Camera Store Trashes New G7X

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powershot2012 said:
CameraLabs???? :-\ :-\ :-\

The post is about the CameraStore. LOL

I guess you didn't like the part about:

Canonitis
Noun/Latin Origin
- To never go the full step you really need to innovate and take over the market.

quote author=hawkigrad link=topic=23290.msg454276#msg454276 date=1413693526]
Cameralabs has their full review up and the camera compared quite sell to the Sony RX100 MIII. The Canon focuses faster, has more blur in the photos, enjoys the ability to pull focus in videos and compares closely in optical quality beating out the Sony at 50mm, 70mm. He scores both 89 points. I'm looking forward to mine.
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I thought this site is about Canon cameras and this post is about an early review on the G7X so relax. I've never heard of Camera Store and after reading the post about those guys being biased I didn't bother to watch it. Cameralabs is well respected for doing non biased in-depth reviews and he does a straight up comparison between the Canon and the Sony (and LX100 for that matter). It's comical that people on here can be so persuaded by one video review of this camera from out in left field. Time will tell once DP Review finishes their comprehensive review but I own this camera and it's doing everything as expected for me which is inline with the review on Cameralabs. If you don't find another viewpoint relevant to discussing merits of this camera then why are you on here? Just stop at the first post and move on.
 
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They are biased or do you share that view towards anyone who goes against your own views?

The CameraStore is right on with the comments about both cameras and consistent with other reviews. The G7X looks good on paper, but Canon was only able to get a longer focal length by cropping the sensor...result ~ distorted WA and 100mm shots.

BTW, welcome to the Canon Rumor Forum.
hawkigrad said:
powershot2012 said:
CameraLabs???? :-\ :-\ :-\

The post is about the CameraStore. LOL

I guess you didn't like the part about:

Canonitis
Noun/Latin Origin
- To never go the full step you really need to innovate and take over the market.

quote author=hawkigrad link=topic=23290.msg454276#msg454276 date=1413693526]
Cameralabs has their full review up and the camera compared quite sell to the Sony RX100 MIII. The Canon focuses faster, has more blur in the photos, enjoys the ability to pull focus in videos and compares closely in optical quality beating out the Sony at 50mm, 70mm. He scores both 89 points. I'm looking forward to mine.

I thought this site is about Canon cameras and this post is about an early review on the G7X so relax. I've never heard of Camera Store and after reading the post about those guys being biased I didn't bother to watch it. Cameralabs is well respected for doing non biased in-depth reviews and he does a straight up comparison between the Canon and the Sony (and LX100 for that matter). It's comical that people on here can be so persuaded by one video review of this camera from out in left field. Time will tell once DP Review finishes their comprehensive review but I own this camera and it's doing everything as expected for me which is inline with the review on Cameralabs. If you don't find another viewpoint relevant to discussing merits of this camera then why are you on here? Just stop at the first post and move on.

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hawkigrad said:
Better for what? Cameralabs scored the Sony and the Canon at 89 points each. The Canon is better for portraits with the longer lens whereas the Sony has electronic viewfinder but no touchscreen. The Panasonic will have better IQ and 4K video recording but won't fit in a normal pocket and has an external flash which must also be carried along with the lens cap. If you are going to get a camera that won't fit into a pocket for $900 why not just go APS-C and get the Sony A6000?

For me LX100 and A6000 is still very portable and can put to my pocket and my wife's bag without any problem. However, I prefer LX100 because of the 4K video. Of cause I need to see some reviews of LX100 before I make a decision. Again, I am interested in only Sony RX100MK3 and Panasonic LX100. For you LX100 and A6000 might be too big, but for me that's still a good size. If A6000 had 4K video, surely I might not consider LX100.
 
