my wallet ;D

 

[whothafunk]

Even if the above statement happens (D400 appears), it will probably be on par with the 7D2, let alone 70D. Canon won't make a 80D to be a direct competitor to the so called D400, because that would mean it has to roll out a better 7D2 DSLR which means 7D3. A 80D? Don't kid yourself.

 

[ahsanford]

My question on a 70D refresh rumor: leaving out the niche SL1 product, do we still need 4 price points in APS-C SLRs?

• The budget folks buy Rebels without 'i's, like the T5 / 1200D. A bare bones SLR. These don't get refreshed every year, but I believe this is a good seller overseas.
• The value folks buy the bread and butter nicer Rebels Canon makes all its money on, like the 750D/760D. Better video, flippy screens, more features, etc.
• The enthusiast folks buy the 70D for the good stuff -- chunkier grip, top LCD, AFMA, DPAF, etc.
• The long reach folks buy the 7D2 for workhorse sports/wildlife/birding assignments. That said, the camera is a fine all-purpose rig as well.

But, given that the Rebels seem to be snatching some of the nicer features (more AF points, top LCD, etc.) and given that the 7D2-level brand is not refreshed often and is not maintaining price terribly well, a future 80D has to thread a very difficult needle: be clearly better than any Rebel, but not so nice as to threaten 7D2 sales.

One could imagine a future where this 'middle-plus' APS-C offering goes away.

- A

 

[unfocused]

...a future 80D has to thread a very difficult needle: be clearly better than any Rebel, but not so nice as to threaten 7D2 sales.

Alternatively, it could continue the path that the 70D began: a video-centric DSLR at an affordable price, for those who shoot more video than stills, but not exclusively video, and will never be in the market for a cinema line camera.

Keep the flip screen, keep the touch screen, DPAF, add headphone jack, 4K, higher frame rate for slow motion, but no CFast card (SD only), etc.

The 7D line remains the sports/wildlife shooters' camera and the XXD series diverges into a more video oriented model.

 

[Famateur]

Interesting discussion so far.

I'm inclined to believe that if there's some sort of update to the 70D, it would be either a firmware update or a 70Da (for astrophotography, like the 60Da) -- in that order.

I'd hope it would be the former and that the firmware update would include exposure compensation for auto-ISO in manual mode.

In situations where light changes rapidly, I like to use auto-ISO with it limited to 1600. The downside is that it almost always over-exposes in outdoor situations. Because it's using ISO for the over-exposure, I get the double whammy of burned highlights and higher noise. If I could force it to dial back the exposure by a stop, that would really make life easier.

 

[gsealy]

Interesting discussion so far.

I'm inclined to believe that if there's some sort of update to the 70D, it would be either a firmware update or a 70Da (for astrophotography, like the 60Da) -- in that order.

I'd hope it would be the former and that the firmware update would include exposure compensation for auto-ISO in manual mode.

In situations where light changes rapidly, I like to use auto-ISO with it limited to 1600. The downside is that it almost always over-exposes in outdoor situations. Because it's using ISO for the over-exposure, I get the double whammy of burned highlights and higher noise. If I could force it to dial back the exposure by a stop, that would really make life easier.

This is an interesting post. I don't think a lot of people use auto-ISO. I use a Fuji X100T for street photography with auto-ISO as the light conditions change rapidly and I don't want to fiddle with settings and miss a shot. I have it set to max ISO at 3200, min shutter speed of 125 and aperture priority usually set to f4.0 (sharpest for the lens). If the camera can't get good exposure at those settings, then it lowers the shutter speed until the exposure is correct. I have not had a problem with overexposure although it does have an exposure compensation setting or I will stop it down.

I am a huge Canon guy except for this camera, just so that is clear. And I am not bragging on the X100T. The thing I wanted to mention is that the auto-ISO is a nice feature for certain conditions. How the camera chooses to get it's settings, that is the algorithm, makes a difference. Basically I want it to pick the lowest ISO consistent with a minimum shutter speed of 125. It seems to do that.