Another 50mp FF DSLR Mention [CR2]

[rrcphoto]

you know, a quick google would have told you how silly your post is. 5D was replaced in 3 years, 5dII in 3.5 years...

sept 2015 (next year) would be .. what? 3.5 years.

Silly is thinking 5D4 will be 2015.

Nope. The 5D Mark III was delayed by natural phenomenon and should have arrived after 3 years.

5D4 is 2016 if all goes well, but it may slip to 2017.
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5D3 is still the king, so I don't see it being replaced any time soon.

That may be, but people that own Canon aren't going to wait another 2 years for a 5D Mark III replacement. Instead, next year they'll be buying Sony's latest thing and selling off Canon.

If the 7D Mark II's sensor is the best demonstration of where Canon's sensor technology is at then I'm not going to wait for a full frame version of that sensor because Canon haven't fixed the read noise problem at low ISO. Reference: http://sensorgen.info/CanonEOS-7D-Mark-II.html

you mean the sensor with a 59% QE which is a remarkable jump in two generations for canon? 41 or so % in the 18Mp sensor realm up to 59% in really less than two years?

yeah, damn that sensor blows.

sensor has nothing to do with canon's issues with low ISO.

 

[Marsu42]

The 7DII uses significantly more advanced processes than canon's prior generation of sensor. odds are they won't take nearly as long to produce other variations of it.

Odds are they will run their older production lines as soon as they can sell these sensors. Canon is an enterprise directed at maximizing profit, not delivering the latest tech to all market segments asap. There's a reason why they kept putting in variations of their 18mp sensor into practically everything...

 

[rrcphoto]

Odds are they will run their older production lines as soon as they can sell these sensors.

that statement makes no sense.

 

[Marsu42]

Odds are they will run their older production lines as soon as they can sell these sensors.

that statement makes no sense.

I admire the skillfull argumentation on your side. Would you care to elaborate further?

If you'd be the Canon CEO, you'd close down every older production line as soon as a new tech is available that cannot be implemented as an in-place upgrade? Well, you're company wouldn't be in business for long

Btw: Is it just me, or are fewer and fewer people actually attempting to have a civilized conversation around here? If it continues this way, I hope Canon won't release anything new for the next years as any new release seems to legitimize rudeness.

 

[Louis]

Sony are definately leading the pack with sensors and currently supply Nikon, Pentax, Olympus, Hasselblad, Phase One and even Canon for their high end compact model. Canon is over-due launching their next-gen sensor tech and maybe this will be it but going it alone is expensive.
50MP low noise I dont think will be the challenge the processors now & the level of software are better able to deal with this than previous sensor tech. 50MP though may show up more weaknesses in older lenses which is why Canon are working on so many new lenses.

50MP 4K in full-frame will make an awsome video camera so expect the Cinema side to benefit if this rumor is true.

You want a 5D4 and maybe 2 50 mp cameras coming from Canon and Canon wants them all to compete against each other? you know thats not going to happen,

 

[slclick]

Odds are they will run their older production lines as soon as they can sell these sensors.

that statement makes no sense.

I admire the skillfull argumentation on your side. Would you care to elaborate further?

If you'd be the Canon CEO, you'd close down every older production line as soon as a new tech is available that cannot be implemented as an in-place upgrade? Well, you're company wouldn't be in business for long

Btw: Is it just me, or are fewer and fewer people actually attempting to have a civilized conversation around here? If it continues this way, I hope Canon won't release anything new for the next years as any new release seems to legitimize rudeness.

Furthermore it seems more and more non Canon users are frequenting the site. It's their prerogative to do so but just to stir the pot? Please. There are other vacant bridges.

 

[jaayres20]

I am giving it until the end of the first quarter next year to see if there is another sensor to compete with the Nikon d810 and if not, I am selling all my Canon gear. I love landscape and I am disappointed in the lack of dynamic range. I test drove the Nikon d750 last weekend and even at 24 mp, I was amazed with the dynamic range and focus ability compared to the 5d mk3. I want that body for portrait and sport and the 810 for landscape if Canon doesn't step up and grow a set.

Focus ability? The D750 has 51 AF points with 15 cross type sensors. The 5D3 has 61 with 41 cross type sensors and they all work perfectly, even in low light. How is the D750 better?

 

[Marsu42]

Focus ability? The D750 has 51 AF points with 15 cross type sensors. The 5D3 has 61 with 41 cross type sensors and they all work perfectly, even in low light. How is the D750 better?

I didn't look into the d750 specs and I'm not in the market for one, but you do notice that the full-fledged 5d3/1dx af array is only available with some select new and expensive lenses? The other lens groups quickly degrade the af capability into something much less appealing, though even the worst 5d3 lens group is better than the 6d

 

[jaayres20]

Focus ability? The D750 has 51 AF points with 15 cross type sensors. The 5D3 has 61 with 41 cross type sensors and they all work perfectly, even in low light. How is the D750 better?

