Anyone else want a cropped sensor?

[adhocphotographer]

I realise I am in the minority, but I am NOT currently in the market for FF body (not that I wouldn’t like one, just I have not got the glass or the money), but am dieing to replace my banged up 450D.
So what do folks think the next cropped bodies will be like? Is there anyone else out there who wants one?

 

[whatta]

I have only crop lenses so far and I want a relatively small camera, so I am one of them

I expected the 650d (the camera I have been waiting for.?) for the CP+..

 

[briansquibb]

I realise I am in the minority, but I am NOT currently in the market for FF body (not that I wouldn’t like one, just I have not got the glass or the money), but am dieing to replace my banged up 450D.
So what do folks think the next cropped bodies will be like? Is there anyone else out there who wants one?

A used 40D is very good value for money

 

[funkboy]

A used 40D is very good value for money

I'll second that. The only thing that would compel me to move up to something more modern is video & focus calibration. The viewfinder is quite good for a crop camera (though not as good as the 7D). The interchangeable focus screens make it a snap to add a Katz Eye for manual focus lenses. The AF is better than the unit in the 5DII & 6+fps is pretty fast if you need speed.

If you've got the scratch, the 7D is really a very good camera. There may be a 7D MKII announced at Photokina this year (or maybe CES next year, who knows), but don't let that stop you if you need a camera now. Prices have really come down recently.

 

[nicku]

Yes, i want a cropped sensor... a 7D mk2 that use a APS-H sensor ( cropped ) and the ability to use EF-s lenses.

 

[alipaulphotography]

I realise I am in the minority, but I am NOT currently in the market for FF body (not that I wouldn’t like one, just I have not got the glass or the money), but am dieing to replace my banged up 450D.
So what do folks think the next cropped bodies will be like? Is there anyone else out there who wants one?

You have plenty of cropped bodies already on the market for sale at very reasonable prices. 550D 600D 40D 50D 60D 7D

All of which are significant upgrades to your 450D and would more than meet your requirements.

The majority of us are after a small bodied full frame with more than 1 useable AF point - is that so much to ask canon?

 

[KeithR]

The majority of us

You can't gauge what "the majority of us" want from comments on here.

 

[Rampado]

The majority of us

You can't gauge what "the majority of us" want from comments on here.

you´re right! but I am with him! A cheap full frame!

 

[motorhead]

Ever since buying my one and only crop camera, the 30D, I've been pining for a return to full frame. Now I finally have a 5D2, the answer to your question is a catagorical NO!

 

[alipaulphotography]

The majority of us

You can't gauge what "the majority of us" want from comments on here.

Very true. My point was that cropped bodies are well provided for at the moment where as those after a non gripped full frame with more than one useable AF point are not.

 

[Maui5150]

There are a lot of great crop bodies that are cheap upgrades from your 450D... the 60D or 7D are fine examples... heck even the T2i or T3i are a nice bump.

I think with the advent of the improvements in the Sony NEX and some of the other cameras in general, the Crop Body is heading towards more of a Prosumer line and the 7D goes away into the 70D

Know that is not what some what to hear, but I can see with competition, there is a blurring of differences between Crop and Full Frame in terms of body performance and can't see Canon or Nikon really selling two cameras with very similar attributes other than one FF and one Crop.

 

[mStevens]

I also have a 40D and I do love it for taking soccer pictures. I am considering the 7D now that prices have dropped. However, I really want a cropped frame that has excellent ISO so I am going to sit tight to see what new cameras are released this year. If Canon does not come out with a new cropped frame, I will move up to a FF that has better ISO.

 

[recon photography]

i would buy a 70d if it came out in about three months

 

[sawsedge]

I have a 50D and I have great prints on the wall from it, so I'm not worried about sensors or sizes. I will benefit from better ISO and DR of course, but the most important upgrade for me will be AF. I'm waiting to see what the 7D2 brings. I'd have gotten the 7D but my wife would have killed me... waiting keeps me out of the doghouse.

 

[bonedaddy.p7]

I feel there are plenty of people in the market for crop sensors. some of us just don't have the money to leap to FF, others want the reach, and I'm sure there are others who have other reasons.

Personally, I don't consider the 60D or 7D cheap with my budget, so I am holding out for a 7D2 or a 70D with features like the 7D (micro adjust, AF and 2 axis level being the big items for me). My Budget could allow for a 5D2 at the current prices but not any adequate glass to go with it, plus I don't like the idea of spending so much money on something that will in all likelihood be replaced soon (personal preference, the 5D2 is still a wonderful camera).

 

[mb66energy]

I realise I am in the minority, but I am NOT currently in the market for FF body (not that I wouldn’t like one, just I have not got the glass or the money), but am dieing to replace my banged up 450D.
So what do folks think the next cropped bodies will be like? Is there anyone else out there who wants one?

Crop bodies have some advantages: Good compromise between price and performance, has larger DOF and makes ultra-compact tele lenses.
The EF2.0/100 on a crop body is a 2.0/160mm lens in 35equiv terms with the size of a larger standard lens!

... and some disadvantages: higher DOF, more noise especially at low ISO values, limited enlargement factors for print-outs.

For me a good crop camera (solid, high exposure range, good low ISO capability) make a great allrounder and fits to me tele centered style of photography - so that is, at the moment, my future. Think about the 5.6 400 which is "tele-converted" by the crop sensor into a 5.6 640 lens at moderate price and size ... you can afford it and you want to use it because it is light and compact. A full frame camera would smash that important advantage of crop bodies for my photographic necessities.

I see two lines of crop bodies: Follow ups of the existing lines of DSLRs but I see also a compact EVIL by canon with enhanced video capabilities and compactness (perhaps a new bayonet layout but with adaptor for EF/EF-S lenses). The compact evil would be interesting for me because I really LIKE my 40D (as a lot of participants of that thread) uiand I like to produce video staff with my lenses.

 

[JonJT]

I've also got a crop and, I'm sticking with it.

All this excitement about the upcoming FF models is exciting, though, because it provides a benchmark that future crop releases can be compared to. And, as many have pointed out, the tonal range, dynamic range and noise performance of Canon's crop sensors needs to be improved if they are going to remain competitive in the future.

 

[Forceflow]

Used 40D or 7D is the way to go for me. Have both and love both, if you've got the cash get a 7D, else try to get your hands on a used 40D. I don't much care for the 50D or 60D since those lack some features that I really liked on my 40D.

 

[RuneL]

No.

I have the 1.3 crop and have gotten used to it during the last 7 years. But now it's time I think, tech has evolved and allows faster clearing of the data from the larger sensor area and the larger sensors are cheaper to make, you'll get used to not having the extra reach. Full frame is the future, but for now, and probably the next year or two I'll keep using mine and not be bothered by it. It simply doesn't matter.

Oh yeah: And your original thoughts on the crop lenses and such is one of the reasons that I have gotten many people very angry by asking them why the hell they bought EF-S lenses and that the new mount was a mongrel bastard that should never have been born.

 

[Mt Spokane Photography]

Crop sensors sell by far the largest number of DSLR camera bodies, so a ton of people want them. Typically, they want to buy the newest and greatest model.

Thats why the camera manufacturers put out a new beginner model each year, even if it has only tiny changes, that makes it a new model, and they can raise the price a few hundred dollars.

Most of those who post here, like you, are a bit selective about their choice, and look carefully at their options.

Some, like me, would recommend buying a older model body, and a upgraded lens, keeping the outlay the same. Lenses are something to keep for many years, but bodies come and go.

However, if you do video, then new bodies often have some significant video improvements and might be just the thing. Determine what you really need, and go for that. Buy a upgraded lens if possible.