Anyone else want a cropped sensor?

[adamfilip]

No I don't want a cropped sensor.. its like asking does anyone want the same fuel economy but less horsepower..

 

[funkboy]

Personally I'd be extremely happy with 10-12 1DX pixels in an APS-C camera with a viewfinder a little better than the 7D (if that's possible, I know it's already 100%/1.0x).

I think the yearning for FF is mostly based on:

• very low noise floor at high ISO
• great viewfinder image
• very shallow DoF at moderate focal lengths

If the first two could be made very close to the 5D in a crop camera, then I think the DoF available at APS-C focal lengths is an acceptable compromise for a whole lot of people. Digic 5+ will certainly help things out in the noise department...

 

[wickidwombat]

Got my parents a 600D for xmas and my initial take on it
- quite plasticy build (lightweight so my mum is happy)
- flippy screen is great, makes taking low angle shots nice and easy. cant really see my parents diving around on the ground chasing angles
- built in flash control works well, needs line of sight but had it firing my 580s in a few minutes, really quick to set up. pretty cool.
- IQ same as the 60D and 7D takes pretty good shots when i whack some L glass on it. looks quite funny with a 70-200 or 300mm hanging off the front of it
- AF about the same as th 5D2 so nothing to write home about but fine for their uses
- Controls not bad to use I prefer the dials and joystick of higher end models

all up for the cheap price its quite a lot of camera that is'nt too shaby with the 18-55 kit lens perhaps once they get the hang of it all they might move up to the 17-55 f2.8 but for now they are happy with the kit lens.

I would imagine the 650D will improve on a few things. new sensor maybe
for the money though the 600D is pretty decent IMO

 

[whatta]

Crop sensors sell by far the largest number of DSLR camera bodies, so a ton of people want them.

I'd rather say the majority wants relatively small and cheap camera. it happens to be apsc now, but it is not the customer's decision, even though many of them do not even know what the difference is, but currently there are no options (maybe a 6d or 8d as cheap FF?). I'd prefer FF but not in the size and price of a 5d.

 

[wickidwombat]

Very true. My point was that cropped bodies are well provided for at the moment where as those after a non gripped full frame with more than one useable AF point are not.

Best summary in the least amount of words

 

[Mt Spokane Photography]

Crop sensors sell by far the largest number of DSLR camera bodies, so a ton of people want them.

I'd rather say the majority wants relatively small and cheap camera. it happens to be apsc now, but it is not the customer's decision, even though many of them do not even know what the difference is, but currently there are no options (maybe a 6d or 8d as cheap FF?). I'd prefer FF but not in the size and price of a 5d.

You might try reading Canons 2011 FY financial report. Demand for DSLR's continues to increase while sales of point and shoot remain flat. You will also note that in dollar value, DSLR sales far outstrip point and shoot sales. Canon's prediction doe DSLR sales was a whopping 69% of the camera sales dollars.

"Within the Consumer Business Unit, although Canon was affected by supply shortages caused by the quake and flooding, efforts to ramp up production and boost sales in response to robust demand resulted in significant
increases in year-on-year sales volumes for such digital SLR cameras as the competitively priced EOS Digital
Rebel T3i/T2i/T3, along with the EOS 5D Mark II and the new EOS 60D advanced-amateur models. As for
compact digital cameras, while such models as the PowerShot ELPH 100 HS/300 HS, PowerShot SX230 HS and
PowerShot ELPH 310 HS recorded healthy sales, unit sales for the year declined due to sluggish markets in
developed countries and the impact on production following the earthquake and floods."

 

[Beautor]

For the type of photography I do (sports, kids, and some landscape) I enjoy having a crop camera that gives me a little more reach. I'm not a pro and am not selling prints, so at this point I'm very happy with the image quality of my 40D. At this moment the camera highest on my wish list is the 7D.

My wife on the other hand does a lot of studio/portrait type of shooting and would really benefit from a full-frame camera. Right now we don't have the money to get her there, but hopefully in a year or so we can upgrade her from her 60D into a 5D mkii. I seriously doubt (assuming I don't win the lotto) that we'll be in the market for the 5Diii or x or whatever it will be called.

Our biggest investments to date have been in upgrading our glass. I'd rather have good quality glass in front of an older camera than vice versa.

 

[AprilForever]

I realise I am in the minority, but I am NOT currently in the market for FF body (not that I wouldn’t like one, just I have not got the glass or the money), but am dieing to replace my banged up 450D.
So what do folks think the next cropped bodies will be like? Is there anyone else out there who wants one?

No, you are not in the minority! There are many out there who think this also.

No I don't want a cropped sensor.. its like asking does anyone want the same fuel economy but less horsepower..

That's a false analogy. Grad you full-frame camera, shoot an image of a distant heron (20 meters); from the same point, mount a 7D on the same lens, and shoot the same picture. The bird will be much larger in the 7D's frame. Go ahead and crop the FF in post processing; you will not have the pixels tow work with it the way you would with a 7D.

Crop sensors sell by far the largest number of DSLR camera bodies, so a ton of people want them.

I'd rather say the majority wants relatively small and cheap camera. it happens to be apsc now, but it is not the customer's decision, even though many of them do not even know what the difference is, but currently there are no options (maybe a 6d or 8d as cheap FF?). I'd prefer FF but not in the size and price of a 5d.

If you want cheaper FF, get an old used film rebel for about 20 bucks. Otherwise, you won't get a cheaper FF. The 5D was revolutionary in part because it was a cheap FF. The "I want to kill the 7D to bring about a cheaper FF with 7D AF" cry many are echoing on these forums is not even realistic.

