Are These The EOS 7D Mark II Specifications?

[rajivsubs]

The CR guy is laughing all the way to the bank

The CR forum page on my monitor does not have any advertisement.

Otherwise, yes, 48 pages of comments for the 7D2 rumor is quite something. Is this perhaps the most discussed rumor on CR forum ever? Shows many folks have high hopes on the new (rumored) sensor technology....

Definitely an indication of pent-up demand..... I wonder how many will purchase one?

Of course there is pent-up demand and I probably will buy one too.....but 48 pages!!

Agree with Canon1, it's just a handful of guys making all the noise and what's with all the canon bashing based on rumored specs which are not even CR3!!

 

[x-vision]

Definitely an indication of pent-up demand..... I wonder how many will purchase one?

The 7D has had a unique value proposition of having advanced specs at an affordable price.
And now that a refresh is coming, there's naturally a lot of interest in its successor.

The thing is, many tried the original 7D but weren't impressed by its image quality.
The hope is that the 7DII will address that.

If the currently rumored specs are real, though, the 7DII will have the 70D sensor.
So, not much of an improvement in image quality.

Thus, the big interest in the 7DII might not translate into big sales.

Canon supposedly knows their business.
But they will be missing a golden opportunity, IMO, if they don't put a better sensor in the 7DII.
A certain group of users are reluctant to move to FF - and yet, wold appreciate better image quality.

As a 70D owner, I'm very interested in the 7DII. So, I'm (actively) contributing to the big interest in the 7DII.
I won't actually be buying one, though, if IQ is the same as the camera that I already have.

 

[privatebydesign]

Definitely an indication of pent-up demand..... I wonder how many will purchase one?

Not me, I never had any interest in the 7D after basic testing showed it was no better than my current FF cropped.

If you aren't getting more real resolution with a 7D than with a Canon full-frame, then you have problems elsewhere - lenses, focus, motion blur, etc.

If you are getting visibly more resolution from your 7D than a FF cropped then you are not using 1 series AF, 300 f2.8 IS's etc, you are also only using your crop camera on a tripod with live view MF in good light with nice contrast and at base iso at an optimal aperture. Anything less and the differences are just not there, I looked for them, hard, years ago.

 

[raptor3x]

Yeah Canon may eventually add 4k. That just shows Canon is no longer an innovator, just a follower.

Yeah, maybe Canon should follow Sony's innovative lossy compression that eliminates data from RAW files, or follow Panasonic's innovative inability to make a successful dSLR and give up like they did. 'Cuz, you know, DPAF and the ability to accurately autofocus track a moving subject during video, that's certainly not innovative. :

Didn't you know?

in·no·va·tion
noun \ˌi-nə-ˈvā-shən\

: being first to market with features I want.

The point is irrelevant anyway as Canon beat everyone else to the 4K DSLR market by ~2 years with the 1DC.

 

[Tugela]

Yeah Canon may eventually add 4k. That just shows Canon is no longer an innovator, just a follower.

Yeah, maybe Canon should follow Sony's innovative lossy compression that eliminates data from RAW files, or follow Panasonic's innovative inability to make a successful dSLR and give up like they did. 'Cuz, you know, DPAF and the ability to accurately autofocus track a moving subject during video, that's certainly not innovative. :

Didn't you know?

in·no·va·tion
noun \ˌi-nə-ˈvā-shən\

: being first to market with features I want.

The point is irrelevant anyway as Canon beat everyone else to the 4K DSLR market by ~2 years with the 1DC.

Not to the consumer market. Sony was there first with camcorders, and Panasonic with mirrorless. Both of those companies will start doing trickle down to their lower products in 2015, while Canon have not even put their toes in the water yet.

 

[raptor3x]

The point is irrelevant anyway as Canon beat everyone else to the 4K DSLR market by ~2 years with the 1DC.

Not to the consumer market. Sony was there first with camcorders, and Panasonic with mirrorless. Both of those companies will start doing trickle down to their lower products in 2015, while Canon have not even put their toes in the water yet.

