Announcing The Canon EOS-1D X Mark II

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#183
Looks like a solid camera that will serve news and sports photographers (photojournalists) well. Those who are concerned about dynamic range should probably be looking at the new 5D, Mark IV specs when available, or another camera that better addresses those concerns. The 1D X mark II is all about action photography and photojournalism.
 
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#184
For a wedding photographer / cinematographer like myself, this can be a very decent upgrade.

To me it's pretty much like a 1DC with better photo features and less cost.

And with the new hardwares who knows what other features will be added in the future firmware updates? :)
 
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#185
Now that I've had more time to let the specs on this camera sink in, I have to say that I'm pleased but not overly impressed. Is this the camera that pushes Canon to catch up to Nikon/Sonh sensors with? That's honestly the big question on all our minds. On paper, it would appear to not be the case, but you can't tell anything about sensor performance based on a press release. What Canon did was maintain itself ahead of the D5 in nearly every aspect. The 1DX was widely remembered as the camera that made people switch. Countless sports photographers made the jump when the body performance and lens availability just made the choice a no brainer. The D5 only shocked people who don't remember what it was like when the 1DX turned heads.

AF at f/8 on all points? Yes. This is the big deal here because so many shooters are pushing their 400, 600, and 800mm lenses with TCs and have been limited with composition. This is a tremendous leap in real world use that the pros will glue their eyes to. A 600mm f/4 with a 2x TC is now a usable 1200mm f/8 with full AF coverage! Nikon is in the dust there.

Not a video shooter, but everything I hear is that MJPEG is difficult to work with an renders horribly on most systems. Bummer, but we'll see where things go from here. It looks like 120fps 1080 is finally a real thing!

The sensor is the big deal here. What's there noise performance going to look like? Can the RAW files respond to significant push? How's the dynamic range compared to its predecessor and previous/current competition? Canon has done absolutely zero things to impress me in the past 5 years, so I'm willing to bet we see only minor improvements. The target photography DR should be 13.5-14 stops to remain relevant in 2016 and on. If this camera comes in in the high 12s to 13, it will be a large disappointment for the internet, 'and therefore the world. - South Park'
 
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#187
Re: Diffraction Correction - huh?

[email protected] said:
The thing I'm surprised more people haven't been curious ever since it appeared on a rumor a couple weeks ago is "diffraction correction."

Firstly, Canon has never done it before (according to the release). Looking it up on the web, it appears a couple secondary camera companies have attempted this, and it gave them about one extra stop of ISO before things got fudgy. There was debate as to whether that was at all useful relative to simple sharpening.

Interestingly, Canon, in its recent release, says that it effectively cancels diffraction - and doesn't limit that statement to any number of stops. That is a wild, wild claim. If true, it is one of the more interesting technologies introduced to cameras in recent years.

It is not clear to me if this tech applies to RAW, or if its results appear only with in-camera processed JPGs.

I'm a bit at a loss as to how this can even physically be done, but obviously it's not science fiction if other companies have been toying with it already. Perhaps the microlenses are employed to calculate the wave patterns that light create in the small apertures and the processor uses math to adjust light values where it senses where the waves would build on top of each other, etc.

Then again, maybe I'm reading the release incorrectly, and Canon is not claiming to have effectively eliminated diffraction fully. Anyone have any technical insight or references to Canon's approach or effectiveness claims?
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They're referring to in-camera DLO. http://web.canon.jp/imaging/dlo/howto/index.html
 
