Best birding camera

I mean the best with an unlimited budget is obviously to have all of them (and all the superteles as well as a sherpa to carry them around for you). Short of that you have to decide for yourself what you can and cannot compromise on.

That's a question you have to answer for yourself. Everyone's answers will be different.
You are right, i will answer and decide later, i look at answers or opinions/suggestions and later i will come to a conclusion, things happen in life, i might get high budget somehow, or the opposite, i might decide i want R1 but something bad could happen then i can't afford more than R7/R6ii, or i will say i saved for R5II then later i get unexpected budget then i will move to R1 or Nikon Z9, you know it happens.
 
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For now i think R5II is higher vote for me, i will look at more birds images everywhere and see which Canon camera being used the most, and mostly which more images i like so i see which camera is being used from Canon, because i really saw wonderful beautiful birds images from Sony and Nikon also, this will make the choice and decision almost impossible.
 
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Keep in mind that with the R7, the high pixel density means it’s best used with relatively wide apertures. Diffraction starts to affect sharpness at f/5.2. It’s not like the IQ falls off a cliff, but with a lens like the RF 100-500 that is f/7.1 at the long end there will be a slight detriment.
Indeed, with the same sensor as the R7 (with the 90D), the 300mm f/2.8 ii or the 400 f/4 DO ii did bring out the resolution of the lens. However, I do see a noticeable increase in resolution with the RF 100-500mm on the R7 over the R5. Although the DLA of the sensor is f/5.2, the Bayer filter and the low pass filter do push the effective DLA closer to f/7. I have loads of charts like the following pair, taken at 19m from the target. At 500mm f/7.1, the lens on the R7 always resolves the 2.8 circles whereas on the R5 never does.

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New cameras are the present and future, if this question is applied in life then we can say why buy Toyota 2020-2024…
If you buy a 2020 Toyota, it’s almost certainly used and you’ll likely incur significant and increasing repair expenses in the not too distant future.

If you buy an R3, R7, or R5 (they are still available from authorized dealers with warranty and at good discounts), it’s a new camera that will likely deliver many years of trouble-free use.
 
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If you buy a 2020 Toyota, it’s almost certainly used and you’ll likely incur significant and increasing repair expenses in the not too distant future.

If you buy an R3, R7, or R5 (they are still available from authorized dealers with warranty and at good discounts), it’s a new camera that will likely deliver many years of trouble-free use.
Exactly, i really don't mind those 2-4 years old cameras, but it is just the idea if i can save a bit more and buy something new why not, in the past i kept saving to buy finest 1 series cameras, and i tried not wait very long time so they don't pass their ages, R5II i am sure it will last 2 years to have an upgrade to it, or R1, while R3 and R7 are old enough to last any longer, i can't buy R6II any soon because i saw offers and nice prices of it, but it is also old and it might have a successor any minute soon, and i am not in rush until 3 months later.
 
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If you buy a 2020 Toyota, it’s almost certainly used and you’ll likely incur significant and increasing repair expenses in the not too distant future.

If you buy an R3, R7, or R5 (they are still available from authorized dealers with warranty and at good discounts), it’s a new camera that will likely deliver many years of trouble-free use.
My 2019 Toyota has never needed any repairs and Toyota has pro bono increased the length of the warranty to 2029 if I continue to get it serviced by them. Can you imagine how Canon would be if they sold cars? They pulled the CPS in the UK, so that's like removing the warranty half way through. The entry model R100 equivalent would come with rigid suspension springs, brakes would be on a subscription system (checked on the internet every time the ignition was turned on) and speed capped at 55 mph. The R7 roadster would have in-body-passenger-stabilisation suspension but high road and engine noise and subscriptions for using the brakes with compulsory checks but optional subscription for removing the speed cap etc.
 
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The type of equipment you need depends on the way you take photos.
Are you walking around trying to stalk birds/animals ?
Are you using hides and bait ?
I didn't start birding photography yet, so i can't answer this, mainly in my garden i won't walk around and i won't hide, but i can find spots to watch birds and image them like rooms and kitchen windows which viewing the garden, or buy a small tall tent where i can sit inside so it is hide and bait but not in that Camo style.
 
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I didn't start birding photography yet, so i can't answer this, mainly in my garden i won't walk around and i won't hide, but i can find spots to watch birds and image them like rooms and kitchen windows which viewing the garden, or buy a small tall tent where i can sit inside so it is hide and bait but not in that Camo style.
If that’s the scenario, then start with the R7 and see how you get on. The 300mm f/2.8ii with the 1.4xTC (or even the 2x) will pair very well with it. I’ve used that lens with the 90D that has the same sensor as the R7.
 
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If that’s the scenario, then start with the R7 and see how you get on. The 300mm f/2.8ii with the 1.4xTC (or even the 2x) will pair very well with it. I’ve used that lens with the 90D that has the same sensor as the R7.
Is it really necessary i start with R7 while i already have 1DX? I mean i should just not waste money and go for more pricey one so i don't feel i want to buy again after R7, the crop factor sure will help, and that is also available in my other camera 1D3, i will try with my telescope even with manual focus and see if i need reach.
 