That's fine but the original claim was that Canon wasn't being innovative any longer and was only following other company's leads. That's clearly untrue as Canon beat everyone else to market by ~2 years. Sony and Panasonic's main claim to 4K innovation is little more than a price cut, although that's not completely fair in the A7S' case due to the excellent high ISO performance.

 

[Marauder]

Definitely an indication of pent-up demand..... I wonder how many will purchase one?

The 7D has had a unique value proposition of having advanced specs at an affordable price.
And now that a refresh is coming, there's naturally a lot of interest in its successor.

The thing is, many tried the original 7D but weren't impressed by its image quality.
The hope is that the 7DII will address that.

If the currently rumored specs are real, though, the 7DII will have the 70D sensor.
So, not much of an improvement in image quality.

Thus, the big interest in the 7DII might not translate into big sales.

Canon supposedly knows their business.
But they will be missing a golden opportunity, IMO, if they don't put a better sensor in the 7DII.
A certain group of users are reluctant to move to FF - and yet, wold appreciate better image quality.

As a 70D owner, I'm very interested in the 7DII. So, I'm (actively) contributing to the big interest in the 7DII.
I won't actually be buying one, though, if IQ is the same as the camera that I already have.

That sounds rather like the 7D was a flash in the pan, abandoned early due to poor IQ. But that hasn't been the case. It's been a strong seller for 5 long years in a very competitive market place. I enjoy my 7D. I'd like the new one to have IQ improvements of course. And even if it is a 70D IQ, based on reviews of that camera, the 7D2 will have an IQ improvement over the original 7D. Would I like it to beat the 70D in the IQ department--absolutely! A significant improvement over the 70D would be fantastic and even a slight improvement would be beneficial. However, if it only "matches" the 70D IQ, yet brings a whole host of other technical improvements to AF/burst and buffer over both the 70D and original 7D, I still think the 7D2 will be phenomenal. In the end, it will have better IQ than the 7D as it will at least match the 70D, plus it will be a fantastic performer for fast action. There is always the hope too that it will be better than the 70D's IQ, even if it uses a 20.2 MP sensor. Although it became common to say that the 7D's 18MP sensor was just repeated all the way through to the SL1, the truth is each iteration brought IQ improvements, so the 7D2 sensor may perform better, even if it shares architecture with the 70D sensor.

In the end, even if the 7D2 doesn't offer the quantum leap in IQ we all might hope and wish for, in other areas, such as AF and speed are getting a quantum leap in ability! Canon tends to deliver well thought out and great performing cameras that just work so well as a package that supposed technical "shortcomings" just don't end up mattering as much as people thought they would. When the 5d3 came out there was much gnashing of teeth over its moderate increase in resolution-yet the reality is that it does have considerable IQ advantages to the 5D2. Moreover, it went from having a sub-par AF to one of the best in the business. And with a burst rate that makes it suitable for a variety of tasks for which the 5D2 was inadequate--such as wildlife,action and sport. In the end, the 5D3 proved its critics wrong by being one of the best general purpose cameras one could hope for.

I think much of the criticism coming towards the 7D2 will evaporate once the camera releases. It won't be for everyone but I think it will be superb for its target audience of wildlife/action and sport shooters. Great for general purpose too, but fantastic for anyone who needs a camera that gives 1DX like speed and accuracy on a crop frame body. 8)

 

[rrcphoto]

So what are the engineering considerations involved in on-sensor ADC?

This is VERY! simplified, but here goes....

When you look at a 500 nanometer process and pixels that are 4000 nanometers square, your lithography is only capable of 64 (8x8) blocks to draw circuitry inside that pixel.... and don't forget that when you draw a line you need space on each side of it! If you consider that the pixel has a border, then that means that there are only 36 (6x6) blocks left... that means that you are starting your sensor design with only 36/64 or 56 percent of your surface area usable.

And this is almost certainly the reason why Canon currently has the A/D circuitry on the external DIGIC chips.... there is not room on the sensor to do anything else.....

or they dont' have the patents to do it legally?

you may have forgotten . but sony patented their ADC on die technology.

