Analysis of RAW samples at Fred Miranda show weak DR

[LonelyBoy]

Eff it, I love my GX460. The ES350 is a piece of crap sold to clueless masses who would be better served by a Camry (or better yet, Accord), but that doesn't mean I call all of Lexus crap. They just sell some products for my needs and some for other people's needs.

None of them come with a decent roof rack that caries two canoes, or good tie-down points, or a class 3 trailer hitch, and since those are my needs, it indicates that Lexus is DOOMED!!!!!!

Ah, have you seen the GX460? It's a V8, AWD 4Runner. You'll need to supply the crossbars and carriers, but it has roof rails that should work for canoes. You are right that it lacks a class III hitch receiver though - it's a class IV. And, the bit that I need, it'll take my wife's triathlon bike inside, vertically. I'm about to drive us a thousand miles to an Ironman and back in immense comfort and convenience. They're not all realtor-spec RXs.

Then the LX570 is all that and more...

 

[Cthulhu]

Eff it, I love my GX460. The ES350 is a piece of crap sold to clueless masses who would be better served by a Camry (or better yet, Accord), but that doesn't mean I call all of Lexus crap. They just sell some products for my needs and some for other people's needs.

None of them come with a decent roof rack that caries two canoes, or good tie-down points, or a class 3 trailer hitch, and since those are my needs, it indicates that Lexus is DOOMED!!!!!!

Well you've never heard me say Canon is crap, or doomed - with one or many exclamation points.

I love my 1dxmk2 but find it's perfectly reasonable to point out the disparity in card slots puts it at a disadvantage, bogging down the buffer and limiting fps if you're shooting to backup. Or that high ISO and AF were not improved as expected. Or that the limited touchscreen is disappointing, as is the lack of improvement on the 6d2 DR - the whole point of this tread.

It is also disappointing to see grown men defending a product or a brand as if they were a religion, not a tool.

 

[LonelyBoy]

Eff it, I love my GX460. The ES350 is a piece of crap sold to clueless masses who would be better served by a Camry (or better yet, Accord), but that doesn't mean I call all of Lexus crap. They just sell some products for my needs and some for other people's needs.

None of them come with a decent roof rack that caries two canoes, or good tie-down points, or a class 3 trailer hitch, and since those are my needs, it indicates that Lexus is DOOMED!!!!!!

Well you've never heard me say Canon is crap, or doomed - with one or many exclamation points.

I love my 1dxmk2 but find it's perfectly reasonable to point out the disparity in card slots puts it at a disadvantage, bogging down the buffer and limiting fps if you're shooting to backup. Or that high ISO and AF were not improved as expected. Or that the limited touchscreen is disappointing, as is the lack of improvement on the 6d2 DR - the whole point of this tread.

It is also disappointing to see grown men defending a product or a brand as if they were a religion, not a tool.

I'm not sure how it's more disappointing to see grown men defending a product as not total crap (no one here actually treats it like religion, we just calmly point out that your position is not universal) than to see a grown man insisting that everyone else does, or should, share his priorities.

 

[Don Haines]

Eff it, I love my GX460. The ES350 is a piece of crap sold to clueless masses who would be better served by a Camry (or better yet, Accord), but that doesn't mean I call all of Lexus crap. They just sell some products for my needs and some for other people's needs.

None of them come with a decent roof rack that caries two canoes, or good tie-down points, or a class 3 trailer hitch, and since those are my needs, it indicates that Lexus is DOOMED!!!!!!

Ah, have you seen the GX460? It's a V8, AWD 4Runner. You'll need to supply the crossbars and carriers, but it has roof rails that should work for canoes. You are right that it lacks a class III hitch receiver though - it's a class IV. And, the bit that I need, it'll take my wife's triathlon bike inside, vertically. I'm about to drive us a thousand miles to an Ironman and back in immense comfort and convenience. They're not all realtor-spec RXs.

Then the LX570 is all that and more...

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nice toy! I am jealous!

 

[Don Haines]

Eff it, I love my GX460. The ES350 is a piece of crap sold to clueless masses who would be better served by a Camry (or better yet, Accord), but that doesn't mean I call all of Lexus crap. They just sell some products for my needs and some for other people's needs.

None of them come with a decent roof rack that caries two canoes, or good tie-down points, or a class 3 trailer hitch, and since those are my needs, it indicates that Lexus is DOOMED!!!!!!

Well you've never heard me say Canon is crap, or doomed - with one or many exclamation points.

I love my 1dxmk2 but find it's perfectly reasonable to point out the disparity in card slots puts it at a disadvantage, bogging down the buffer and limiting fps if you're shooting to backup. Or that high ISO and AF were not improved as expected. Or that the limited touchscreen is disappointing, as is the lack of improvement on the 6d2 DR - the whole point of this tread.

It is also disappointing to see grown men defending a product or a brand as if they were a religion, not a tool.

I'm not sure how it's more disappointing to see grown men defending a product as not total crap (no one here actually treats it like religion, we just calmly point out that your position is not universal) than to see a grown man insisting that everyone else does, or should, share his priorities.