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#188
OdysseasP said:
With the exception of all 61 autofocus sensors which work up to f/8 and 4K video recording up to 60 fps with AF and 9MP still frame grab, Canon EOS 1D X Mark II is a disapointment, both in comparison to the Nikon D5 and as a standalone professional DSLR camera. No auto AF lens micro adjustment as in Nikon D5 (very important especially with the advent of Full Frame Mirrorless cameras such as the Sony a7S Mk II & Sony a7R MkII), 20 linear AF sensors out of 61 in total meaning that the Canon EOS 7D Mark II with its all selectable 65 cross type AF sensors remains the best as far as the total number of selectable cross type AF sensors is concerned while Nikon D5 with its 99 cross type AF sensors is much better at tracking fast erratically moving subjects, at least in theory since neither of these two AF systems have been tested in practise. Thus, since both the Nikon D5 and the Canon EOS 1D X Mark II are specifically targeted towards sports photographers, I believe that the Nikon D5 has a superior AF system for tracking moving subjects as far as still photography is concerned, unless the use of teleconverters brings the maximum lens aperture up to f/8 and/or when even 12 fps aren't enough in order to capture the perfect moment and one is willing to drop resolution to 9MP in order to have 60 fps while has the luxury of spending plenty of time post capture in front of a computer in order to select the perfect moment, in which case the Canon EOS 1D X Mark II with the addition of a much better 4K video recording implementation (duration, AF) becomes the better buy. All in all though, I believe that Canon was way too conservative in its last EOS 1 series body, probably trying to avoid AF issues such as in the recent past by copying Nikon in this instance by keeping essentially the same AF module for another generation, as Nikon did for the last 8 years (D3, D3S, D4, D4S). Canon was just unfortunate that at the time they chose to do so, Nikon brought to the market a radical new AF system which on paper at least looks very impressive while for the last 8 years during which Nikon kept essentially the same AF system, Canon didn't have an equivalent breakthrough. Finally, I would like to say, that both cameras embody the best technology their manufacturers have commercially available at the moment, with each camera strengthening even further the strong points of its manufacturer, either that is the AF algorithm for calculating the future position of a moving subject, low light AF performance, high ISO image quality and battery life in the case of Nikon or AF responsiveness both in lens and in camera body and 4K video implementation in the case of Canon.
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Yes, obviously the limitations of the EOS-1D X Mark II will prevent you from taking good pictures...
 
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#189
romanr74 said:
OdysseasP said:
With the exception of all 61 autofocus sensors which work up to f/8 and 4K video recording up to 60 fps with AF and 9MP still frame grab, Canon EOS 1D X Mark II is a disapointment, both in comparison to the Nikon D5 and as a standalone professional DSLR camera. No auto AF lens micro adjustment as in Nikon D5 (very important especially with the advent of Full Frame Mirrorless cameras such as the Sony a7S Mk II & Sony a7R MkII), 20 linear AF sensors out of 61 in total meaning that the Canon EOS 7D Mark II with its all selectable 65 cross type AF sensors remains the best as far as the total number of selectable cross type AF sensors is concerned while Nikon D5 with its 99 cross type AF sensors is much better at tracking fast erratically moving subjects, at least in theory since neither of these two AF systems have been tested in practise. Thus, since both the Nikon D5 and the Canon EOS 1D X Mark II are specifically targeted towards sports photographers, I believe that the Nikon D5 has a superior AF system for tracking moving subjects as far as still photography is concerned, unless the use of teleconverters brings the maximum lens aperture up to f/8 and/or when even 12 fps aren't enough in order to capture the perfect moment and one is willing to drop resolution to 9MP in order to have 60 fps while has the luxury of spending plenty of time post capture in front of a computer in order to select the perfect moment, in which case the Canon EOS 1D X Mark II with the addition of a much better 4K video recording implementation (duration, AF) becomes the better buy. All in all though, I believe that Canon was way too conservative in its last EOS 1 series body, probably trying to avoid AF issues such as in the recent past by copying Nikon in this instance by keeping essentially the same AF module for another generation, as Nikon did for the last 8 years (D3, D3S, D4, D4S). Canon was just unfortunate that at the time they chose to do so, Nikon brought to the market a radical new AF system which on paper at least looks very impressive while for the last 8 years during which Nikon kept essentially the same AF system, Canon didn't have an equivalent breakthrough. Finally, I would like to say, that both cameras embody the best technology their manufacturers have commercially available at the moment, with each camera strengthening even further the strong points of its manufacturer, either that is the AF algorithm for calculating the future position of a moving subject, low light AF performance, high ISO image quality and battery life in the case of Nikon or AF responsiveness both in lens and in camera body and 4K video implementation in the case of Canon.
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Yes, obviously the limitations of the EOS-1D X Mark II will prevent you from taking good pictures...
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BEST.POST.EVER. :D
 
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#191
Any info on how the 4K pixel read out for video works?

Wondering if they sample 1:1 4096x2160 from the 5472 x 3648 effective pixels like the Nikon D5, which would be a significant crop (around 1.4x?), or if they oversample?

As a videographer who's been waiting for a full frame 4K DSLR, this is make or break.
 