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Is it really necessary i start with R7 while i already have 1DX? I mean i should just not waste money and go for more pricey one so i don't feel i want to buy again after R7, the crop factor sure will help, and that is also available in my other camera 1D3, i will try with my telescope even with manual focus and see if i need reach.
You started off the thread by saying you want to go mirrorless. You've been told by several birders here that the R1 and R5ii are the very best. Either stick with your 1D series or buy one of those if you think the R7 will be a waste of money. I also don't think you understand the difference between crop factor and resolution. The 1D3 might have a crop factor of 1.3 but its very low pixel count of 10 Mpx (giving 7.2 µ pixels) means it has less resolving power ("reach") than the FF R1 (6 µ pixels) and far less than the R5ii (4.39 µ pixels), and still lower than the R7 (3.2 µ pixels). Even your 1DX with 6.9 µ pixels beats out your 1D3. (The smaller the pixels, the higher the resolution and the greater the "reach".)
 
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Selling and upgrade is exactly my problem, i like to upgrade but not often, if i buy R5II or R1 i won't upgrade within 3-4 years, while if i buy R3 or R6/II those will never last longer than 2 years, and if i buy say R5II and then another new camera coming later next year from Canon it will be most likely a long long lasting without upgrading, so i feel R5II and something like either R6III or R7II will be best combo for me for 5-8 years coming, while R7/R6/R3 are all old cameras that i will upgrade even next year if i bought them and i got another budget regardless their quality or performances.

Yes, R5 MarkII is a camera to hold on now if someone can afford it, I mean it is somewhere between high end pro camera and med level, I won't say entry level, and the size is nice, but I get used to Canon 1 series already, I will save for it, and while I am waiting and saving we might see new cameras out.

The main point for me now is whatever camera i buy now i make sure it is the latest, i know how great R5 and R6 were and still, also R6II and R7 and R8, but those are all old and they might have upgrades anytime next year, while R1 and R5II will not be upgraded for a while, R3 maybe, in that case i assume if i buy R5II it will automatically cancel my plan on R6/R6II/R7/R8 ad maybe R3, while if i buy R1 it will cancel everything else as less and it won't be upgraded by Canon for a while, it is still wet new, but it costs that much, and your point about features i might never use is valid, but isn't this also the same case when i bought my cameras such as 1DsII and 1DsIII and 1DIII and 1DX?


The improvements from model to model in 2020-2024 are nowhere near the same sized steps as was the case in 2008-2012. The idea that an R1 or R5 Mark II will be good for the next 10 years because they're the "newest", but the only 2-3 years old R6 Mark II and R3 will be obsolete next year is laughable.

Things have very much plateaued, especially when it comes to sensor performance and image quality. Most of the advances today are in video resolutions and frame rates. Even advances in autofocus have gotten more incremental since around 2023 with the release of the R8, and firmware updates gave most of those same improvements to the R3 and R7 that were already on the market for a couple of years.
 
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I don't care about deals because it is really amazing and i can buy one, but the point is if i buy it now with a deal, next year if they release something like R7II or even R6III then suddenly i won't use R7 much and i keep thinking about selling it to buy the new one, so it will be like a lose more than a gain, and i don't do any photography now so i am waiting, but another reason i don't do photography is that i didn't upgrade yet, like i want a new camera to return back, not vice versa.

It sounds like you're more concerned with having the latest and greatest and not having a model that has been replaced with a newer one, even if the improvements aren't useful for the work you do, than having what will work best for the way you shoot.

For example, unless someone is doing birding and/or sports, it makes zero sense to upgrade from an R5 to an R5 Mark II. There's little to no difference between the two if one is doing landscapes or portraits. Most of the improvements are in speed/handling and AF of moving subjects. That and video frame rates.

It also sounds like you'd view the exact same camera model you got at a discount as less worthy than if you'd paid full price for it...
 
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You started off the thread by saying you want to go mirrorless. You've been told by several birders here that the R1 and R5ii are the very best. Either stick with your 1D series or buy one of those if you think the R7 will be a waste of money. I also don't think you understand the difference between crop factor and resolution. The 1D3 might have a crop factor of 1.3 but its very low pixel count of 10 Mpx (giving 7.2 µ pixels) means it has less resolving power ("reach") than the FF R1 (6 µ pixels) and far less than the R5ii (4.39 µ pixels), and still lower than the R7 (3.2 µ pixels). Even your 1DX with 6.9 µ pixels beats out your 1D3. (The smaller the pixels, the higher the resolution and the greater the "reach".)
Because R7 although it has 33mp and a crop factor it is still less than R1 or R6 or R5 and R3, and when i asked about R7 before people said it will surpass my 1DX but it isn't a better choice over others, so to me it is like i go from top of the line DSLR to a med range mirrorless then later upgrade to top of the line, i already mentioned that R7 and R6 and even R6II/R5 all are old enough and subjective to upgrade by Canon, which means i will definitely buy them now/soon to upgrade them very soon later, pointless, while if i buy R1 or R5II or Sony A1ii those will never see upgrade by me for next 3-5 years at worst, so to me it is like i just try R7 to get start wet then i look for something else, what i will do with R7 then? I couldn't sell my previous cameras, not sure R7 will see any good sale later with its low price anyway.
 
