Analysis of RAW samples at Fred Miranda show weak DR

[LonelyBoy]

Well if consumption is your gauge than the iphone is the best camera in the world and you can't eat a better burger than mcdonalds.
Also Justin Bieber is a musical genius and we have come full circle...

Judging market wishes by consumption is also faulty in numerous ways, the market doesn't want a buggy version of windows that bsods randomly, but it consumes it in droves. It wants an iphone with a headphone jack and an macbook with usb ports, but buys them without them in record numbers.

If your Windows BSODs randomly, figure out what your issue is. Windows has been quite stable since Windows 2000, unless you have bad hardware or malware.

We, by the way, have not come full circle; you've just repeated your Bieber argument. You really think that just wins it for you, don't you?

The 95s and 98s I worked with were plenty stable. I've heard otherwise regarding XP, and especially Vista.

XP? Seriously? XP was worshipped so hard I still know people who swear by it (and, scarily, run it). Vista had issues, but not BSOD issues. 95 and 98, the old 16-bit (partly) codebase, had issues and gained more over the life of an installation. I have never, ever, had 2000, XP, 7, 8, or 10 (the full 32-bit NT kernel) BSOD without an identifiable hardware or software issue to be resolved. The same things that affect Linux and Macs.

Yup. XP. My parents' and brother's XPs confirmed my decision to go mac. bsod every day. Or more than that. Plus all kinds of other programs freezing. No Vista, never bsod'ed it would freeze before it got there on what was a high performance machine at the time. The thing would just randomly turn off and the screen went black. Again, more than once a day. Also painfully slow. Had to give it to XP, next to Vista it was blazingly fast. I was fortunate enough to hardly ever have to run them.
I never ever had MacOS freeze. ever. A third party app will occasionally stop responding. But my baseline mbp is 8 years old now, so I can accept some general slowness.
95 and 98 however were quite fine if one remembered to do a reinstall ever year.
How do you find the newer versions for speed? I've heard things have improved sense Vista days, but I've honestly never seen a machine running anything newer than Vista.

Each new version has gotten faster. Honestly, it sounds like your parents' and brothers' machines had something wrong with them - nothing will wreck a Windows machine like having a million toolbars, weather buddies, and so forth installed. Or crappy hardware with iffy drivers (and that does mean stuff like cheap store-bough PCs). All I can say is, I have had a damn herd of PCs in my households running the various versions of NT kernel, and every BSOD I've had (which is not many) can be traced to a specific issue that caused it. And not "Windows is crappy". Things like a stick of RAM going bad, or a beta graphics driver.

 

[PBguy]

I got a call yesterday (Tuesday) that they had the cameras in stock but Canon had put an embargo on sales until the 27th. I'm first on the list but I've changed my mind after seeing the disappointing DR and also because I just cracked my 6D which will seriously impact the amount I could sell it for. At least I didn't get the new 6D Mark II and break it.

 

[Luds34]

I'm jeolous, I was hoping for a similar notification as I'm going on a trip on the 28th and would have loved to have taken the new camera. But I think I've accepted I'll be taking one of my Fuji cameras into the wilderness.

I'm also leaving on a trip on the 28th and was hoping to have it by then. This morning, they told me it would ship on 6/29 (and I ordered within 5 minutes of the official announcement).

Did you mean 7/29?
Where did you pre-order it from? I pre-ordered from B&H Photo and have heard nothing. Their website says they expect the camera on 7/27.

Yep, BH Photo. I pre-ordered the day it was announced. I haven't heard anything, however my CC was charged yesterday so I'd expect it to ship either today or tomorrow, either way too late for my trip. I'll have to inform the wife and kid to expect a delivery and hopefully one of them can sign for it while I am gone.

 

[hbr]

I'm jeolous, I was hoping for a similar notification as I'm going on a trip on the 28th and would have loved to have taken the new camera. But I think I've accepted I'll be taking one of my Fuji cameras into the wilderness.

I'm also leaving on a trip on the 28th and was hoping to have it by then. This morning, they told me it would ship on 6/29 (and I ordered within 5 minutes of the official announcement).

Did you mean 7/29?
Where did you pre-order it from? I pre-ordered from B&H Photo and have heard nothing. Their website says they expect the camera on 7/27.

Yep, BH Photo. I pre-ordered the day it was announced. I haven't heard anything, however my CC was charged yesterday so I'd expect it to ship either today or tomorrow, either way too late for my trip. I'll have to inform the wife and kid to expect a delivery and hopefully one of them can sign for it while I am gone.

Damn! I am more jealous! I pre-ordered about 2 minutes after B&H announced the camera and my CC has not been charged yet and no notifications yet.

 

[Luds34]

Yep, BH Photo. I pre-ordered the day it was announced. I haven't heard anything, however my CC was charged yesterday so I'd expect it to ship either today or tomorrow, either way too late for my trip. I'll have to inform the wife and kid to expect a delivery and hopefully one of them can sign for it while I am gone.

