Announcements Before Photokina

[LetTheRightLensIn]

as for the long fabled 3D we basically already have that with the 5D3 (minus 1 fps)

as for the 5 series with more MP it probably makes sense they hold that off until they can more low iso dynamic range and not be made to look silly by Exmor, what are they going to do, release a 40MP camera with 3 stops worse DR than the D800, with no cropped mode for speed and charge the $1500 more for it or even the same price or even just $500 less?

if they gave it 36-40MP and kept the 6fps FF then it might offer something even if the DR is behind but that sort of replaces the 5D3 which I don't think they want to do after just 6 months

so i'm not shocked by the claims for not much in the way of new bodies for Photokina (the cheap D600 might give them some issues though unless they have enough 5D2 to dump off, if not then lack of a 6D or 7D or 8D might be a touch of a surprise, depending)

 

[AG]

First you all complain of new higher prices, then complain when there is nothing new to buy.

+1

As for people wanting a new cheaper FF camera i don't really see the point from Canons POV.

To me is seems like the only real people that would have benefitted from the 5D "Lite" (or whatever its going to be called) are people that rely on the AF and the current 5D2's is not good enough but cant justify the cash to upgrade to the 5D3.

Starting out video shooters would still go either go the 5D3 or 5D2. Really new shooters usually go the 550D/600D/650D/60D/7D (budget depending).

And now it seems like the people at Canon PR have decided that instead of building a DSLR that will in reality be focused towards video shooters, they have decided to go C100 for the indy/alternative video crowd.

Sure it may not be "cheap" in the traditional sense, but the camera is made for people that usually rent instead of own. This way some of them may invest in their own camera bodies for a change.

Yes we are still going to have a huge segment that cant afford it because even at $6k (street) Canon have put it out of reach of new film makers, but thats also why you can still use the 5D2/3.

So because of that i cant see a new "cheap" FF camera coming.

A new Crop to replace the 60D/7D on the other hand. Thats destined to happen.

 

[baronng]

I don't think there is new Entry Level FF from Canon
my take is
Canon will reduce the price of 5D3 from 3500 to 2500-2800 to fight against Nikon's D600, which will be priced at $2000 (Don't believe D600 will be priced at $1500!!!!)
Canon will release 3D to fight against D800; and 3D will be priced around $3500-$4000

You can see Canon can still sell 5D3 reasonably well even it is more expensive than Nikon's D800....
and you can see the price of the latest Canon L lenses are very high (70-200 f/2.8 IS, 24-70 f/2.8L II, 85 f/1.2L....etc)
So Canon's camera will always be more expensive than Nikon's
5D3's 2500 vs D600's 2000, and
3D's 3500 vs D800's 3000

Anyway, for those who have not yet invested a lot in Canon's L glasses
I think it is best time to jump to Nikon's D800 and their new cheaper FF line up (28 f/1.8, 50 f/1.8, 85 f/1.8, etc.)
Nikon definitely produce better camera

For me, I love Canon's lenses more so I will have to wait for cheaper 5D3...

 

[verysimplejason]

Simple logic says that Canon will produce a comparable FF priced within D600 range. It's just a matter of taking care of the current "crop". Professionals comes from Enthusiasts. Enthusiasts comes from Amateurs. If somehow some of those Enthusiasts jump to another system due to unavailability of a camera priced within his/her capability, he/she is lost already to the other camp. Eventually your high-end cameras will suffer.

 

[Marsu42]

Canon will reduce the price of 5D3 from 3500 to 2500-2800 to fight against Nikon's D600

Imho: No, they won't, but I surely would hope for it. Unless I'd buy a 5d3, then I'd hope the price goes up

They put all their current tech into the 5d3 - unfortunately w/o a real updated sensor - and would cannibalize their 1dx sales when competing against a $2000 Nikon. And this would be why they named the 5d3 as it is and strangely still produce the 5d2, the $2000 5d2 fills a gap that has to be replaced by another model.