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"Canonitis" -> To never go the full step you really need to innovate and take ov

"Canonitis" -> To never go the full step you really need to innovate and take over the market.

i love the term "Canonitis".

it´s so perfect on the spot.

look at the 7d mkii
- an 1.800 bucks dslr with a crop sensor of a 70d-quality-stage. not really much better than the old 2009 7d mk1.
- a dynamic range that´s 2ev less than the apsc-dslrs from sony or nikon.
- no wifi. come on canon. it´s 2014. most cheap point&shot cameras have wifi. why shold i buy a sperate 600bucks-device and mount that thing onto my 7d just to get a wifi connection. a wifi chip costs 1$...

"Canonitis" -> we could. but we won´t.
 
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powershot2012 said:
They are biased or do you share that view towards anyone who goes against your own views?

The CameraStore is right on with the comments about both cameras and consistent with other reviews. The G7X looks good on paper, but Canon was only able to get a longer focal length by cropping the sensor...result ~ distorted WA and 100mm shots.

BTW, welcome to the Canon Rumor Forum.
hawkigrad said:
powershot2012 said:
CameraLabs???? :-\ :-\ :-\

The post is about the CameraStore. LOL

I guess you didn't like the part about:

Canonitis
Noun/Latin Origin
- To never go the full step you really need to innovate and take over the market.

quote author=hawkigrad link=topic=23290.msg454276#msg454276 date=1413693526]
Cameralabs has their full review up and the camera compared quite sell to the Sony RX100 MIII. The Canon focuses faster, has more blur in the photos, enjoys the ability to pull focus in videos and compares closely in optical quality beating out the Sony at 50mm, 70mm. He scores both 89 points. I'm looking forward to mine.

I thought this site is about Canon cameras and this post is about an early review on the G7X so relax. I've never heard of Camera Store and after reading the post about those guys being biased I didn't bother to watch it. Cameralabs is well respected for doing non biased in-depth reviews and he does a straight up comparison between the Canon and the Sony (and LX100 for that matter). It's comical that people on here can be so persuaded by one video review of this camera from out in left field. Time will tell once DP Review finishes their comprehensive review but I own this camera and it's doing everything as expected for me which is inline with the review on Cameralabs. If you don't find another viewpoint relevant to discussing merits of this camera then why are you on here? Just stop at the first post and move on.

Yep, you belong to Canon Rumors forums. You're an expert. That's what's so ironic about this post. Everybody is jumping to conclusions with few if any reviews or discussion in yet so welcome to the club. Btw, what reviews are you referring as you didn't mention which I'm sure was unintentional. I have been coming to CR for years since before I bought my first 30d through my 7D, 5D Mark III, G15, G1X and now the G7x which I own. Do you own one or do you just like to show off what you think you know? I also own Sony's, Panasonics and was set to buy the LX100 so I really don't care which camera is better but trashing the G7x based on one subjective review that only compared JPGs is naïve at best.
 
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candc said:
I was looking forward to possibly buying one of these but not now. Everything I have seen on it so far is a big letdown.
+1, I fully agree. Canon is letting us down in many aspects when catching latest advaces in technology. The manual focus of the GX7 will be a nightmare.
I have been waiting for a decent EOS-M to arrive (Mark 3) so, I can travel light and use (via adaptor) all my EF lenses. At the moment I have decided to go for the Sony a6000 because of the APS-C sensor, high ISO and fast and accurate AF.
 
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I haven't commented on this forum for a while (even though I read it regularly) because the attitude of most people here. The notion that you have to be a total Canon fanboy to have legitimacy to post here, is absurd at best and does nothing to help the end user nor Canon.


I am not the casual photographer like many here, I make my living from photography and my work is published in magazines like Vogue so it might be possible that I know a few things.


That being said, NO I don't own a G7X, but I do agree with the Camera Store's assessment of Canon as a company lately. They seem to put just enough features on their cameras to stay above water, but never go that extra mile to make a ground-breakingly outstanding product. When compared to other products on the market, Canon always seems to be following not leading, which is a shame. I absolutely loath their "play it safe" attitude toward product development.


I own and shoot with all Canon gear (except for my recently purchased Phase One) and I'm generally happy with it, but it does not mean it's all perfect. For example, the rubber zoom ring on my new 24-70 MkII dislodged itself from the lens barrel and is now warped and in need of repair. Are you kidding me?!!! Unacceptable for a lens I paid over $2,000 for.


