AutoISO messed up.... AGAIN? arrrrrrr it's just not that difficult

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#61
Re: Manual Mode 5D mark iii

bloodstupid said:
briansquibb said:
This is how to do it on a series 1 body - using AV mode

http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php/topic,4367.msg89997.html#msg89997
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The original complaint was about the 5d III, what a 1 series can do isnt much of a help.
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You are quite correct - but this was a response to a post that was generically discussing modes. If you looked through the threads you would have found that the 5DIII has a crippled version of this approach.
 
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#63
Re: Manual Mode 5D mark iii

wickidwombat said:
iso79 said:
Learn exposure and how to shoot in manual mode and never look back.
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i wish i had an applaud button to hit repeatedly in agreement with you here
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I agree in that I use M most of the time, sometimes with autoiso, sometimes not. Although now I have discovered the faux M mode which allows ec I am starting to use that (series 1 only)
 
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#65
wickidwombat said:
faux m mode?
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This only applies to Series 1. Basically set mode to AV and set shutter speed in C.fn 1 - 12 (setting min and max the same ) means the iso becomes auto - but because you are in AV you have ec as well. This approach gives the same functionality as M mode - hence the faux M mode.

Objective: Set set a minimum and maximum shutter speed. In Av mode if the shutter speed dropped below the mimimum then the ISO would be bumped up so that the minimum was reached again.

Method:

- enable safety shift (iso speed) C.Fn 1 - 8
- set shutter speed range C.fn 1 - 12 ( set the minimum shutter speed )

In the field:

- set the Av value
- set the base iso value (can be L so then it acts as auto iso)
- set exp comp as needed (yes we get exp comp and auto iso this way)

I was photographing karts this morning so I set the minimum Tv to 1/500, Av at f/4 and iso100 which was about the critical point. ISO went up and down as expected, Tv went above 500 when the cloud lifted

So there you are - how to get auto iso with iso and Av limits set.
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#67
wickidwombat said:
ah gotcha

personally i find shooting in M the fastest way with shutter speed at my finger tip having to press a button for ec takes too long

I havent actually even tried auto iso on the mk3 yet

so much to try out so little time :(
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I think it has its place - ie sports where you know how fast you need the shutter speed and the av is the one to change (for dof) and know that the iso will follow you

You can also do a faux TV mode but I haven't worked out how useful that might be - setting the av in the settings and varying the TV - again perhaps sports for fast and slow corners and panning. Personally it is av I change most to get the right dof which is dependant on how close you are to the subject
 
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#68
This thread just show how brainwashed Canon shooters have become. Shoot M becasue the metering doesn't work? But it SHOULD work, this is 2012, not 1960, why can't we have a DSLR with M AND metering that works? - Oh, because it's a Canon and only 'real' photographers should try to use a Canon anD they shouldn't even have Av or Tv modes anyway, never mind auto ISO? Give me a break!

I'm in agreement with the OP. Plain stupid not having EC with M+auto ISO (or they could have called it something else if the 'M' in that setup is confusing).

Sounds like the 5DIII is again less useful in this regard than decent (Canon) compacts - so actually the company does know how to do this.
 
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ejenner said:
This thread just show how brainwashed Canon shooters have become. Shoot M becasue the metering doesn't work? But it SHOULD work, this is 2012, not 1960, why can't we have a DSLR with M AND metering that works? - Oh, because it's a Canon and only 'real' photographers should try to use a Canon anD they shouldn't even have Av or Tv modes anyway, never mind auto ISO? Give me a break!

I'm in agreement with the OP. Plain stupid not having EC with M+auto ISO (or they could have called it something else if the 'M' in that setup is confusing).

Sounds like the 5DIII is again less useful in this regard than decent (Canon) compacts - so actually the company does know how to do this.
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That shows just how anti Canon you are. Presented with the method that is EC with M+Auto ISO you are in total denial.
 
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ejenner said:
This thread just show how brainwashed Canon shooters have become. Shoot M becasue the metering doesn't work? But it SHOULD work, this is 2012, not 1960, why can't we have a DSLR with M AND metering that works? - Oh, because it's a Canon and only 'real' photographers should try to use a Canon anD they shouldn't even have Av or Tv modes anyway, never mind auto ISO? Give me a break!