Damn! I am more jealous! I pre-ordered about 2 minutes after B&H announced the camera and my CC has not been charged yet and no notifications yet.

Haha, I'm not sure how jealous you should be, I've essentially paid for it yet don't have it.

 

[Luds34]

I've been Mac since '85, starting to drift away as their UI gets more dummed-down.
I used to laugh at how much more often all the windows flavors used to crash and foul up.
NT came along and looked pretty good. Later I built myself an XP box (quite a while back now), carefully selected all the hardware and firmware for compatibility, and one more highly important thing most people who stick their hands into their boxes don't think about, PREVENT ESD (electro-static discharge) DAMAGE.
I still run that old XP machine and it's NEVER crashed. I don't use it for everyday browsing or stuff, it's dedicated to about 10 pieces of software I use on it, still on service pack 2 and it's solid.
XP machines also ran very expensive analytical machines where I work and they were very reliable.

if somebody has regular BSOD issues with XP they likely have underlying hardware-firmware problems or are running some dodgy code.

With older and perhaps current cheapest HW, that may be true. But current quality components are well shielded and you can basically build entire computer on a thick carpet whilst wearing a woolen sweater. Not that you should, but ESD is very rare today. I've built many custom (mainly high-end gaming rigs with custom watercooling loops etc.) over the years and I've never seen a single component damaged by ESD. And I don't use ESP mats or gloves or bracelets...

The computer talk is a little off topic but I agree. I usually just ground myself (and I use that term loosely) by touching a door knob or something just in case I have some static build up. And even then I only ever really worry about it if it's the middle of winter, the house is super dry and I'm wearing wool socks, dragging them around on carpet all afternoon.

As for the windows BSOD comments. The windows NT kernel (NT 4.0, 2000, XP and onward) is quite stable. There are essentially two things that will crash the kernel, faulty hardware, or a poorly written kernel driver.

 

[IglooEater]

Each new version has gotten faster. Honestly, it sounds like your parents' and brothers' machines had something wrong with them - nothing will wreck a Windows machine like having a million toolbars, weather buddies, and so forth installed. Or crappy hardware with iffy drivers (and that does mean stuff like cheap store-bough PCs). All I can say is, I have had a damn herd of PCs in my households running the various versions of NT kernel, and every BSOD I've had (which is not many) can be traced to a specific issue that caused it. And not "Windows is crappy". Things like a stick of RAM going bad, or a beta graphics driver.

That's good to hear. I'm sure they did have something wrong; it would have been nice to have someone like you around, as Microsoft service got them nowhere. I didn't mean to say Windows is crappy. Just that my personal experiences have left a sour taste.

 

[hmatthes]

This Thread is Way Off Topic

and I don't care about Windows software problems and crappy cheap PCs.

 

[Khalai]

Re: This Thread is Way Off Topic

and I don't care about Windows software problems and crappy cheap PCs.

This thread was rendered useless around 55 pages ago anyway

 

[LonelyBoy]

Re: This Thread is Way Off Topic

and I don't care about Windows software problems and crappy cheap PCs.

This thread was rendered useless around 55 pages ago anyway

Yeah, I'm so sorry for being part of derailing a 60-page trollbait thread. :

 

[Loswr]

Re: This Thread is Way Off Topic

and I don't care about Windows software problems and crappy cheap PCs.

This thread was rendered useless around 55 pages ago anyway

Yeah, I'm so sorry for being part of derailing a 60-page trollbait thread. :

That's not the problem. The problem is that everyone knows the way to derail trollbait threads is with car analogies, or if that fails, with audiophile references. The whole Windows thing is a distant third.

Now, if you'd gone the Mac vs. PC thing, it might have turned out differently. Because Macs are cool, and PCs are drool. Although it's clear that everyone has their breaking point, even the staid, gatesian PC guy...

 

[LonelyBoy]

Re: This Thread is Way Off Topic

and I don't care about Windows software problems and crappy cheap PCs.

This thread was rendered useless around 55 pages ago anyway

Yeah, I'm so sorry for being part of derailing a 60-page trollbait thread. :

That's not the problem. The problem is that everyone knows the way to derail trollbait threads is with car analogies, or if that fails, with audiophile references. The whole Windows thing is a distant third.

Now, if you'd gone the Mac vs. PC thing, it might have turned out differently. Because Macs are cool, and PCs are drool. Although it's clear that everyone has their breaking point, even the staid, gatesian PC guy...

I still miss my old Windows Phone. My iPhone7 is inferior in every way I care about... except for letting me iMessage the wife while she's out of the country.

 

[Loswr]

Re: This Thread is Way Off Topic

I still miss my old Windows Phone. My iPhone7 is inferior in every way I care about... except for letting me iMessage the wife while she's out of the country.

