buying suggestion: a 5D3 or 1Dx?

[East Wind Photography]

If there's no flex, the design of the BG-E16 must be radically different than the grips for the 7D and 5DII, and I doubt that's the case. I wonder why Kirk designed a strap lug attachment into their 5DIII L-bracket?

It's not that the connection isn't secure. Heck, I carried the 7D and 5DII on a BR strap via a body plate on the grip for years, upside down with the weight of body and lens on that attachment thumbscrew.

But...the flex is there, and flex means a potential source of vibration on a tripod. In some shooting conditions, that potential effect became a real effect. I'm sure not everyone shoots in conditions where it would matter – that was true for most of my shooting, too...most, but not all.

Is that why I bought the 1D X? Of course not, it's just one more nice thing about it.

Why not just remove the grip when you use a tripod? It only takes a minute or less to put on and take off. I understand it's just another thing to do and carry around but it's not a reason to shun a grip when the alternative is thousands more. Anyway I know that's not the only reason to buy a 1dx. It's a fine camera but not for everyone.

 

[Gino]

I own both cameras and I reach for the 1DX the majority of the time, because it produces the best RAW files, and ultimately the best photos.

If size, weight, and price are the biggest factor, then get the 5D MKIII, but just make sure you nail the exposure, because the RAW files do not have the same flexibility as the 1DX offers in post processing.

 

[acoll123]

I have both and shoot a little bit of everything but mainly sports. Obviously I use the 1DX for sports but even when I am shooting something other than sports, I first reach for the 1DX and mainly just use the 5D3 as a back-up or second camera. Last week, I shot a senior portrait and used the 1DX. I do use the 5D3 for video though.
Both are great and if I wasn't doing sports and didn't already have a 1DX, I think I would be perfectly happy with one or two 5D3s. If you go that route, I have a BG-E11 battery grip for sale on Fred Miranda. http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1333567/0#12720870

Sorry for the self-serving part, but I need some cash for Christmas . . .

Andy

 

[East Wind Photography]

I own both cameras and I reach for the 1DX the majority of the time, because it produces the best RAW files, and ultimately the best photos.

If size, weight, and price are the biggest factor, then get the 5D MKIII, but just make sure you nail the exposure, because the RAW files do not have the same flexibility as the 1DX offers in post processing.

Gino, curious why you have both, if the 1dx is your go to camera. Is it just for backup?

 

[dash2k8]

I have both and shoot a little bit of everything but mainly sports. Obviously I use the 1DX for sports but even when I am shooting something other than sports, I first reach for the 1DX and mainly just use the 5D3 as a back-up or second camera. Last week, I shot a senior portrait and used the 1DX. I do use the 5D3 for video though.

I think we're all agreed that if we owned both bodies at the same time, the 1DX is obviously the better performer and would be the preferred choice on most occasions, while the 5D3 would be just about as capable in less-demanding environments.

 

[East Wind Photography]

I have both and shoot a little bit of everything but mainly sports. Obviously I use the 1DX for sports but even when I am shooting something other than sports, I first reach for the 1DX and mainly just use the 5D3 as a back-up or second camera. Last week, I shot a senior portrait and used the 1DX. I do use the 5D3 for video though.

I think we're all agreed that if we owned both bodies at the same time, the 1DX is obviously the better performer and would be the preferred choice on most occasions, while the 5D3 would be just about as capable in less-demanding environments.

I don't know that it's obviously the better performer. It's more robust and has a higher frame rate, better AF and high ISO performance. Absolute IQ at Low ISO the 5D2/5D3 usually displays a slight edge in most of the test reviews I've read. Depends what/how you are shooting. That's why all of those former 1Ds mark iii shooters are still annoyed that Canon never gave them a replacement model.

And it's definitely not the quietest. I would not be pulling it out during a wedding ceremony for example.

 

[Loswr]

Why not just remove the grip when you use a tripod? It only takes a minute or less to put on and take off. I understand it's just another thing to do and carry around but it's not a reason to shun a grip when the alternative is thousands more. Anyway I know that's not the only reason to buy a 1dx. It's a fine camera but not for everyone.