 

[pakosouthpark]

I don't think there is new Entry Level FF from Canon
my take is
Canon will reduce the price of 5D3 from 3500 to 2500-2800 to fight against Nikon's D600, which will be priced at $2000 (Don't believe D600 will be priced at $1500!!!!)
Canon will release 3D to fight against D800; and 3D will be priced around $3500-$4000

You can see Canon can still sell 5D3 reasonably well even it is more expensive than Nikon's D800....
and you can see the price of the latest Canon L lenses are very high (70-200 f/2.8 IS, 24-70 f/2.8L II, 85 f/1.2L....etc)
So Canon's camera will always be more expensive than Nikon's
5D3's 2500 vs D600's 2000, and
3D's 3500 vs D800's 3000

Anyway, for those who have not yet invested a lot in Canon's L glasses
I think it is best time to jump to Nikon's D800 and their new cheaper FF line up (28 f/1.8, 50 f/1.8, 85 f/1.8, etc.)
Nikon definitely produce better camera

For me, I love Canon's lenses more so I will have to wait for cheaper 5D3...

i like that! but doubt it big time that canon will drop the price that much on a recently born camera!

 

[AG]

The 5D3 has already dropped in price since it was introduced.

Seen it as cheap as $3600 with the 24-105 lens. When it was released it was retailing here for $4200.

Only $600 but its still a considerable drop for a camera thats under a year old.

 

[Marsu42]

Seen it as cheap as $3600 with the 24-105 lens.

The problem with "seen as cheap" is that it's probably a plain cheat, grey import w/o warranty, you have to add $200 shipping fees or have to wait a year for delivery. But nice offer anyway :-o

 

[M.ST]

Canon will reduce the price of 5D3 from 3500 to 2500-2800 to fight against Nikon's D600, which will be priced at $2000 (Don't believe D600 will be priced at $1500!!!!)
Canon will release 3D to fight against D800; and 3D will be priced around $3500-$4000

I my opinion Canon release a entry FF camera to replace the 5D Mark II and the price for the 5D Mark III drop next year under 3.000,00 Euro.

It´s possible that Canon release a camera between the 5D Mark III and 1D X in the next two years. But I don´t believe, that the camera has more than 30 or 32 megapixels.

 

[SwampYankee]

This is whats rumored to be annonced by Nikon next weel:
http://nikonrumors.com/2012/08/30/updated-specifications-for-the-nikon-d600.aspx/
The are defiantly are announcing a new DLSR . Perhaps at the $2,000 price point. Don't you wish Canon was announcing something like this:
Very small and lightweight body
16 bit image processing
Expeed 3 processor
Maximum video recording: 30 minutes
Built-in mic
19 scene modes
Magnesium alloy only on top and back only
Maximum shutter speed of 1/4000
Shutter life: 150,000 cycles (the D800 is rated for 200,000 cycles)
Previously reported Nikon D600 specs:

24.7MP full frame sensor
Weight: 760g (850g with battery and memory cards), the D800 weights 900g
3.2" LCD with 921K dot with ambient sensor control
HDMI output
Video compression: H264/MPEG-4
Full HD with 30p, 25p, 24p, HD with 60p, 50p, 30p, 25p
Viewfinder coverage: 100%
The Nikon D600 will have built-in AF motor
The body most probably will be weather sealed
The D600 will not have built-in GPS
ISO range: 100-6400 (with Lo-1 ISO 50 and Hi-2 ISO 25,600)
39 AF points (with an option of 11 AF points), 9 cross-type AF points
AF face detection
Exposure compensation: ±5 EV (same as the D800)
The D600 will probably use the EN-EL15 rechargeable Li-ion battery
5 fps (same as the D700, the D800 has 4fps)
2 SD card slots with Eye-fi support
Build-in retouching images functionality
Built-in flash with sync speed of 1/250s
Two user settings: U1 and U2
Fn button
Auto DX crop mode
In-camera RAW editor
Built in time-lapse functionality
Build-in HDR
New external battery grip
Internal AF motor
The price of the D600 is rumored to be very low - maybe as low as $1500
Announcement before Photokina (September 2012)

 

[hmmm]

This is whats rumored to be annonced by Nikon next week:
http://nikonrumors.com/2012/08/30/updated-specifications-for-the-nikon-d600.aspx/
The are defiantly are announcing a new DLSR . Perhaps at the $2,000 price point. Don't you wish Canon was announcing something like this:
Very small and lightweight body
16 bit image processing
... ... ...
The price of the D600 is rumored to be very low - maybe as low as $1500
Announcement before Photokina (September 2012)

Absolutely I wish this same camera were available as a Canon -- with low-read noise as well. The Nikon crowd is a bit antsy about how good the D600 sensor will turn out to be -- we'll just have to wait on that issue. And the folks at NR, especially, are whining that the d600 is about a D7000 in form factor. Wah. :'(

I think that Canon does have test versions of 70D and 7DmkII as rumored, but is waiting to see how well the D600 and its own lower-cost FF in October do in the marketplace. With Nikon apparently de-emphasizing APS-C (no D400 at all, apparently; no D5200 or D7100 in recent rumors), Canon might be re-thinking what to do going forward. APS-C might drop like a rock, but it becomes a bit of a self-fulfilling prophecy if there are no new models with APS-c from which to choose! I would be interested in a 70D with a (truly) new sensor, but I'm not going for a lame-o Canon FF if it is severely feature-deprived compared to the D600. And I want Canon to give us some new sensor tech with lower noise read and expanded DR, along the lines of recent Nikon sensors -- or better.

