banning people for nothing at canon rumors
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hamada said:
To sum up this particular instance of a banning: "and nothing of value was lost" . . . seems to be the sentiment.
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He was warned and suspended numerous times, and persisted in his unacceptable behavior.
The decision to ban an established member is never made lightly, it is usually after discussion between mods. He earned his ban 110%. In fact, he probably should have been banned earlier.
Dissent and disagreement is half the fun, you'll never get banned for that. Name calling, and disrespecting other users, inciting flame wars, will. It adds nothing to the discussion, and is generally counterproductive.
The decision to ban an established member is never made lightly, it is usually after discussion between mods. He earned his ban 110%. In fact, he probably should have been banned earlier.
Dissent and disagreement is half the fun, you'll never get banned for that. Name calling, and disrespecting other users, inciting flame wars, will. It adds nothing to the discussion, and is generally counterproductive.
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Quote from Neruo: "As for 'out of air accusations', how would you feel if, hypothetically, I called you, "Not the brightest bulb?"
Is this a way to skirt censoring & bans? Preface all insults with "hypothetically" ? ;D Just kidding mods. Dont want to be banned for 10 days again, which btw i deserved it imo. :-*
Is this a way to skirt censoring & bans? Preface all insults with "hypothetically" ? ;D Just kidding mods. Dont want to be banned for 10 days again, which btw i deserved it imo. :-*
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itsnotmeyouknow said:
Very funny. Wasnt aware of that comic strip. In my case, not "win an argument", just spending much time on CR, when i have other things i should be doing. Oh, who cares if the lawn is not mowed (the neighborhood ass ociation). :'(
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I received a ban a couple of months ago. In my opinion, it is really up to the mood of the moderator. If they want to ban you...they will warn you of course...but then if you post anything at all after that, it gets hyperfocused on by them...because well...they are in the mood to ban you.
This forum seems pretty much like all human-moderated forums. The playing field is not level, and certain members receive more perks and lattitude. That's true of all such forums of course. These members will make snide remarks, and if you respond in kind...you will get banned...if the mod wants to ban you. It's all very juvenile and click-ish like junior high school (or perhaps prison), but that's a forum for ya.
The internet is almost identical to a video game. Sometimes you just want to shoot what you see on the screen. The more you shoot, the more points you get. Personally I outgrew video games by about age 15. But these days, it seems there is a generation who is so narcissistic that they will never grow up. And they expect you to be happy about that, and to bow to their whims and their willful ignorance of the people and world around them. I guess that's why so many college grads these days aren't getting hired to do the type of work they expect. They feel so entitled that they will never learn the meaning of respect, and are happy to tap away at their iPhones even during a job interview...Why? Well, it's because they are the most important generation in the history of the world. Haven't you heard? That's how their parents and the current culture raised them. It's time for change.
This forum seems pretty much like all human-moderated forums. The playing field is not level, and certain members receive more perks and lattitude. That's true of all such forums of course. These members will make snide remarks, and if you respond in kind...you will get banned...if the mod wants to ban you. It's all very juvenile and click-ish like junior high school (or perhaps prison), but that's a forum for ya.
The internet is almost identical to a video game. Sometimes you just want to shoot what you see on the screen. The more you shoot, the more points you get. Personally I outgrew video games by about age 15. But these days, it seems there is a generation who is so narcissistic that they will never grow up. And they expect you to be happy about that, and to bow to their whims and their willful ignorance of the people and world around them. I guess that's why so many college grads these days aren't getting hired to do the type of work they expect. They feel so entitled that they will never learn the meaning of respect, and are happy to tap away at their iPhones even during a job interview...Why? Well, it's because they are the most important generation in the history of the world. Haven't you heard? That's how their parents and the current culture raised them. It's time for change.
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CarlTN said:
Very well put. Personally I find some of the sarcastic, snide comments that the "popular kids" use to goad some of the less sophisticated users more objectionable than the outright insults. Especially when those being picked on are from outside the English speaking world and may not understand certain nuances of language and behavior.
I actually think "banning" someone is itself kind of childish and needs to be reserved for extreme cases. There are a certain percentage of participants that are clearly social misfits with obsessive tendencies. The rest of the community has a certain responsibility not to feed their compulsions, even if it might be entertaining at times to try to do so.
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hamada said:
I monitor all new member signups, and he has not signed up a new account since the ban. However, there are two other existing members who use the same IP's as he does and who post similar sounding comments, but have not quite crossed the ban threshold.
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unfocused said:
Its the only way to stop some individuals who do not respond to repeated warnings and make the forum a miserable place to post by continually calling members names and berating them. THATS CHILDISH!!.
Why do you think its childish to issue bans as necessary to keep a forum a good place to visit and to give value to members.
Other than spammers advertising things like purses,shoes or porno, we only issue permanent bans to a extreme few users, maybe 2-3 at most in a year, and we agonize over those.