I certainly didn't shun the grips, I removed the grip when necessary for tripod use, although otherwise I never took it off. But that meant removing the grip, attaching the battery door (convenient there's a storage slot in the grip, though!), transferring a battery, putting a body plate on the base of the camera (damn, did I forget the hex key??), etc., then reversing it when done. Rather a PITA to do with any frequency.

 

[Dylan777]

I have both and shoot a little bit of everything but mainly sports. Obviously I use the 1DX for sports but even when I am shooting something other than sports, I first reach for the 1DX and mainly just use the 5D3 as a back-up or second camera. Last week, I shot a senior portrait and used the 1DX. I do use the 5D3 for video though.

I think we're all agreed that if we owned both bodies at the same time, the 1DX is obviously the better performer and would be the preferred choice on most occasions, while the 5D3 would be just about as capable in less-demanding environments.

I don't know that it's obviously the better performer. It's more robust and has a higher frame rate, better AF and high ISO performance. Absolute IQ at Low ISO the 5D2/5D3 usually displays a slight edge in most of the test reviews I've read. Depends what/how you are shooting. That's why all of those former 1Ds mark iii shooters are still annoyed that Canon never gave them a replacement model.

And it's definitely not the quietest. I would not be pulling it out during a wedding ceremony for example.

Most churches don't mind about shutter sounds. They more concern about annoying flashes during ceremony. 1DX is a much better body when flash is not allowed for indoor.

 

[Northstar]

I have both and shoot a little bit of everything but mainly sports. Obviously I use the 1DX for sports but even when I am shooting something other than sports, I first reach for the 1DX and mainly just use the 5D3 as a back-up or second camera. Last week, I shot a senior portrait and used the 1DX. I do use the 5D3 for video though.

I think we're all agreed that if we owned both bodies at the same time, the 1DX is obviously the better performer and would be the preferred choice on most occasions, while the 5D3 would be just about as capable in less-demanding environments.

the 1DX is obviously the better performer and would be the preferred choice on most occasions,

Hi dash...I don't share that view.

Again, I have and use both. Regarding IQ....

In good light for slow or non moving subjects, the IQ is about the same. Don't get fooled into thinking anything different.

If the light is poor, then the 1dx is just slightly better if you need to shoot at roughly ISO 2000 and above. If you can get by with ISO 1600 or lower, there's not much difference in IQ. (I've looked at many thousands of images from both in low light because that's mostly what I shoot)

So with those two statements made, the need for AF speed and FPS in fast action are the more significant advantages of the 1dx. Along with weather sealing.

I was at a charity event recently where a pro photog was shooting the 1dx while speakers were talking....EVERYBODY would turn and look at this guy when he would fire that 1dx. The 5d3 silent shutter is a big advantage in many situations.

 

[dolina]

2015 is the year that the 5D and 1D are expected to be updated.

I expect the 5D to be updated by March or later and the 1D later in the year.

March is less than 90 days away.

 

[Loswr]

2015 is the year that the 5D and 1D are expected to be updated.

I expect...

Expected by who? Lots of people expected the 100-400L to be updated in 2013...and 2010...and 2006.

 

[dolina]

2015 is the year that the 5D and 1D are expected to be updated.

I expect...

Expected by who? Lots of people expected the 100-400L to be updated in 2013...and 2010...and 2006.

By CR Guy! ;D

 

[Loswr]

2015 is the year that the 5D and 1D are expected to be updated.

I expect...

Expected by who? Lots of people expected the 100-400L to be updated in 2013...and 2010...and 2006.

By CR Guy! ;D

Oh, like the CR2 for a new 100-400L...back in 2010?

 

[danski0224]

Hi dash...I don't share that view.

Again, I have and use both. Regarding IQ....

In good light for slow or non moving subjects, the IQ is about the same. Don't get fooled into thinking anything different...

While the IQ may be about the same, I find that the image files out of a 1 series body can be manipulated much more than the files out of a 5 series and the 1 series files do not fall apart.

Obviously, it is best to get it right in camera first. Sometimes that just doesn't happen.

I don't know what is in the files that makes them behave so differently, but there is something.

There are many nuances between the two top FF offerings.

Yes, the 5D3 shutter is *much* quieter.