I didn't look into the d750 specs and I'm not in the market for one, but you do notice that the full-fledged 5d3/1dx af array is only available with some select new and expensive lenses? The other lens groups quickly degrade the af capability into something much less appealing, though even the worst 5d3 lens group is better than the 6d

Anything f/2.8 and faster. I still think you can get most of, if not all of the cross type sensors at f/4.

 

[PureClassA]

What I've learned today from all this is Nikon/Sony people love Nikon/Sony, and Canon people love Canon. Quit all the sniping. We will never all agree, and we don't need to.

I'm looking forward to Canon's next gen. I hope these rumors pan out. I've been saying for a while, Canon has to respond to the market proactively. Can't wait for market share to get heavily impacted before they do. We have rumors about Foven. Rumors about Canon using the Sony 50MP sensor supposedly getting unveiled in 2 months, rumors about Canon's own high MP... I believe 2015 could well be a do or die year for Canon's future, or at least significantly impact it.

They have market experts paid far more than all of us to measure these variables and I seriously doubt they aren't hearing our wishes. Of course, they have to do something about it for them to matter.

That said, very happy with my 6D. I'm in no real hurry. But if they can pull a 50MP rabbit out the hat (and you know they wont release it if it's pure crap), Id take a good look, because I'd effective have a FF and CROP in one body.

 

[Marsu42]

Anything f/2.8 and faster.

The 5d3? Nope, urban legend, the lens' max. aperture is only part of it. Look at the lens groups in the 1dx or 5d3 manual.

 

[PureClassA]

And even if I went with a Sony body (looking at A7S for video) I'm not ditching Canon glass. No way. God Bless Metabones.

 

[PureClassA]

What I've learned today from all this is Nikon/Sony people love Nikon/Sony, and Canon people love Canon. Quit all the sniping. We will never all agree, and we don't need to.

Actually, I think I'm shifting my love to Samsung. I love what they've done with the BSI sensor in the NX-1!

......sheesh... "and Dilbert loves Samsung" ;D

 

[Loswr]

I didn't look into the d750 specs and I'm not in the market for one, but you do notice that the full-fledged 5d3/1dx af array is only available with some select new and expensive lenses?

Yeah, new and expensive lenses like the EF 50mm f/1.8 II and the EF 35mm f/2, both from 1990 and one of them costing just over $100.

I guess you didn't look into the 5DIII/1D X specs much, either. :

 

[Loswr]

Clearly Canon is no longer top of the pile when it comes to IQ coming out of the sensors in digital cameras, in certain select situations, and ignoring considerations like lenses, flash systems, autofocus performance, etc.

There, I fixed that for you.

 

[PureClassA]

Clearly Canon is no longer top of the pile when it comes to IQ coming out of the sensors in digital cameras, in certain select situations, ignoring considerations like lenses, flash systems, autofocus performance, etc.

There, I fixed that for you.

LOL

 

[PureClassA]

http://www.kenrockwell.com/canon/5d-mk-iv.htm

For amusement only .... decently plausible amusement only

 

[InterMurph]

And even if I went with a Sony body (looking at A7S for video) I'm not ditching Canon glass. No way. God Bless Metabones.

I got an a7s for video (mostly school plays), and had my first chance to use it last week.

It is literally unbelievable how good it is. I recorded some auditions at ISO 1000, F/4.0, 1/50th, and the image quality is outstanding. I used the Metabones adapter version IV, the Canon 70-200mm II IS, and the Canon 1.4x extender.

Simultaneously, I had my new 7D2 going at similar settings. The constant auto-focus is great, but the picture is mushier.

I love the a7s for video.

 

[Marsu42]

I didn't look into the d750 specs and I'm not in the market for one, but you do notice that the full-fledged 5d3/1dx af array is only available with some select new and expensive lenses?

Yeah, new and expensive lenses like the EF 50mm f/1.8 II and the EF 35mm f/2, both from 1990 and one of them costing just over $100. I guess you didn't look into the 5DIII/1D X specs much, either. :

LOL, you've made your point - I can use the full 1dx af array with a 50/1.8 ;-)

My point is: popular lenses like 24-70L1/2.8, 100mm macros/2.8 aren't group A - other popular budget choices like the 400/5.6 have a lot less cross-points which is about on par with the d750. Thus general statements are difficult with the Canon system while Nikon really just depends on the max. aperture up to 11 cross points at f8 (5d3: 1 (one)).

 

[scyrene]

Clearly Canon is no longer top of the pile when it comes to IQ coming out of the sensors in digital cameras, in certain select situations, and ignoring considerations like lenses, flash systems, autofocus performance, etc.

There, I fixed that for you.

In the time I took to consider whether I could be bothered to take him up on that, you beat me to it!