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#192
Re: Diffraction Correction - huh?

[email protected] said:
The thing I'm surprised more people haven't been curious ever since it appeared on a rumor a couple weeks ago is "diffraction correction."

[...]

I'm a bit at a loss as to how this can even physically be done, but obviously it's not science fiction if other companies have been toying with it already. Perhaps the microlenses are employed to calculate the wave patterns that light create in the small apertures and the processor uses math to adjust light values where it senses where the waves would build on top of each other, etc.
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Well, "perfect" correction is probably marketing speak but "very good" may be quite attainable.

A perfect lens maps points in object space to points in image space. Real-world lenses map points in object space to more-or-less fuzzy blobs due to diffraction and various aberrations. If you have a good understanding of the optical characteristics of your lens you can model the way light gets distributed using an optical transfer function (OTF). What's nice about having an accurate OTF is that you can apply it backwards - for every pixel in the image figure out how how much light has "bled" a) from this pixel to neighboring pixels and b) from the neighboring pixels to this pixel. Then you can compensate for it by doing some math in software. No special hardware required.
 
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#193
OdysseasP said:
With the exception of all 61 autofocus sensors which work up to f/8 and 4K video recording up to 60 fps with AF and 9MP still frame grab, Canon EOS 1D X Mark II is a disapointment, both in comparison to the Nikon D5 and as a standalone professional DSLR camera. No auto AF lens micro adjustment as in Nikon D5 (very important especially with the advent of Full Frame Mirrorless cameras such as the Sony a7S Mk II & Sony a7R MkII), 20 linear AF sensors out of 61 in total meaning that the Canon EOS 7D Mark II with its all selectable 65 cross type AF sensors remains the best as far as the total number of selectable cross type AF sensors is concerned while Nikon D5 with its 99 cross type AF sensors is much better at tracking fast erratically moving subjects, at least in theory since neither of these two AF systems have been tested in practise. Thus, since both the Nikon D5 and the Canon EOS 1D X Mark II are specifically targeted towards sports photographers, I believe that the Nikon D5 has a superior AF system for tracking moving subjects as far as still photography is concerned, unless the use of teleconverters brings the maximum lens aperture up to f/8 and/or when even 12 fps aren't enough in order to capture the perfect moment and one is willing to drop resolution to 9MP in order to have 60 fps while has the luxury of spending plenty of time post capture in front of a computer in order to select the perfect moment, in which case the Canon EOS 1D X Mark II with the addition of a much better 4K video recording implementation (duration, AF) becomes the better buy. All in all though, I believe that Canon was way too conservative in its last EOS 1 series body, probably trying to avoid AF issues such as in the recent past by copying Nikon in this instance by keeping essentially the same AF module for another generation, as Nikon did for the last 8 years (D3, D3S, D4, D4S). Canon was just unfortunate that at the time they chose to do so, Nikon brought to the market a radical new AF system which on paper at least looks very impressive while for the last 8 years during which Nikon kept essentially the same AF system, Canon didn't have an equivalent breakthrough. Finally, I would like to say, that both cameras embody the best technology their manufacturers have commercially available at the moment, with each camera strengthening even further the strong points of its manufacturer, either that is the AF algorithm for calculating the future position of a moving subject, low light AF performance, high ISO image quality and battery life in the case of Nikon or AF responsiveness both in lens and in camera body and 4K video implementation in the case of Canon.
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Run-on sentences and lack of paragraphs are a really bad combination.
 