Please don't get upset at me, I was just trying to inject a bit of humour. Many of us are treating this issue like it is a matter of life and death, as if the fate of Canon rests on this camera....

I believe that most of us hold a balanced view, with a few outliers on either side of the spectrum providing many of the posts. Personally, I have a mixed opinion on this camera. I think that they got the AF system just about perfect for a camera in this price range. I am very happy that it has WiFi and a tilt/swivel touchscreen. I wish it had 4K video, but I am very happy that it has stabilized 2K video (I really wanted 2.7K so I could post-stabilize it to 2K and this way Canon has saved me a lot of processing time). I am happy with the high ISO performance. I am not happy with the low ISO performance. Will I get one? It really depends on the reviews of the camera once it gets out into the wild, plus I intend to "give one a rip" at my local camera store....

 

[LonelyBoy]

Eff it, I love my GX460. The ES350 is a piece of crap sold to clueless masses who would be better served by a Camry (or better yet, Accord), but that doesn't mean I call all of Lexus crap. They just sell some products for my needs and some for other people's needs.

None of them come with a decent roof rack that caries two canoes, or good tie-down points, or a class 3 trailer hitch, and since those are my needs, it indicates that Lexus is DOOMED!!!!!!

Well you've never heard me say Canon is crap, or doomed - with one or many exclamation points.

I love my 1dxmk2 but find it's perfectly reasonable to point out the disparity in card slots puts it at a disadvantage, bogging down the buffer and limiting fps if you're shooting to backup. Or that high ISO and AF were not improved as expected. Or that the limited touchscreen is disappointing, as is the lack of improvement on the 6d2 DR - the whole point of this tread.

It is also disappointing to see grown men defending a product or a brand as if they were a religion, not a tool.

I'm not sure how it's more disappointing to see grown men defending a product as not total crap (no one here actually treats it like religion, we just calmly point out that your position is not universal) than to see a grown man insisting that everyone else does, or should, share his priorities.

Please don't get upset at me, I was just trying to inject a bit of humour. Many of us are treating this issue like it is a matter of life and death, as if the fate of Canon rests on this camera....

I believe that most of us hold a balanced view, with a few outliers on either side of the spectrum providing many of the posts. Personally, I have a mixed opinion on this camera. I think that they got the AF system just about perfect for a camera in this price range. I am very happy that it has WiFi and a tilt/swivel touchscreen. I wish it had 4K video, but I am very happy that it has stabilized 2K video (I really wanted 2.7K so I could post-stabilize it to 2K and this way Canon has saved me a lot of processing time). I am happy with the high ISO performance. I am not happy with the low ISO performance. Will I get one? It really depends on the reviews of the camera once it gets out into the wild, plus I intend to "give one a rip" at my local camera store....

Wait, what? That wasn't even directed at you; that was at Cthulhu. He was claiming that "grown men" were defending Canon like a religion, projecting his "only my opinion matters" on us. I was trying to turn that around by pointing out he was doing the inverse of what he was trying to point out, not meaning that any of us were actually defending Canon religiously. I don't think you've taken any stance any less reasonable than my own through this.

You're awesome; I'm sorry if I somehow made you think I was insulting you somehow.

 

[unfocused]

I am absolutely angry and disappointed. It appears that this and the other two three duplicative threads (Edit: I forgot about the pointless poll thread) are finally starting to collapse of their own weight. What will we do now?

Thank goodness the SL2 will be coming out soon. Maybe that will provide a little more opportunity for whining.

 

[LonelyBoy]

I am absolutely angry and disappointed. It appears that this and the other two three duplicative threads (Edit: I forgot about the pointless poll thread) are finally starting to collapse of their own weight. What will we do now?

Thank goodness the SL2 will be coming out soon. Maybe that will provide a little more opportunity for whining.

Speculate about whether the 7D3 will have:

1) on-chip DAC
2) CFAST
3) 4k
4) USB3
5) hybrid EVF

I'm not even really joking...

Then comes the 1DX3 and more questions. And speculation about FF mirrorless. And on and on.

Hey, CRGuy has to keep the lights on somehow.

 

[Loswr]

Thank goodness the SL2 will be coming out soon. Maybe that will provide a little more opportunity for whining.

Canon's gonna nerf that one, too. One card slot, so the pros will be pissed. No 4K, no one really needs that. Selective features missing to protect the higher numbered xxxD bodies. Typical Canon. Will sell like hotcakes. Canon is doomed.

 

[Orangutan]

I love my 1dxmk2 but find it's perfectly reasonable to point out the disparity in card slots puts it at a disadvantage, bogging down the buffer and limiting fps if you're shooting to backup. Or that high ISO and AF were not improved as expected. Or that the limited touchscreen is disappointing, as is the lack of improvement on the 6d2 DR - the whole point of this tread.

This is fine -- you're speaking about your own needs and values. It's when people extrapolate that to the market as a whole that they go off the rails.

 

[Aglet]

Hmmm. Wonder why then, despite all of the choices of cameras out there today, Canon still sells way more than the other companies?

MARKETING

they're very good at it and probably spend considerably more on it.