 

[pj1974]

Definitely an indication of pent-up demand..... I wonder how many will purchase one?

I thought the same thing, but when scrolling through all the pages, there are really only a handful of characters making the majority of all of this noise. But I do think that the existence of hundreds of 7DII posts that have popped up here over the last year might be a good indication of pent up demand.

To answer your question: I'll likely be an early adopter.

Same for me...
I was sorely tempted when to 70D came out... but sat on it in the hopes of an even better AF system on a successor to the 7D.... As long as they don't make it worse than the 70D (and that just isn't going to happen) I intend to get one too.... perhaps I should start up a poll

The 7DmkII is definitely a camera that I’m interested in purchasing.

My first DSLR was the Canon 350D. I’m very happy with my purchase of the 7D a short time after it was released. The 7D is, understandably, superior in every way. I enjoy a mix of photography, but mainly landscape, wildlife, macro & some ‘events’ (usually in reasonable light – eg outdoor & children camps that I am also the director of).

The 7D’s size, features, ergonomics, IQ, responsiveness, etc – really make it a great camera. I’m assuming that the 7DmkII would be an ‘action-oriented’ APS-C with a rich good feature set. I would be very surprised if it was anything but this.

I have a range of lenses that really suit my 7D, from my awesome UWA Sigma 8-16mm to my handy all purpose Canon 15-85mm. I also own the delicious Canon 100mm macro (I love live-view for many macro shots) to the compact yet high IQ tele-zoom Canon 70-300mm L.

How soon I might purchase a 7DmkII depends on a number of factors:
- If my 7D ‘kicks the bucket’ – or develops some other serious fault
- IQ improvement over the 7D, especially at low ISO in poor light
- AF (I have learned to get great shots by understanding the 7D’s AF ability well)
- Screen (touch screen, sturdy swivel screen my hope)
- Price (this is obviously relatively important, but to me I have an approximate budget of AUD$2,500 set aside)
- Who knows, Canon might release a 7DmkIII 2 years down the track, and I might end up getting that instead!

I don’t plan to move to FF for a number of reasons. I hope some of you will get a laugh out of this as one reason: to prove that one doesn’t need to use a FF DSLR to produce great photos!
In fact, I have many photos from an early P&S Fuji digital camera that I (and others) still consider ‘lovely photos’

So yes… I’m very much looking forward to the Photokina announcements, particularly if Canon has the 7DmkII coming out then (as far as I have read, the 7DmkII is not even a 100% certainty, though there appear to be a number of indicators that it IS coming out next month, right?) Sure multiple threads and surely 49 pages of posts in 1 thread can’t be wrong! Lol (And this is my contribution to this thread).

I might place a quick post on your other thread, Don! Cheers (again, like I have written previously – I particularly appreciate your positive and balanced input on this thread).

Have a good end to the week everyone… 1 more day and it’s the weekend here in Australia!
This weekend I turn 40….

Regards

Paul

 

[Don Haines]

Definitely an indication of pent-up demand..... I wonder how many will purchase one?

I thought the same thing, but when scrolling through all the pages, there are really only a handful of characters making the majority of all of this noise. But I do think that the existence of hundreds of 7DII posts that have popped up here over the last year might be a good indication of pent up demand.

To answer your question: I'll likely be an early adopter.

Same for me...
I was sorely tempted when to 70D came out... but sat on it in the hopes of an even better AF system on a successor to the 7D.... As long as they don't make it worse than the 70D (and that just isn't going to happen) I intend to get one too.... perhaps I should start up a poll

The 7DmkII is definitely a camera that I’m interested in purchasing.

My first DSLR was the Canon 350D. I’m very happy with my purchase of the 7D a short time after it was released. The 7D is, understandably, superior in every way. I enjoy a mix of photography, but mainly landscape, wildlife, macro & some ‘events’ (usually in reasonable light – eg outdoor & children camps that I am also the director of).