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The improvements from model to model in 2020-2024 are nowhere near the same sized steps as was the case in 2008-2012. The idea that an R1 or R5 Mark II will be good for the next 10 years because they're the "newest", but the only 2-3 years old R6 Mark II and R3 will be obsolete next year is laughable.

Things have very much plateaued, especially when it comes to sensor performance and image quality. Most of the advances today are in video resolutions and frame rates. Even advances in autofocus have gotten more incremental since around 2023 with the release of the R8, and firmware updates gave most of those same improvements to the R3 and R7 that were already on the market for a couple of years.
Means?
 
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300mm is a very capable and flexible lens, i use it for sports even for far actions, and it served me well on 1DX with crop, i tried it few times with 1.4x and 2x and it was nice and just ok with 2X, for birds i don't want highest quality because it was just test, but later i might add one of the zooms such as 100-500 then it will be nice, i do have scopes but lack of AF definitely, i first need to get cameras replacements then i will focus on lenses.

The EF 1.4X III and EF 2X III showed significant improvement over the original and "II" versions when used with Great White Primes. Which version of extenders were you using?
 
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it means after you decide the budget, everything else is secondary, if you can afford the best you get it, if you care about the cost, then again the problem is the budget, the best is already known R5II and R1, you already owned 1DX, so you know if you need more MP or not, and you know if you care about the camera size or not.

so the problem you face is, do you have a budget? do you want to buy a lens?

But he's more worried about whatever he buys getting replaced with a newer model and he'll no longer have bragging rights...
 
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It sounds like you're more concerned with having the latest and greatest and not having a model that has been replaced with a newer one, even if the improvements aren't useful for the work you do, than having what will work best for the way you shoot.

For example, unless someone is doing birding and/or sports, it makes zero sense to upgrade from an R5 to an R5 Mark II. There's little to no difference between the two if one is doing landscapes or portraits. Most of the improvements are in speed/handling and AF of moving subjects. That and video frame rates.

It also sounds like you'd view the exact same camera model you got at a discount as less worthy than if you'd paid full price for it...
No, what i mean is that if i buy now or soon i buy what is just released, not something that already upgraded or old model, so why i buy R6mk1 or R5mk1 if R6II and R5II are available already, why i buy R3 if Canon just released R3ii, as someone mentioned it is all about budget then, and i don't have any Canon mirrorless so i know even if i go with R8 or R10 it will be an upgrade to my 1DX and 1D3, but even in the past i never went with something like 7D or 7D2 or 6D or 90D, same with mirrorless, i stay with first 2 rankings mainly as pro, and i try to have latest series, so if Canon is releasing R5III by end of 2025 then i will wait also, but we know that R1 and R5II are just released, while R7 R8 R3 R6II are all subjective to be upgraded, are they all be upgraded no one knows, but all expecting they are upgradable any minute soon rather than R1 or R5II, Nikon released Z6II i believe and Sony A1II, if budget is bad then i buy the latest one but affordable, not an old one affordable, like i prefer to buy Nikon Z6II than buying Canon R5 or R6, but i think people think i only want to buy R1 and Z9 and nothing else, is R7 really the best camera for birding while i didn't see most majority images of birds from it anyway?
 
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The EF 1.4X III and EF 2X III showed significant improvement over the original and "II" versions when used with Great White Primes. Which version of extenders were you using?
I had version II of both, but then i upgraded both to version III, i sold 2x II but i still have 1.4x II for sale, but if i go with mirrorless camera i might sell both mkIII and buy 1.4x of RF mount, but do you think it is any difference or worth it?
 
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But he's more worried about whatever he buys getting replaced with a newer model and he'll no longer have bragging rights...
And when i bought my 1DX or 1D3 they weren't so old that i though about newer models coming, and i didn't regret, see after i bought my 1DX and Sony A7R they now have 1DXIII and mirrorless and A7R5, i missed so many generations or models already, if i will start or return back now again i better start/return with latest and hold that for another decade maybe or several years, in the past i wanted to jump every model coming out, now i won't, with R1 i won't upgrade until they bring R1 mk4, or with R5II i won't care until they have R5 mk5 maybe, same with Sony A7R5, if they release A8R i won't buy it until they release maybe A8R4, so i will jump after like 3-4 generations, but i see some they just buy every generation when they can, many already have R8 or R7 or R10 or R or R6 or R5 and even R1 and R5II which are just recently released, i have nothing of Canon mirrorless yet.
 
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