 

[Aglet]

..if you want a top-quality sensor, and other aspects of the camera are of little importance, then go medium format. Of course, they're more expensive, less portable, slower, have smaller selection of lenses and accessories, but you'll get the best picture.

"Best" simply doesn't exist; what exists is "meets my needs and budget."

BUT, But... MFD sensors are all over the map for quality too. Tho some of the latest are very very good.

At least if you don't mind some of the, IMO, horrendous interface choices some of them have made.
I found the Phase One backs a real PiTA to use.

Totally agree with last sentence. (which is why I went ABC)

 

[Orangutan]

Hmmm. Wonder why then, despite all of the choices of cameras out there today, Canon still sells way more than the other companies?

MARKETING

they're very good at it and probably spend considerably more on it.

I can't imagine an executive at Sony saying "I won't spend money on a marketing campaign because I'm afraid it might increase our market share and profits." Yeah, right.

Sorry, I'm not buying your argument for Sony. Nikon has not had so much cash lately, but they did when Canon first pulled ahead.

You can't possibly attribute all of it to marketing.

 

[Orangutan]

..if you want a top-quality sensor, and other aspects of the camera are of little importance, then go medium format. Of course, they're more expensive, less portable, slower, have smaller selection of lenses and accessories, but you'll get the best picture.

"Best" simply doesn't exist; what exists is "meets my needs and budget."

At least if you don't mind some of the, IMO, horrendous interface choices some of them have made.
I found the Phase One backs a real PiTA to use.

See, IQ isn't everything!

Totally agree with last sentence. (which is why I went ABC)

That's your choice, and I'll (metaphorically) defend your right to make it. Others are free to make their choices, even if they're different from yours.

 

[Mt Spokane Photography]

Hmmm. Wonder why then, despite all of the choices of cameras out there today, Canon still sells way more than the other companies?

MARKETING

they're very good at it and probably spend considerably more on it.

This is absolutely true, Canon is very good at determining what the market wants, and what they are willing to pay. What we want may not be the same as what the worldwide market wants.

However, there is always plenty of room for error. For example, the original M camera was a total bust in the US. Canon ended up dumping their leftover inventory to a reseller, and they sold for under a fraction of retail on eBay.

In the case of the 6D MK II, I guess that 99% of the potential buyers don't care about technical specifications, they want FF at a affordable price, and they trust Canon's reputation. They can't see DR, only specialized tests can measure it, but if 99% can't see a difference, its a moot point.

 

[Mikehit]

Hmmm. Wonder why then, despite all of the choices of cameras out there today, Canon still sells way more than the other companies?

MARKETING

they're very good at it and probably spend considerably more on it.

Ah, the poor customer. Conned into buying a camera they do not need when there are better models out there from different manufacturers that would suit them so much better. Just imagine, they should be leaving the shop with a 4k high DR body that misses the mark on almost every other aspect of usability. Show stupid of them.

PS - I see far more Sony and Nikon adverts than I do Canon adverts.

 

[jeffa4444]

Hmmm. Wonder why then, despite all of the choices of cameras out there today, Canon still sells way more than the other companies?

MARKETING

they're very good at it and probably spend considerably more on it.

Canon in Europe have recently gone into a large campaign about selling their brand rather than specific products. This is aimed a Millennials the very group that has grown up with smartphones as their camera maybe their only camera. Photography is not simply about equipment but about time and many young people and those into their early thirties are time poor and its not until the family has grown that photography as a serious hobby kicks in when time and money are in better supply , yes there are exceptions but go to any photography trade fair or camera club and note the age profile of the customers predominately middle aged males or older.


Ah, the poor customer. Conned into buying a camera they do not need when there are better models out there from different manufacturers that would suit them so much better. Just imagine, they should be leaving the shop with a 4k high DR body that misses the mark on almost every other aspect of usability. Show stupid of them.

PS - I see far more Sony and Nikon adverts than I do Canon adverts.

 

[jeffa4444]

Got notification from dealer my camera will ship tomorrow for delivery Thursday July 27th in the morning.

Looks like I will get to test it on Friday with the High Resolution CIPA chart and then project the stills in our theatre (the screen has a 53ft diagonal). We can also live feed the video from one of our test rooms.

 

[Luds34]

Got notification from dealer my camera will ship tomorrow for delivery Thursday July 27th in the morning.

Looks like I will get to test it on Friday with the High Resolution CIPA chart and then project the stills in our theatre (the screen has a 53ft diagonal). We can also live feed the video from one of our test rooms.

I'm jeolous, I was hoping for a similar notification as I'm going on a trip on the 28th and would have loved to have taken the new camera. But I think I've accepted I'll be taking one of my Fuji cameras into the wilderness.

 

[lightwriter]

Got notification from dealer my camera will ship tomorrow for delivery Thursday July 27th in the morning.

Looks like I will get to test it on Friday with the High Resolution CIPA chart and then project the stills in our theatre (the screen has a 53ft diagonal). We can also live feed the video from one of our test rooms.

I pre-ordered from Adorama. Still waiting on shipping notification.