Bad rumor alert: 6D2 to be abandoned in favor of FF mirrorless instead?

[Orangutan]

• larger sensor to cover both portrait and landscape orientation simultaneously (no need to rotate the body)
• multi-sensor design to either capture more light (by eliminating the Bayer filter), or to preserve extreme highlights

Your last two points on high end: surely the mirror isn't the limiting factor here.

Probably can't physically fit multiple sensors plus a prism or partial-mirror into that space with the mirror assembly there.

 

[tron]

I just don't get where the advantage is meant to be over a mirror at the present time.

The advantages are all the features you'd expect:

• Zebras
• Focus peaking
• seeing what the sensor sees
• Faster frame rate (no need to move a mirror)

For high-end/expensive mirrorless bodies (unlikely, but still possible)

• larger sensor to cover both portrait and landscape orientation simultaneously (no need to rotate the body)
• multi-sensor design to either capture more light (by eliminating the Bayer filter), or to preserve extreme highlights

Zebras and focus peaking are already implemented by Magic Lantern...

 

[Orangutan]

I just don't get where the advantage is meant to be over a mirror at the present time.

The advantages are all the features you'd expect:

• Zebras
• Focus peaking
• seeing what the sensor sees
• Faster frame rate (no need to move a mirror)

For high-end/expensive mirrorless bodies (unlikely, but still possible)

• larger sensor to cover both portrait and landscape orientation simultaneously (no need to rotate the body)
• multi-sensor design to either capture more light (by eliminating the Bayer filter), or to preserve extreme highlights

Zebras and focus peaking are already implemented by Magic Lantern...

Not through the viewfinder

 

[tron]

I just don't get where the advantage is meant to be over a mirror at the present time.

The advantages are all the features you'd expect:

• Zebras
• Focus peaking
• seeing what the sensor sees
• Faster frame rate (no need to move a mirror)

For high-end/expensive mirrorless bodies (unlikely, but still possible)

• larger sensor to cover both portrait and landscape orientation simultaneously (no need to rotate the body)
• multi-sensor design to either capture more light (by eliminating the Bayer filter), or to preserve extreme highlights

Zebras and focus peaking are already implemented by Magic Lantern...

Not through the viewfinder

Obviously but still a useful LV feature...

 

[Alex_M]

that was a joke, right?

Go ahead Canon, please make Eye AF, IBIS in a compact body.
replace all old USM with STM, there is a bright future

 

[hbr]

Don't yet own a mirror less camera, so correct me if I am wrong, but one of the advantages of the 6D was that I could focus and shoot in near total darkness. I have read that an EVF is not as good as the optical viewfinder in that regards.

I think the major manufacturers still have a ways to go to convince photographers that mirror less is the way to go.

I stick by what I said earlier - the 6D II is highly anticipated and to make that drastic a change at this point would be a mistake. A couple of years from now could be a different matter.

 

[sdsr]

Focus peaking ? Meh, it sounds great in theory, in practice I have found it to be pretty useless. Only really works when there is a very, very shallow dof and even then I'm not convinced it is any improvement over an "s" screen.

I think it's overrated too. It works better with sharper, higher contrast lenses, sometimes well enough that I can use it by itself; but I (like most people, I suspect) prefer to use it in conjunction with magnification, and it's nice to have both together in the viewfinder; I find the two together to work extremely well. Other advantages - never having to even consider AFMA and, depending on camera design, the ability to attach just about any lens. regardless of who made it.

 

[sdsr]

Canon would be wise to keep the existing form factor - especially the existing flange distance. Not just because of the popularity and huge variety of existing EF and EF-S lenses, but because - so far - the small flange distance the Sony's have is a real problem for IQ away from the frame's center. Small and thin sounds good, but so far only MFT and APS-C cameras work well with that form factor.

The problems you're referring to seems to apply only to certain wide-angle lenses (which may be sufficient reason not to bother, of course); it doesn't apply at all to the focal lengths I use most often (50mm and longer).

 

[pokerz]

that was a joke, right?

Go ahead Canon, please make Eye AF, IBIS in a compact body.
replace all old USM with STM, there is a bright future

why not, it is on wishlist

 

[Luds34]

seeing what the sensor sees

Okay, this one I've never gotten... yet. I haven't used an EVF yet that is anywhere near representative of color, exposure, etc. of the image captured. In fact, the image colorwise/brightness varies incredibly between the EVF and back LCD on many cameras. I use an EVF just like an OVF, for composition.