 

[DzPhotography]

Yes, i want a cropped sensor... a 7D mk2 that use a APS-H sensor ( cropped ) and the ability to use EF-s lenses.

well, I'm afraid that's not possible. EF-S lenses are only compatible with APS-C. You need FF lenses for APS-H... :

 

[AprilForever]

Yes, i want a cropped sensor... a 7D mk2 that use a APS-H sensor ( cropped ) and the ability to use EF-s lenses.

well, I'm afraid that's not possible. EF-S lenses are only compatible with APS-C. You need FF lenses for APS-H... :

Indeed. Even if they did work, there would be serious vignetting. The short back focus might get in the mirror's way, anyway.

 

[dougkerr]

All my sensors are at the original size as manufactured. Cropping them is really delicate work.

Best regards,

Doug

 

[DzPhotography]

All my sensors are at the original size as manufactured. Cropping them is really delicate work.

Best regards,

Doug

that made me lol in fact ;D

 

[briansquibb]

Yes, i want a cropped sensor... a 7D mk2 that use a APS-H sensor ( cropped ) and the ability to use EF-s lenses.

well, I'm afraid that's not possible. EF-S lenses are only compatible with APS-C. You need FF lenses for APS-H... :

Indeed. Even if they did work, there would be serious vignetting. The short back focus might get in the mirror's way, anyway.

Nikon have the capability to have DX lens on FX bodies. Anything is possible.

 

[wickidwombat]

Yes, i want a cropped sensor... a 7D mk2 that use a APS-H sensor ( cropped ) and the ability to use EF-s lenses.

well, I'm afraid that's not possible. EF-S lenses are only compatible with APS-C. You need FF lenses for APS-H... :

Indeed. Even if they did work, there would be serious vignetting. The short back focus might get in the mirror's way, anyway.

Nikon have the capability to have DX lens on FX bodies. Anything is possible.

I was wondering if this was actually physically possible.. waiting for neuro to chime in i'm sure he will know if an ef-s lens has enough coverage to use an APS-H sensor with a different mirror setup. of course they might do away with the mirror issue altogether

 

[bvukich]

Yes, i want a cropped sensor... a 7D mk2 that use a APS-H sensor ( cropped ) and the ability to use EF-s lenses.

well, I'm afraid that's not possible. EF-S lenses are only compatible with APS-C. You need FF lenses for APS-H... :

Indeed. Even if they did work, there would be serious vignetting. The short back focus might get in the mirror's way, anyway.

Nikon have the capability to have DX lens on FX bodies. Anything is possible.

I was wondering if this was actually physically possible.. waiting for neuro to chime in i'm sure he will know if an ef-s lens has enough coverage to use an APS-H sensor with a different mirror setup. of course they might do away with the mirror issue altogether

Nikon also has an extra 2.5mm to play with because of the larger register distance (46.5mm vs. 44mm). That in conjunction with knowing DX glass will need to function on FX bodies, shouldn't be that difficult (although it eliminates the benefit of being able to intrude into the mirror box restricted zone with WA lenses).

I would also speculate that (and I'm going from memory here, so correct me if I'm wrong)... Since Nikon originally only had DX bodies for digital, they wanted to provide "pro" quality glass for their existing customers, but knew some day they'd have FX bodies; they wanted to ensure a migration strategy. Canon (ok, technically Kodak guts) on the other hand, started with full frame digital and bodies, and added crop; so they really didn't have the incentive to either provide top quality glass for crop, or provide any migration strategy to FF.

Yes, both Nikon and Canon had APS-C film bodies before digital, but nothing important ("pro" or volume wise) enough to be able to dictate lens strategy.

 

[bycostello]

all horses for courses... if i was wildlife photographer i'd want a crop lens too

 

[briansquibb]

all horses for courses... if i was wildlife photographer i'd want a crop lens too

I think they do - a 1.3 crop

 

[Marsu42]

So what do folks think the next cropped bodies will be like? Is there anyone else out there who wants one?

I really don't care if my body has a crop sensor or not - I'm interested in the functionality of the body and the pictures resulting from the sensor-lens combination. However, one advantage of ff is the large viewfinder.

The only thing that is very stange that I am currently only using ef lenses that aren't made for my aps-c body - this is historically understandable, and with older lenses it's just fine that only the center is used. But shelling out a lot of €€€/$$$ for an ef tele lens and thinking "great, on a crop body the reach is even further" is just ridiculous - I'm buying high quality glass and it's weight and will never use part of it.

 

[AprilForever]

So what do folks think the next cropped bodies will be like? Is there anyone else out there who wants one?

I really don't care if my body has a crop sensor or not - I'm interested in the functionality of the body and the pictures resulting from the sensor-lens combination. However, one advantage of ff is the large viewfinder.

The only thing that is very stange that I am currently only using ef lenses that aren't made for my aps-c body - this is historically understandable, and with older lenses it's just fine that only the center is used. But shelling out a lot of €€€/$$$ for an ef tele lens and thinking "great, on a crop body the reach is even further" is just ridiculous - I'm buying high quality glass and it's weight and will never use part of it.

On a crop body, you're using the best part of the glass.

 

[Neeneko]

I find the OP's initial comments to be rather amusing since, marketing-wise, people who like the smaller senors are in the vast majority and get preferential treatment by Canon... faster iterations, more bodies, etc.

If you want to talk minority.. my preferred sensor would be MF monochrome.. not that I can afford one of course ^_^ (at least not one that is not 5-10 years old).