The 7D’s size, features, ergonomics, IQ, responsiveness, etc – really make it a great camera. I’m assuming that the 7DmkII would be an ‘action-oriented’ APS-C with a rich good feature set. I would be very surprised if it was anything but this.

I have a range of lenses that really suit my 7D, from my awesome UWA Sigma 8-16mm to my handy all purpose Canon 15-85mm. I also own the delicious Canon 100mm macro (I love live-view for many macro shots) to the compact yet high IQ tele-zoom Canon 70-300mm L.

How soon I might purchase a 7DmkII depends on a number of factors:
- If my 7D ‘kicks the bucket’ – or develops some other serious fault
- IQ improvement over the 7D, especially at low ISO in poor light
- AF (I have learned to get great shots by understanding the 7D’s AF ability well)
- Screen (touch screen, sturdy swivel screen my hope)
- Price (this is obviously relatively important, but to me I have an approximate budget of AUD$2,500 set aside)
- Who knows, Canon might release a 7DmkIII 2 years down the track, and I might end up getting that instead!

I don’t plan to move to FF for a number of reasons. I hope some of you will get a laugh out of this as one reason: to prove that one doesn’t need to use a FF DSLR to produce great photos!
In fact, I have many photos from an early P&S Fuji digital camera that I (and others) still consider ‘lovely photos’

So yes… I’m very much looking forward to the Photokina announcements, particularly if Canon has the 7DmkII coming out then (as far as I have read, the 7DmkII is not even a 100% certainty, though there appear to be a number of indicators that it IS coming out next month, right?) Sure multiple threads and surely 49 pages of posts in 1 thread can’t be wrong! Lol (And this is my contribution to this thread).

I might place a quick post on your other thread, Don! Cheers (again, like I have written previously – I particularly appreciate your positive and balanced input on this thread).

Have a good end to the week everyone… 1 more day and it’s the weekend here in Australia!
This weekend I turn 40….

Regards

Paul

Happy Birthday!
I hit 55 next weekend... I asked for a 600F4 for my birthday.... I will probably get a pair of socks

 

[Marauder]

Definitely an indication of pent-up demand..... I wonder how many will purchase one?

I thought the same thing, but when scrolling through all the pages, there are really only a handful of characters making the majority of all of this noise. But I do think that the existence of hundreds of 7DII posts that have popped up here over the last year might be a good indication of pent up demand.

To answer your question: I'll likely be an early adopter.

Same for me...
I was sorely tempted when to 70D came out... but sat on it in the hopes of an even better AF system on a successor to the 7D.... As long as they don't make it worse than the 70D (and that just isn't going to happen) I intend to get one too.... perhaps I should start up a poll

The 7DmkII is definitely a camera that I’m interested in purchasing.

My first DSLR was the Canon 350D. I’m very happy with my purchase of the 7D a short time after it was released. The 7D is, understandably, superior in every way. I enjoy a mix of photography, but mainly landscape, wildlife, macro & some ‘events’ (usually in reasonable light – eg outdoor & children camps that I am also the director of).

The 7D’s size, features, ergonomics, IQ, responsiveness, etc – really make it a great camera. I’m assuming that the 7DmkII would be an ‘action-oriented’ APS-C with a rich good feature set. I would be very surprised if it was anything but this.

I have a range of lenses that really suit my 7D, from my awesome UWA Sigma 8-16mm to my handy all purpose Canon 15-85mm. I also own the delicious Canon 100mm macro (I love live-view for many macro shots) to the compact yet high IQ tele-zoom Canon 70-300mm L.

How soon I might purchase a 7DmkII depends on a number of factors:
- If my 7D ‘kicks the bucket’ – or develops some other serious fault
- IQ improvement over the 7D, especially at low ISO in poor light
- AF (I have learned to get great shots by understanding the 7D’s AF ability well)
- Screen (touch screen, sturdy swivel screen my hope)
- Price (this is obviously relatively important, but to me I have an approximate budget of AUD$2,500 set aside)
- Who knows, Canon might release a 7DmkIII 2 years down the track, and I might end up getting that instead!