My own take: if Canon does not produce anything that grabs my interest, based on what I know now I'm planning on getting a D600 with a 24-85 lens next spring after the initial adopters have had their feeding frenzy. I'll shoot the D600 and my Canon side by side for a while. I figure if I later sell the D600 I can get close to what I paid for it. I'm thinking I'll give it a try -- although I'd be delighted to have Canon talk me out of it! ;D

 

[verysimplejason]

I envy Nikonians so much... I hope Canon will release something with that specs and that price. Hopefully it will bring down the price for the 5DMKIII. My lenses are ready to go FF.

 

[EchoLocation]

First you all complain of new higher prices, then complain when there is nothing new to buy.

May be they just want something new (tech wise), but not intended to milk its customers. Ahem Nikon ahem.

The 5DIII is still a very hefty price(I would of paid 2700 dollars to preorder it, not 3500.)
Is too much to ask to expect something new in the 7D/60D range for Photokina?
Is it too much to ask to expect a competitor to the D600?
I don't understand why people think it is too much to expect that newer models of cameras and lenses should be more high tech at similar costs to the previous models? If every camera increased in price by 20%, then we will be paying over 5000 dollars for the 5DVI...... Anybody who thinks this is reasonable has wayyy too much money.

 

[EchoLocation]

Earlier this year I would have pre-ordered a D600 style Canon body, or even a D600, or a 2500 dollar 5DIII... I had dreamed of a 2500 dollar 5DIII with a 7Dish AF. At this point, I'm getting sick of all these big, heavy DSLR bodies. I live and work in China and often walk 7km to work. When I'm not living here, I like backpacking with my wife. I need something smaller and lighter. I used to think the answer to this was a small FF DSLR. After waiting for a year for a reasonably priced upgrade to the 5DII, I'm really getting tired of lugging around my 5DC and 24-105.
I really, really want a new upgraded FF camera that isn't 3000 dollars. I can afford to buy it, I just don't want to spend that much money on a camera.
I'm sorry, but the 7d, and 60D are very tired bodies. Yes they still take great pictures, but the 7D was mature when I bought my 550D when it came out, and the 60D was a non starter to me.
At this point, the new 1400 dollar Fuji X-E1 is looking way, way better every moment, especially with the F2.8 kit lens.
I think Canon has really failed itself and it's customers by milking the 5DIII price and new lens prices. I simply don't want to pay 5000 dollars for a Camera and 2.8 lens that fills my entire backpack and weighs a TON.
I may order a D600 and Nikon 24-70, I may get an X-E1, or I may wait for another FF camera, but i'm not really excited anymore about the future of Canon or DSLR's.
If you want to make excuses for why constantly rising prices is ok, and why the 5DII is still great for your needs that's fine. But for me personally, I don't want to spend 2000 dollars on a 4 year old camera and unless I switch careers, i'm not interested in spending 3000 dollars on a digital camera body.

 

[Gman]

Monday 10th September,

I am almost desperate for the next Powershot G model whether it has the same size sensor as rumoured or not surely it will have a digic 5 processor though and maybe a new lens.

However will the next PS Gxx be announced this/next week but only available in time for xmas like the EOS M and if that is the case, do I buy a G12 instead at the now heavily discounted prices or take a chance and try to buy the new Nikon P7700 which is an unknown quantity so far and if it's not immediately available in Europe what chances of getting one in Japan in October?

 

[adhocphotographer]

6/7/70D - any or all of them, I just want an announcement! I'm keeping hold of my beat up and temperamental 450D till it dies or a fantastic offer comes along.... So i don't care which is announced now, they won't be reachable for months anyway!

One thing is clear, canon needs to put a stop to (or at least slow) the tide of "Nikon bodies are better"!

 

[powershot2012]

Are the PowerShot Announcements still expected this week?

 

[anselwannab]

Seems like there's a party and everyone else has brought a keg and Canon has RSVPd to bring some wine coolers. We'll see what happens at the show.