I just find it ironic that we can have big discussions about monitors and displays, 10 bit panels, color calibration tools, etc. yet we just except EVFs as gospel? Sure they'll get better, but today they are all but useless in that regard.

 

[Aussie shooter]

Not to mention the lag in the evf which despite what many say bugs the crap out of me. It may not matter so mich on what is primarily not an action camera but still. For me the only benifit of mirrorless is small size. Without that i just dont see the point.

 

[nda]

Focus peaking ? Meh, it sounds great in theory, in practice I have found it to be pretty useless. Only really works when there is a very, very shallow dof and even then I'm not convinced it is any improvement over an "s" screen.

I think it's overrated too. It works better with sharper, higher contrast lenses, sometimes well enough that I can use it by itself; but I (like most people, I suspect) prefer to use it in conjunction with magnification, and it's nice to have both together in the viewfinder; I find the two together to work extremely well. Other advantages - never having to even consider AFMA and, depending on camera design, the ability to attach just about any lens. regardless of who made it.

Well I think its underrated and the best thing since sliced bread! I use focus peaking with my A7R2 & A72 with my old FD Canon lenses and I'm getting great results, I also have the 50mm & 35mm Loxia's and there just as good, manual focus and peaking has made photography fun again! for me 8)

 

[sdsr]

Focus peaking ? Meh, it sounds great in theory, in practice I have found it to be pretty useless. Only really works when there is a very, very shallow dof and even then I'm not convinced it is any improvement over an "s" screen.

I think it's overrated too. It works better with sharper, higher contrast lenses, sometimes well enough that I can use it by itself; but I (like most people, I suspect) prefer to use it in conjunction with magnification, and it's nice to have both together in the viewfinder; I find the two together to work extremely well. Other advantages - never having to even consider AFMA and, depending on camera design, the ability to attach just about any lens. regardless of who made it.

Well I think its underrated and the best thing since sliced bread! I use focus peaking with my A7R2 & A72 with my old FD Canon lenses and I'm getting great results, I also have the 50mm & 35mm Loxia's and there just as good, manual focus and peaking has made photography fun again! for me 8)

I quite agree re the appeal of manual focusing (that's the main reason why I have an a7s & a7rII), but do you find peaking by itself to be accurate? I usually get better results when combining it with magnification.

 

[Luds34]

Not to mention the lag in the evf which despite what many say bugs the crap out of me. It may not matter so mich on what is primarily not an action camera but still. For me the only benifit of mirrorless is small size. Without that i just dont see the point.

Yep, I agree, as of today the biggest advantage of mirrorless is the smaller size (if designed that way).

The lag on the EVF is there and is annoying if you are shooting anything that is moving too fast. The good news is that is probably the easiest to fix (of all the EVF hangups), however at a cost of greater power consumption. So I think when battery tech gets a little better and processors continue to do more with lower power costs, they'll kick up the refresh rates and responsiveness on the EVF to something that will look real time.

 

[nda]

Focus peaking ? Meh, it sounds great in theory, in practice I have found it to be pretty useless. Only really works when there is a very, very shallow dof and even then I'm not convinced it is any improvement over an "s" screen.

I think it's overrated too. It works better with sharper, higher contrast lenses, sometimes well enough that I can use it by itself; but I (like most people, I suspect) prefer to use it in conjunction with magnification, and it's nice to have both together in the viewfinder; I find the two together to work extremely well. Other advantages - never having to even consider AFMA and, depending on camera design, the ability to attach just about any lens. regardless of who made it.

Well I think its underrated and the best thing since sliced bread! I use focus peaking with my A7R2 & A72 with my old FD Canon lenses and I'm getting great results, I also have the 50mm & 35mm Loxia's and there just as good, manual focus and peaking has made photography fun again! for me 8)

I quite agree re the appeal of manual focusing (that's the main reason why I have an a7s & a7rII), but do you find peaking by itself to be accurate? I usually get better results when combining it with magnification.

Yes magnification is great especially at wide apertures when focus is critical, at f/5.6 and narrower you can just use peaking I find it to be accurate Iearning the hyperfocal distances is also a great tool, manual focusing is very rewarding and helps with composition, once mastered its very accurate and fast ;D