I don’t plan to move to FF for a number of reasons. I hope some of you will get a laugh out of this as one reason: to prove that one doesn’t need to use a FF DSLR to produce great photos!
In fact, I have many photos from an early P&S Fuji digital camera that I (and others) still consider ‘lovely photos’

So yes… I’m very much looking forward to the Photokina announcements, particularly if Canon has the 7DmkII coming out then (as far as I have read, the 7DmkII is not even a 100% certainty, though there appear to be a number of indicators that it IS coming out next month, right?) Sure multiple threads and surely 49 pages of posts in 1 thread can’t be wrong! Lol (And this is my contribution to this thread).

I might place a quick post on your other thread, Don! Cheers (again, like I have written previously – I particularly appreciate your positive and balanced input on this thread).

Have a good end to the week everyone… 1 more day and it’s the weekend here in Australia!
This weekend I turn 40….

Regards

Paul

Happy Birthday!
I hit 55 next weekend... I asked for a 600F4 for my birthday.... I will probably get a pair of socks

Hopefully they are "Canon" socks!

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

Definitely an indication of pent-up demand..... I wonder how many will purchase one?

Not me, I never had any interest in the 7D after basic testing showed it was no better than my current FF cropped.

If you aren't getting more real resolution with a 7D than with a Canon full-frame, then you have problems elsewhere - lenses, focus, motion blur, etc.

If you are getting visibly more resolution from your 7D than a FF cropped then you are not using 1 series AF, 300 f2.8 IS's etc, you are also only using your crop camera on a tripod with live view MF in good light with nice contrast and at base iso at an optimal aperture. Anything less and the differences are just not there, I looked for them, hard, years ago.

No? What about only every test out there?

7D has quite noticeably more reach than a 5D3 or 5D2. And I say that as someone who sold my 7D so I'm not some 7D owner making up justifications.

 

[Don Haines]

Happy Birthday!
I hit 55 next weekend... I asked for a 600F4 for my birthday.... I will probably get a pair of socks

Hopefully they are "Canon" socks!

With size 13 1/2 feet I am almost guaranteed "Big Whites"...

 

[privatebydesign]

Definitely an indication of pent-up demand..... I wonder how many will purchase one?

Not me, I never had any interest in the 7D after basic testing showed it was no better than my current FF cropped.

If you aren't getting more real resolution with a 7D than with a Canon full-frame, then you have problems elsewhere - lenses, focus, motion blur, etc.

If you are getting visibly more resolution from your 7D than a FF cropped then you are not using 1 series AF, 300 f2.8 IS's etc, you are also only using your crop camera on a tripod with live view MF in good light with nice contrast and at base iso at an optimal aperture. Anything less and the differences are just not there, I looked for them, hard, years ago.

No? What about only every test out there?

7D has quite noticeably more reach than a 5D3 or 5D2. And I say that as someone who sold my 7D so I'm not some 7D owner making up justifications.

Show me one test done with the same lenses from the same place shooting the same subject handheld whilst using AF that demonstrates the 7D's resolution advantage. Don't worry about off base iso, optimal aperture etc, just handheld with AF, because that is how most people use their cameras.

 

[rrcphoto]

Definitely an indication of pent-up demand..... I wonder how many will purchase one?

Not me, I never had any interest in the 7D after basic testing showed it was no better than my current FF cropped.

If you aren't getting more real resolution with a 7D than with a Canon full-frame, then you have problems elsewhere - lenses, focus, motion blur, etc.

If you are getting visibly more resolution from your 7D than a FF cropped then you are not using 1 series AF, 300 f2.8 IS's etc, you are also only using your crop camera on a tripod with live view MF in good light with nice contrast and at base iso at an optimal aperture. Anything less and the differences are just not there, I looked for them, hard, years ago.

No? What about only every test out there?

7D has quite noticeably more reach than a 5D3 or 5D2. And I say that as someone who sold my 7D so I'm not some 7D owner making up justifications.