I'm in agreement with the OP. Plain stupid not having EC with M+auto ISO (or they could have called it something else if the 'M' in that setup is confusing).

Sounds like the 5DIII is again less useful in this regard than decent (Canon) compacts - so actually the company does know how to do this.
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Nikon Rumours is THAT way...

If you're so anti Canon, why are you even here?
 
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#71
D.Sim said:
Nikon Rumours is THAT way...

If you're so anti Canon, why are you even here?
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Because I'm not anti-Canon. I've only every had Canon DLSR's and now even all my compacts are all Canon. Just becasue I'm a Canon fan doesn't mean I don't get frustrated with their cameras sometimes.

But, instead of posting on a forum, emailing them directly would be more useful.
 
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#74
ejenner said:
briansquibb said:
Presented with the method that is EC with M+Auto ISO you are in total denial.
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For 1D series cameras? OK, but I'm too weak to lug one of those around, so we get penalized for not being 'butch' enough?
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Not at all, that's what assistants/bags/family members/significant others are for. =) If you get the right support system/strap/etc if could make a world of difference on weight.
 
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#76
Re: Manual Mode 5D mark iii

iso79 said:
Learn exposure and how to shoot in manual mode and never look back.
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Oh thats right! Because anyone who uses a semi auto mode totally misunderstands how to expose!!

Ridiculous. Different tools for different jobs. I'd like to see you change exposure when you have 1/10 second to do so.
 
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#77
for those who understand what Auto-ISO is and have use for it in their photography, Canon is still not offering a good implementation of the feature. While 1-series cams at least offer some more or lesse clumsy work-arounds, all other bodies have intensily annoying limitations to Auto-ISO functionality, although this is just a cheap and easy firmware item.

Compared to what would be REALLY RIGHT in an advanced DSLR of 2012, the Nikon D4 & D800 come closest:
1. EC correction available in M-mode with Auto-ISO ... YES
2. Minimum threshold for shutter time 1s to 1/4000 [not limited to 1/250s] ... YES
3. In modes A, P where cam determines shutter-speed, focal length is taken into account ... YES
4. this shutter speed can be further fine-tuned slower/faster by user ... YES
5. Auto-ISO in D800 [@ € 2800] not crippled, but exactly as in flagship-model D4 @ 6k ... YES

-> http://www.nikonusa.com/en_US/o/Y6wrkA9OU_z04IreazIXl_22UII/PDF/D800_TechnicalGuide_En.pdf
on page 12 you can see, how smart and easy Auto-ISO can and should be in 2012:

This is the MINIMUM I expect in a camera 20% MORE EXPENSIVE than the D800 ... if Canon wants me to buy it. :-)
 
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AvTvM said:
for those who understand what Auto-ISO is and have use for it in their photography, Canon is still not offering a good implementation of the feature. While 1-series cams at least offer some more or lesse clumsy work-arounds, all other bodies have intensily annoying limitations to Auto-ISO functionality, although this is just a cheap and easy firmware item.

Compared to what would be REALLY RIGHT in an advanced DSLR of 2012, the Nikon D4 & D800 come closest:
1. EC correction available in M-mode with Auto-ISO ... YES
2. Minimum threshold for shutter time 1s to 1/4000 [not limited to 1/250s] ... YES
3. In modes A, P where cam determines shutter-speed, focal length is taken into account ... YES
4. this shutter speed can be further fine-tuned slower/faster by user ... YES
5. Auto-ISO in D800 [@ € 2800] not crippled, but exactly as in flagship-model D4 @ 6k ... YES

-> http://www.nikonusa.com/en_US/o/Y6wrkA9OU_z04IreazIXl_22UII/PDF/D800_TechnicalGuide_En.pdf
on page 12 you can see, how smart and easy Auto-ISO can and should be in 2012:

This is the MINIMUM I expect in a camera 20% MORE EXPENSIVE than the D800 ... if Canon wants me to buy it. :-)
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All these points can be done in the 1D4 (except for #3 as there is no P mode)
 
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