It should also be noted that I am regularly an early adopter of all Canon gear and usually own one while most people are still sitting on forums discussing specs. I was one of the first people in the world to own the original 7D, the 5D Mark III and the 1DX as well as various lenses. Again, I am happy with most of my Canon gear and the 1DX's low light performance continues to astonish me, but in no way do I think all Canon gear is perfect and I think the people on this forum should have a more open minded attitude toward possible flaws and imperfections and not just write anyone who brings them up as unknowledgeable and just a trolling. You are not helping Canon make better products by defending their flaws and/or shortcomings.
 
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Mt Spokane Photography said:
Maiaibing said:
Mt Spokane Photography said:
Wait, the RX100 does not do 85mm or 100mm, the most common portrait focal lengths.

RX100 focal length actually covers both 85mm and 100mm (as 35mm "equivalent")

And which did they compare with the G7X, the MK I or the MK II? There are plenty of other cameras with a wide Zoom range, but the video is specifically about comparing the RX100 MK III. It Does not include portrait ranges.

Have no clue what you are commenting on. I posted to correct the misinfo from your side that the RX does not do 85 or 100mm. I trust you agree that your original claim was an error.
 
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candc said:
I was looking forward to possibly buying one of these but not now. Everything I have seen on it so far is a big letdown.
Hi there,
Well, I`m the happy owner of a 5D Mark III for more than two years now after I used Canon Rebel XT, Canon 40D, Canon 5D and Canon 5D Mark II. Currently along with my 5D Mark III I also use the 7D.
A few days ago I bought a Sony RX 100 M3 and it took me a long time to make my mind because I`m really picky about image quality. I did it because I can`t have the DSLR always with me and a pocket camera is better than no camera at all.
I have to say that for its small size, the Sony delivers a lot. I posted a raw file on my Microsoft OneDrive if you wish to have a look:
http://1drv.ms/1yTQXDH
I took the photo last Sunday at Elbow Lake in Kananaskis Country, Alberta, Canada which is like my backyard in Canadian distances :)
The weather was superb and it was easy to take photos but this little camera impressed me even in low light. Yes, it`s expensive but in my opinion is one of the best pocket cameras. Is it the best? I don`t know and frankly I don`t care.
What I care is that now I always have a good camera with me and when the right moment comes I`ll take that picture.
All the best,

Nelu
 
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DarkKnightNine said:
I haven't commented on this forum for a while (even though I read it regularly) because the attitude of most people here. The notion that you have to be a total Canon fanboy to have legitimacy to post here, is absurd at best and does nothing to help the end user nor Canon.


I am not the casual photographer like many here, I make my living from photography and my work is published in magazines like Vogue so it might be possible that I know a few things.


That being said, NO I don't own a G7X, but I do agree with the Camera Store's assessment of Canon as a company lately. They seem to put just enough features on their cameras to stay above water, but never go that extra mile to make a ground-breakingly outstanding product. When compared to other products on the market, Canon always seems to be following not leading, which is a shame. I absolutely loath their "play it safe" attitude toward product development.


I own and shoot with all Canon gear (except for my recently purchased Phase One) and I'm generally happy with it, but it does not mean it's all perfect. For example, the rubber zoom ring on my new 24-70 MkII dislodged itself from the lens barrel and is now warped and in need of repair. Are you kidding me?!!! Unacceptable for a lens I paid over $2,000 for.


It should also be noted that I am regularly an early adopter of all Canon gear and usually own one while most people are still sitting on forums discussing specs. I was one of the first people in the world to own the original 7D, the 5D Mark III and the 1DX as well as various lenses. Again, I am happy with most of my Canon gear and the 1DX's low light performance continues to astonish me, but in no way do I think all Canon gear is perfect and I think the people on this forum should have a more open minded attitude toward possible flaws and imperfections and not just write anyone who brings them up as unknowledgeable and just a trolling. You are not helping Canon make better products by defending their flaws and/or shortcomings.