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#194
biggiep said:
OdysseasP said:
With the exception of all 61 autofocus sensors which work up to f/8 and 4K video recording up to 60 fps with AF and 9MP still frame grab, Canon EOS 1D X Mark II is a disapointment, both in comparison to the Nikon D5 and as a standalone professional DSLR camera. No auto AF lens micro adjustment as in Nikon D5 (very important especially with the advent of Full Frame Mirrorless cameras such as the Sony a7S Mk II & Sony a7R MkII), 20 linear AF sensors out of 61 in total meaning that the Canon EOS 7D Mark II with its all selectable 65 cross type AF sensors remains the best as far as the total number of selectable cross type AF sensors is concerned while Nikon D5 with its 99 cross type AF sensors is much better at tracking fast erratically moving subjects, at least in theory since neither of these two AF systems have been tested in practise. Thus, since both the Nikon D5 and the Canon EOS 1D X Mark II are specifically targeted towards sports photographers, I believe that the Nikon D5 has a superior AF system for tracking moving subjects as far as still photography is concerned, unless the use of teleconverters brings the maximum lens aperture up to f/8 and/or when even 12 fps aren't enough in order to capture the perfect moment and one is willing to drop resolution to 9MP in order to have 60 fps while has the luxury of spending plenty of time post capture in front of a computer in order to select the perfect moment, in which case the Canon EOS 1D X Mark II with the addition of a much better 4K video recording implementation (duration, AF) becomes the better buy. All in all though, I believe that Canon was way too conservative in its last EOS 1 series body, probably trying to avoid AF issues such as in the recent past by copying Nikon in this instance by keeping essentially the same AF module for another generation, as Nikon did for the last 8 years (D3, D3S, D4, D4S). Canon was just unfortunate that at the time they chose to do so, Nikon brought to the market a radical new AF system which on paper at least looks very impressive while for the last 8 years during which Nikon kept essentially the same AF system, Canon didn't have an equivalent breakthrough. Finally, I would like to say, that both cameras embody the best technology their manufacturers have commercially available at the moment, with each camera strengthening even further the strong points of its manufacturer, either that is the AF algorithm for calculating the future position of a moving subject, low light AF performance, high ISO image quality and battery life in the case of Nikon or AF responsiveness both in lens and in camera body and 4K video implementation in the case of Canon.
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Run-on sentences and lack of paragraphs are a really bad combination.
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Oh come on now. He's blind with rage! The 1dx II is the biggest atrocity in human history. Luckily the D5 is there to save the free world from utter collapse. :)
 
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#197
biggiep said:
Run-on sentences and lack of paragraphs are a really bad combination.
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How about now?

With the exception of all 61 autofocus sensors which work up to f/8 and 4k video recording up to 60 fps with af and 9mp still frame grab canon eos 1d x mark ii is a disapointment both in comparison to the nikon d5 and as a standalone professional dslr camera no auto af lens micro adjustment as in nikon d5 very important especially with the advent of full frame mirrorless cameras such as the sony a7s mk ii & sony a7r mkii 20 linear af sensors out of 61 in total meaning that the canon eos 7d mark ii with its all selectable 65 cross type af sensors remains the best as far as the total number of selectable cross type af sensors is concerned while nikon d5 with its 99 cross type af sensors is much better at tracking fast erratically moving subjects at least in theory since neither of these two af systems have been tested in practise thus since both the nikon d5 and the canon eos 1d x mark ii are specifically targeted towards sports photographers i believe that the nikon d5 has a superior af system for tracking moving subjects as far as still photography is concerned unless the use of teleconverters brings the maximum lens aperture up to f/8 and/or when even 12 fps aren't enough in order to capture the perfect moment and one is willing to drop resolution to 9mp in order to have 60 fps while has the luxury of spending plenty of time post capture in front of a computer in order to select the perfect moment in which case the canon eos 1d x mark ii with the addition of a much better 4k video recording implementation duration af becomes the better buy all in all though i believe that canon was way too conservative in its last eos 1 series body probably trying to avoid af issues such as in the recent past by copying nikon in this instance by keeping essentially the same af module for another generation as nikon did for the last 8 years d3 d3s d4 d4s canon was just unfortunate that at the time they chose to do so nikon brought to the market a radical new af system which on paper at least looks very impressive while for the last 8 years during which nikon kept essentially the same af system canon didn't have an equivalent breakthrough finally i would like to say that both cameras embody the best technology their manufacturers have commercially available at the moment with each camera strengthening even further the strong points of its manufacturer either that is the af algorithm for calculating the future position of a moving subject low light af performance high iso image quality and battery life in the case of nikon or af responsiveness both in lens and in camera body and 4k video implementation in the case of canon.
 
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#198
Whilst there appears to be a few current 1DX owners who say they aren't too impressed by the upgrades, I wonder how many 5D3 owners will make the jump to a 1-series body now.

What will seal the deal for me is seeing a sequence of tracking shots taken at 14fps taken with a 500mm + 2x TC. That's what the improvements will mean for a number of us.

Is it possible current 1DX owners have become a bit blasé with the level of performance they've lived with?

Finally, how long until we see real-world sample images rather than the typically bland "official" sample shots?
 
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