The sequence is usually issue a warning or two, then a 3 day or 10 day ban, then permanent. Even then, they have been reversed or let expire.
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I got a warning e-mail today and, I have to say, it made me a bit standoffish. Honestly, it took me *AN HOUR* to figure out what it was that I said.
Once I had, I thought "Really? I stressed myself out over THAT? That's not how I meant it . . . oh well, it was dumb I guess".
I e-mailed CR today about the warning and some general (constructive) suggestions, but afterwards, I went back and looked at the simple-machines install manual. The software that the board runs on is actually very limited in how it can be configured to communicate this kind of stuff, which is unfortunate, and not that easy to 'fix'.
Talking about it certainly helps. Heck, squirrel pictures help to some extent . . .
Once I had, I thought "Really? I stressed myself out over THAT? That's not how I meant it . . . oh well, it was dumb I guess".
I e-mailed CR today about the warning and some general (constructive) suggestions, but afterwards, I went back and looked at the simple-machines install manual. The software that the board runs on is actually very limited in how it can be configured to communicate this kind of stuff, which is unfortunate, and not that easy to 'fix'.
Talking about it certainly helps. Heck, squirrel pictures help to some extent . . .
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I worked at a university for a few years, ran the video and camera hire facility, studios and media suites.
I had a few rules:
If folk didn't ask for help I wouldn't interfere (unless they were putting themselves, others or equipment in danger)
If they were modest enough to ask for help they got it, as far as as I was able, on the condition I got their attention and respect. I knew how everthing worked, I wasn't explaining it for my benefit. The phone is put off for five minutes thank you. First time is friendly, second time is friendly and I'll go through it a bit more slowly, third time is 'did you miss a few classes?' Fourth time is 'did you attend ANY classes'
They would see me as the devil in first year, know how to approach me in the second year, seek me out in their third year and leave with emphatic thanks after their forth year.
There is a 'me' generation. No doubt about it. The funny bit is that I see some of the 'difficult to reach' students these days, usually in costa coffee or mcdonalds, I see them trying to work out how they know my face, I've moved onto to full time camerawork, they've taken their own trajectory, their 'me' ego intact and getting them far in life.
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Wilmark, I try to maintain my awareness that there are three sides to every story -- his side, her side and the truth. However, if what you say is correct, I'd have to agree with your assessment. Perhaps that moderator will actually do his job and ban himself. It would probably be better for all concerned.
Anyway, I looked at your site and like a lot of your images. Little too much vignetting for me, but great color and clarity. Thanks for sharing!
Wilmark, I try to maintain my awareness that there are three sides to every story -- his side, her side and the truth. However, if what you say is correct, I'd have to agree with your assessment. Perhaps that moderator will actually do his job and ban himself. It would probably be better for all concerned.
Anyway, I looked at your site and like a lot of your images. Little too much vignetting for me, but great color and clarity. Thanks for sharing!
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CarlTN said:
I'm 21. I'm most certainly part of this "narcissistic" generation that you're talking about. I don't know what generation you're from, how old you are, or what kind of esteem you hold yourself to. But I will say this: our generation is not responsible for this "behavior" that you speak of. People don't pull their phones out during interviews. Not the people I know. If you've personally experienced this, then I can only advise you to screen such applicants more stringently in the future. People who do that shouldn't be interviewing in the first place.
I still haven't outgrown video games. I never will. As a software developer and amateur photographer, I see video games as another medium of art. It's more than just first person shooters. There are stories being told, art being drawn, scenes being crafted. Your comments make it seem like in order to be respectful, selfless people in the world, we all have to grow up. You're wrong. It's about educating the younger generation. It's about setting examples. Kids can be respectful. Adults can be disrespectful.
What did you do to be banned? I don't want to know your answer. Unless you immediately assume that the moderator is a member of my generation or simply not a member of yours, please don't blame us for things like forum moderating, banning, or general "rudeness".
We don't expect anything from anyone. And it's not a result of us being in a "me" generation. It's a result of us being in a place and time where humans are so focused on digital and social networks. There's a disconnect between reality and interpersonal relationships. And it's not limited to my generation. I'd go on explaining that last, and most significant point, but I'd be thread-crapping and thread-jacking an already nutty thread.
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hamada said:
A slight line alteration from "Snow White"
"Mirror, Mirror...on the wall
Who's the Brightest Bulb of all?" ;D
From Wikipedia..."Snow White" is a German fairy tale known across much of Europe, and is today one of the most famous fairy tales worldwide. The Brothers Grimm published it in 1812 in the first edition of their collection Grimms' Fairy Tales. It was titled in German: Sneewittchen (in modern orthography Schneewittchen), and numbered as Tale 53. The Grimms completed their final revision of the story in 1854.
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