I agree with the only Canon love but nothing wrong with being a Canon lover if your on a Canon Rumor forum. I also have the 5d3 and 1dx. I have the G7x and it is kind of a let down. I was hoping to have that small always with you camera with a decent sensor and control. It has inconsistent focusing no matter what setting I choose. The touch shutter seems like it would be faster but is worse. I had the Sony Nex 6 that I sold to downgrade to the Canon but it was just a faster camera to focus. I know they are different but that is what I am leaving behind and the G7x was supposed to replace it in a smaller body.

Also the ergonomics of where you place your thumb to hold the camera is much better than the Sony RX100 M3 and the touch screen for selecting focus points is better but it does not work. I am left to look at other options again. The sony EVF is not all that by the way since you have to eject it and pull it out which is time consuming for a quick candid. If an evf is a must I think the Canon G1x II or Sony A6000 are better options. Also it is hard to know the true quality since all I have is dpp to process the images so do not really know how much I can pull out of the raw files.
 
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As it was never a question, using a Canon- System (in my case 1D4; 5D3; several LLenses) I was never tempted with a small Canon.
As someone wrote before- Canon is solid, but not the leader.

I am very happy with my (Boooh!!!) Sony RX 100 M3 as I was with the Mk I (where was Canon?), and if Fuji goes onwards with their lovely X- System I think of changing.

Look at a file from an X- Trans II file (XT1, XE2, X100s, X100t) and you can see, what a APS-C sensor is able to deliver.

Nuff said.
 
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powershot2012 said:
CameraLabs???? :-\ :-\ :-\

The post is about the CameraStore. LOL

I guess you didn't like the part about:

Canonitis
Noun/Latin Origin
- To never go the full step you really need to innovate and take over the market.


quote author=hawkigrad link=topic=23290.msg454276#msg454276 date=1413693526]
Cameralabs has their full review up and the camera compared quite sell to the Sony RX100 MIII. The Canon focuses faster, has more blur in the photos, enjoys the ability to pull focus in videos and compares closely in optical quality beating out the Sony at 50mm, 70mm. He scores both 89 points. I'm looking forward to mine.
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Seem to be more an Canonose / Canonnosis, a degenerative process.....
 
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SoullessPolack said:
Canonitis isn't even the right term, nor is it funny, nor does it even sound right even if the word's creater's assumption was correct.

-itis is a suffix denoting inflammation of [the whatever the root word is]. For example, hepatitis being inflammation of the liver or stomatitis being inflammation of the mouth. A much better suffix, that makes more sense, would be Canonosis, which would denote a condition or disease.

If you're going to use words you don't know, look them up. You look like a fool when intelligent people read what you've written. The worst part was, it was completely unnecessary as it wasn't even funny, and this is coming from a guy that laughs at almost anything!

In my opinion, canonitis could be something positive too... Maybe the fever as long as you wait for the new products, maybe the rubor on your cheeks, if you have bought it. The calor in your hands if you hold it in your hand for the first time, and the dolor if you look into the emptyness of your purse....
 
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Now that DPR has upgraded their review, some of the things are falling into place.

One of the strong points is the much better lens on the G7X, sharper with fewer CA's. For jpeg images, Sony has a lot more sharpening, and apparently does some in camera CA removal as well.

Check out the DPR test image setup, and compare raw images, they are very close except for the Sony CA at the edges.

AF speed is a weak point for the G7X. It would be enough for me to drop it from consideration. I'd already dropped the RX100 MK III due to its short zoom range.

It does appear that someone wanting a tiny camera will have to determine which features he values most, because no camera has them all.

With all things being relatively close, I'd go for the faster AF speed, but there are just too many features that may appeal to users on one camera or the other.
 
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Mt Spokane Photography said:
Now that DPR has upgraded their review, some of the things are falling into place.

One of the strong points is the much better lens on the G7X, sharper with fewer CA's. For jpeg images, Sony has a lot more sharpening, and apparently does some in camera CA removal as well.