Show me one test done with the same lenses from the same place shooting the same subject handheld whilst using AF that demonstrates the 7D's resolution advantage. Don't worry about off base iso, optimal aperture etc, just handheld with AF, because that is how most people use their cameras.

if you are okay with a realized 8Mp pixel image from your sensor as your output (as an example), then the 7D would realize an effective FoV equivalent of around 720mm on a 300mm lens. The 1DX would have an effective FoV of around 450mm.

where you may get into problems is if your lenses can't handle the 18Mp APS-C sensor density - however if they can, especially at the center of the FF circle, than the 7D has a much higher effective FoV based upon it's pixel density - which is the equivalent of 46Mp for a full frame sensor.

even if you are not cropping the image down, the 7D will have an effective FoV of 420mm versus 300mm per pixel over the 1DX.

 

[Lee Jay]

Show me one test done with the same lenses from the same place shooting the same subject handheld whilst using AF that demonstrates the 7D's resolution advantage. Don't worry about off base iso, optimal aperture etc, just handheld with AF, because that is how most people use their cameras.

I would never have thought to do an UNcontrolled test to validate a hypothesis.

Most everything I shoot is moving - fast. How would you suggest I shoot identical shots with two cameras of the same subject? Oh, if the subject isn't moving then the test is trivial, as shooting a stationary subject is no test for AF or handholdability.

 

[Loswr]

Most everything I shoot is moving - fast. How would you suggest I shoot identical shots with two cameras of the same subject?

Auto racing, standing at a turn with cars coming toward you. 500 chances to shoot the same car going around the track...

 

[Lee Jay]

Most everything I shoot is moving - fast. How would you suggest I shoot identical shots with two cameras of the same subject?

Auto racing, standing at a turn with cars coming toward you. 500 chances to shoot the same car going around the track...

Okay, add "without falling asleep" to the criteria.

 

[Don Haines]

Most everything I shoot is moving - fast. How would you suggest I shoot identical shots with two cameras of the same subject?

Auto racing, standing at a turn with cars coming toward you. 500 chances to shoot the same car going around the track...

duct tape a stuffed animal to a ceiling fan?

 

[privatebydesign]

Definitely an indication of pent-up demand..... I wonder how many will purchase one?

Not me, I never had any interest in the 7D after basic testing showed it was no better than my current FF cropped.

If you aren't getting more real resolution with a 7D than with a Canon full-frame, then you have problems elsewhere - lenses, focus, motion blur, etc.

If you are getting visibly more resolution from your 7D than a FF cropped then you are not using 1 series AF, 300 f2.8 IS's etc, you are also only using your crop camera on a tripod with live view MF in good light with nice contrast and at base iso at an optimal aperture. Anything less and the differences are just not there, I looked for them, hard, years ago.

No? What about only every test out there?

7D has quite noticeably more reach than a 5D3 or 5D2. And I say that as someone who sold my 7D so I'm not some 7D owner making up justifications.

Show me one test done with the same lenses from the same place shooting the same subject handheld whilst using AF that demonstrates the 7D's resolution advantage. Don't worry about off base iso, optimal aperture etc, just handheld with AF, because that is how most people use their cameras.

if you are okay with a realized 8Mp pixel image from your sensor as your output (as an example), then the 7D would realize an effective FoV equivalent of around 720mm on a 300mm lens. The 1DX would have an effective FoV of around 450mm.

where you may get into problems is if your lenses can't handle the 18Mp APS-C sensor density - however if they can, especially at the center of the FF circle, than the 7D has a much higher effective FoV based upon it's pixel density - which is the equivalent of 46Mp for a full frame sensor.

even if you are not cropping the image down, the 7D will have an effective FoV of 420mm versus 300mm per pixel over the 1DX.

And you clearly have never done the comparison I just asked for. Stop talking theoretical maths, it doesn't work like that, and show me some pictures that prove what you are saying.

Take a look at these first.

http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=22399.msg429558#msg429558

http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=22161.0

Then remember, my simple challenge was "Show me one test done with the same lenses from the same place shooting the same subject handheld whilst using AF that demonstrates the 7D's resolution advantage."