2015 is the year that the 5D and 1D are expected to be updated.

I expect the 5D to be updated by March or later and the 1D later in the year.

March is less than 90 days away.

And *if* that rumored timeline happens, how quickly will the latest and greatest cameras be on shelves available for purchase?

It was a year between 1DX announcement and widespread availability.

If Canon pulls out the stops on the 5D3 replacement, will it be readily available?

If Canon releases a 1DsIV, how long will the general public have to wait to get one? Will that drive up 1DX prices?

Given current discount deals on the 1DX, I wouldn't wait to get one if "waiting for the replacement" was the best reason to not get one now.

 

[tron]

2015 is the year that the 5D and 1D are expected to be updated.

I expect...

Expected by who? Lots of people expected the 100-400L to be updated in 2013...and 2010...and 2006.

By CR Guy! ;D

Oh, like the CR2 for a new 100-400L...back in 2010?

I cannot guess the future but if I were to give a guess I would say I would bet on an announcement by the END of 2015 and I would expect it by 2016 Spring.

This guess is as good as any other...

But judging from 3.5 years between 5D2 and 5D3 vs. 3 years between 5D and 5D2 I would be more willing to bet on a 4-year span rather than a 3-year one. That and the fact that 5D3 is pretty good

 

[lintoni]

2015 is the year that the 5D and 1D are expected to be updated.

I expect...

Expected by who? Lots of people expected the 100-400L to be updated in 2013...and 2010...and 2006.

Using the lifespan of a lens, particularly an L lens, as a yardstick for that of a camera body is rather fatuous.

 

[East Wind Photography]

I have both and shoot a little bit of everything but mainly sports. Obviously I use the 1DX for sports but even when I am shooting something other than sports, I first reach for the 1DX and mainly just use the 5D3 as a back-up or second camera. Last week, I shot a senior portrait and used the 1DX. I do use the 5D3 for video though.

I think we're all agreed that if we owned both bodies at the same time, the 1DX is obviously the better performer and would be the preferred choice on most occasions, while the 5D3 would be just about as capable in less-demanding environments.

I don't know that it's obviously the better performer. It's more robust and has a higher frame rate, better AF and high ISO performance. Absolute IQ at Low ISO the 5D2/5D3 usually displays a slight edge in most of the test reviews I've read. Depends what/how you are shooting. That's why all of those former 1Ds mark iii shooters are still annoyed that Canon never gave them a replacement model.

And it's definitely not the quietest. I would not be pulling it out during a wedding ceremony for example.

Most churches don't mind about shutter sounds. They more concern about annoying flashes during ceremony. 1DX is a much better body when flash is not allowed for indoor.

It's not about the church. It's about disrupting the ceremony with a major distraction. The 1dx shutter is no doubt a distraction in any quiet venue. I've seen it happen and there are many here that have seen it happen. I agree that the 1dx allows for better shadow exposure. In most cases as in an indoor wedding ceremony the 5d3 will work just as well.

 

[Loswr]

2015 is the year that the 5D and 1D are expected to be updated.

I expect...

Expected by who? Lots of people expected the 100-400L to be updated in 2013...and 2010...and 2006.

Using the lifespan of a lens, particularly an L lens, as a yardstick for that of a camera body is rather fatuous.

Using it as a gauge of the validity of rumors is not.

 

[lintoni]

2015 is the year that the 5D and 1D are expected to be updated.

I expect...

Expected by who? Lots of people expected the 100-400L to be updated in 2013...and 2010...and 2006.

Using the lifespan of a lens, particularly an L lens, as a yardstick for that of a camera body is rather fatuous.

Using it as a gauge of the validity of rumors is not.

In this instance, it is. A 3 year (approx) cycle on the 5D bodies makes rumours of a new body next year more reasonable than waiting up tp... four... eight years.

 

[Loswr]

In this instance, it is. A 3 year (approx) cycle on the 5D bodies makes rumours of a new body next year more reasonable than waiting up tp... four... eight years.

In that case, perhaps we should discuss the validity of the 7DII rumors from 2012, three years (approx) after the 7D was released...and the two more years that elapsed prior to the actual announcement of the 7DII. 8)