Check out the DPR test image setup, and compare raw images, they are very close except for the Sony CA at the edges.

AF speed is a weak point for the G7X. It would be enough for me to drop it from consideration. I'd already dropped the RX100 MK III due to its short zoom range.

It does appear that someone wanting a tiny camera will have to determine which features he values most, because no camera has them all.

With all things being relatively close, I'd go for the faster AF speed, but there are just too many features that may appeal to users on one camera or the other.
+1...In addition to AF speed, I like the idea of having EVF for afternoon shooting.

I still like my 5D III + 40pancake. Still, it's nice to have a pocketable camera for an afternoon walk sometimes.
 
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ToDo list for next Firmware Update: (Please Forward to the Sony RX100M3 development team)
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These wishes, lacks of functionality, problems and bugs are related to Firmware V1.10. I will mark the appropriate entries as DONE/FIXED/SOLVED if Sony indeed did solve them. Additionally I will increase the rating to 4 or 5 stars, depending on wich and how many issues are solved.

Anyone is highly encouraged to copy & paste this list or parts of it and publish it, ideally in a way Sony will take notice of it.

Legend:
BUG = Real software bug or malfunction (also if malfunction is with intent)
LOF = lack of self-evident feature that nearly anyone expects in this class
WISH = wish

1.) [LOF] : Enable separate power-save delay durations for "LCD off" and "turning off completely". So LCD could be turned of e.g. already after 5...10 seconds if no key is pressed. Cam then could fall into sleep mode (wake-up by e.g. slight pressing of shutter key)

2.) [LOF] : During LCD off (respective during OLED-Finder off) ensure to set all components to sleep mode (energy consumption nearly 0). This would save a huge amount of energy by a) no need to drive lens motor when user manually turns cam off/on to try to save energy, PLUS it would save energy already after a few seconds if the cam does no operation. Since battery is VERY small (3,9Wh, means ~30 minutes of video if not recording continously) this is absolutely needed. I guess this could increase recording time also if stopping video near to the 55 minutes that can be achieved if recording nonstop.

3.) [LOF] : enhance list of video modes to have ALWAYS available *all* framerates, independent if cam is set to PAL or NTSC. Maybe warn user, but do NOT prevent him to use 60fps if he wants to use 60fps/NTSC framerate in PAL mode. (If this is done, there's no more need to implement bugfix/wish #4)

4.) [LOF] : do not force user to re-format SD-Card when changing from PAL to NTSC or vice versa. What the hell should this be good for? Why this absolute insane artificial restriction? Even better solution: put all NTSC framerates into the Video Menu if in PAL mode and vice versa. (see previous entry, #3.) )

5.) [WISH] : Maybe put all video modes in one list instead having to switch between AVCHD and XAVC-S, add (AVCHD) and (XAVC-S) in brackets in the appropriate menu entries

6.) [LOF] : enable start/stop of video recording if dial is set to video mode also by pressing shutter key

7.) [LOF] : enable capturing of still images while recording video (at least in modes when CPU has enough capacity left). Remember: the cam has enough power to simulataneosly record a low-quality MP4 stream to be sent to a smartphone. Since is NOT really needed, it would be totally OK if capturing still images only can be done if dial video recording is diabled.

8.) [LOF] : If #7. is done, do not forget to also enable FIFO buffering for multiple still images while recording video (2 or 3 images, the more, the better) to prevent that user has to wait up to 10 seconds to be able to take next picture (as it is the case with RX100M1).

9.) [BUG] : It is not possible to enable the "water level bubble" meter additionally to other status displays. Please fix this bug.

10.) [WISH] : Add a pre-shot option (shoot but not store stills before pressing shutter)

11.) [WISH] : Add a pre-record option for video (e.g. save the 3 seconds that have happened BEFORE movie button has been pressed)

12.) [WISH] : Add a short-sequence high-speed recording function with optional pre-shot. e.g. Save 3 seconds at 100..200 fps and play back at 25..50 fps), identical to that in Sony HDR-CX116 (Camcorder), if cam is capable of 200 fps for a short period, then also additional recording at 200 fps with playback at 25 would be adequate.