Is your Zune still working?

 

[ahsanford]

Re: This Thread is Way Off Topic

I still miss my old Windows Phone. My iPhone7 is inferior in every way I care about... except for letting me iMessage the wife while she's out of the country.

Is your Zune still working?

This. All day.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqTYI55K1eo

- A

 

[LonelyBoy]

Re: This Thread is Way Off Topic

I still miss my old Windows Phone. My iPhone7 is inferior in every way I care about... except for letting me iMessage the wife while she's out of the country.

Is your Zune still working?

Never had one (though funnily enough, my old boss's son did). I'm honestly not an MS fanboy, but their phone platform has a lot of advantages. Seriously.

 

[Cthulhu]

Re: This Thread is Way Off Topic

The problem is that everyone knows the way to derail trollbait threads is with car analogies, or if that fails, with audiophile references. The whole Windows thing is a distant third.

Well it worked. You're welcome 8)

 

[Don Haines]

Re: This Thread is Way Off Topic

The problem is that everyone knows the way to derail trollbait threads is with car analogies, or if that fails, with audiophile references. The whole Windows thing is a distant third.

Well it worked. You're welcome 8)

The important thing to walk away with, is the knowledge that the 6D2 does not have sufficient DR to take pictures of a dash stereo through the car windows, and as a result, Canon is doomed! If only someone would have posted this 60 pages ago, we would have saved a lot of time!

 

[Don Haines]

Re: This Thread is Way Off Topic

That's not the problem. The problem is that everyone knows the way to derail trollbait threads is with car analogies, or if that fails, with audiophile references. The whole Windows thing is a distant third.

Now, if you'd gone the Mac vs. PC thing, it might have turned out differently. Because Macs are cool, and PCs are drool. Although it's clear that everyone has their breaking point, even the staid, gatesian PC guy...

Windows..... (comic is Calvin and Hobbes, by Bill Waterson)

 

[dlee13]

I got my 6D2 and I love it!

So in my brief time so far playing with the camera, here's what I found:

Build - being that it's almost identical to the 6D it has a real good solid feel. After 3 weeks of only using my M5, it honestly feel good to once again experience that big solid feel of a DSLR The articulatung screen is really nice. At first I was a bit disappointed when I read it was only 1.04 million dots unlike my M5 but they have definitely improved the quality of it and I can see the difference compared to my old 6D.


Autofocus - The difference is truly day and night with the outter points. I always found them to be too unreliable on my 6D but that definitely isn't the case with the Mark II. I actually find myself overwhelmed with so many AF points to choose from. I'm personally used to just choosing a single point I feel like that's a waste with all those beautiful AF points to choose from. I find the AF to be very fast and accurate too, even with the horrible lighting inside my house.


Shutter - This is obviously something most people wouldn't mention but the second I took the first shot I could hear the difference. It may be a bit louder than the 6D but I like the sound to it, you can really tell it's made for the higher FPS.


IQ - Now I haven't had any time to shoot anything proper (you can thank my 10 hour shift today) but I was quite impressed with what I seen. I didn't bother trying to underexpose then pull up in post since I was working with limited light in my apartment and if that was a real world scenario, I would make sure to nail the exposure (in daylight would be a much better situation to try this). I was mostly using the body at ISO 1000 and up and I was impressed with how it handed the noise. I didn't try anything crazy like 40,000 though. One shot I quickly took of my girlfriend was at ISO 1000 (we get up real early for work when the sun still isn't up) and there was some noise in the OOF areas but on her face the detail was really impressive, almost like I was shooting ISO 640 max. In all honesty I'm not the type to spot a huge difference since IMO the lens you use would have a greater effect than the body so when reviewing and playing with the files in LR I felt like I was using my 6D or M5.


Some quick things to note.


- Although it doesn't affect the RAW images, the picture style was set to auto and it did not look good in the previews. It's good to set up the picture styles before doing anything and all the other small settings like high exposure NR which can give you a bad impression if you're going off what you see on the back of the camera.


- Just like the 5D4, if you leave all the lens correct settings on enabled, then you will get the black circle with third part lenses. I had to turn off everything but CA correction for my Sigma 85mm to stop having the crop circles


- Most of my lenses needed AFMA on my 6D so I was holding off on judging certain aspects until I could dial in the right value for each lens.

 

[Cthulhu]

Re: This Thread is Way Off Topic

The problem is that everyone knows the way to derail trollbait threads is with car analogies, or if that fails, with audiophile references. The whole Windows thing is a distant third.

Well it worked. You're welcome 8)

The important thing to walk away with, is the knowledge that the 6D2 does not have sufficient DR to take pictures of a dash stereo through the car windows, and as a result, Canon is doomed! If only someone would have posted this 60 pages ago, we would have saved a lot of time!

Or that people are still using Windows XP