13.) [BUG] : review the german translation of several menu entries. (least important, but I would have expected better translations). Hint: the following strings are named very misleading/un-understandable: "Taste DISP", "Anzeigequalität", "Dateiformat", "Für Sucher", "Key-Benutzereinstlg.", "Bew.interv.-Einstlg", "Spur-Intv. im Beweg. aufn.-Video einstellen.", "Energiesp.-Startzeit"
At certain points one gets the impression that this translations are from a company that's absolutely new to the german market. :-(

14.) [LOF] : Improve preview quality of video still images. The camera could easily and in virtually no time decode the 1st frame (or several frames and take e.g frame #10) in case video container specifications do not allow higher preview stills. This high-quality decoding may be done with a delay of ~200...300 ms in case it would otherwise slow down stepping through the images/recordings

15.) [LOF] : Add display of remaining recording space (in minutes) while recording video (currently remaining rec time is only visible if dial is set to video and no video is recorded).
Additionally maybe add also remaining time of artificial size limit for the current video sequence (I guess the reason to not show the remaining time is to hide this restriction/or to prevent to have to display 2 different remaining times)

16.) [BUG] : If you take a picture, and after having pressed the shutter, you IMMEDIATELY press the movie button, the camera complains "Operation not possible, writing to SD-Card". WTF?!?!?!
This is not a computer science school project, this is a top-class camera from a world class manufacturer. So it's no question that there's a FIFO buffering and write operations not yet completed are processed seemlessly in the background. (At least this SHOULD be the case!) Indeed this *is* done if shooting multiple pictures, but obviously currently there's a bug that prevents this background FIFO buffering from being used when user starts recording a video while a picture still is being written.
EVEN WORSE: if you shoot a series of pictures, then you have to wait until all pics are written to SD-Card before video recording can be started. (approx. 1 second per picture, means >60 seconds if whole FIFO buffer is full with pictures.
FIFO Buffer should either also be used for video or, maybe much simpler/safer to implement: write video immedately to card if movie button is pressed and simultaneoulsy continue emptying FIFO full with pictures to card. (it's no problem for the pictures if they can not be written to card at full speed because video is recorded)

17.) [WISH] : If running on external supply: Since camera stops charging battery and cam consumes less power during operation than when charging battery, cam should simply ignore if spower supply does not identify as suited for "USB power". (Otherwise the cam also would have to refuse charging because the supplied power supply is not suited for that, too...). But it's great that the cam can be turned on with external power connected! Keep this!!!

18.) [WISH] : While preview image is shown, all buttons (Fn, Zoom, etc.) behave as if the picute view mode is active. This is annoying if you operate fast and e.g. want to change some setting or change zoom. You are forced to slight-press the shutter before to close preview image or to disable preview completely. An option that keeps the cam in photo mode while preview image is display would be great.

--- end of ToDo list for Sony RX100M3 development team ---
 
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Sorry to hear, but seems consistent with what others are experiencing with the soft images and AF issues

KKCFamilyman said:
I have used the camera since friday. It is inconsistent in af accuracy. Most pictures are soft. When all hits then the pics are great but for a $700 convience camera it shoukd work better than that. I would like to consider the rx100 but do not like the short focal range and handling. I think the extra bulk and IQ would be better invested in the sony a6000 for the money. At least your carrying apsc sized sensor and hopefully the af can keep up.
 
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Now thats even better than:

Canonitis (Noun/Latin Origin)
- To never go the full step you really need to innovate and take over the market.


xps said:
powershot2012 said:
CameraLabs???? :-\ :-\ :-\

The post is about the CameraStore. LOL

I guess you didn't like the part about:

Canonitis
Noun/Latin Origin
- To never go the full step you really need to innovate and take over the market.

Seem to be more an Canonose / Canonnosis, a degenerative process.....
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