Ohhh yes, it was! But I wasn't in the states so I could not order one which I would have, if I had been there.
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Canon’s 2024 Roadmap, and the timeline surprised us [CR3]
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i'm excited! looking forward to the r5 ii. hopefully it'll be competitively priced vs the nikon z8.
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Wrong. The R6II is the #1 selling camera, and the R5 is a top seller.
Point is data from one store are meaningless (unless your goal is misdirection).
For Japan, at least try BCN who aggregate sales from ~40% of Japanese retailers. All of the top 5 are APS-C (which is totally consistent with the market but shows how single stores aren’t at all representative). Sony has the #1 spot on BCN for last month, Canon has 3 of the top 5 (R10, M50 II and R50). Nice to see Nikon higher in the rankings with the Z30 at #4.
But that last point highlights the relative meaninglessness of even aggregating 40% of Japan sales. The Z30 went from #35 in December to #4 in January. That level of volatility suggests that BCN’s camera data are driven by pretty small unit counts. They're also more general electronic retailer focused, for US folks think Best Buy-type stores, not B&H/Adorama.
Having said that, Sony’s ZV-E10 has been consistently at the top of BCN, and Canon has consistently had about 3 of the top 5 and 5 of the top 10. Only rarely does a FF camera make it into the top 10, usually just after launch or when there’s a big price drop.
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Sure would love to know if firmware 2.0 is ever really coming to the R5 and what it will bring. I presume Canon doesn\'t want to step on the toes up upcoming systems and we may even wait for a release of the mark 2 before 2.0 pops up. Sure hope not.
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Lol, don't get butthurt about it... it's just a random data point to illustrate that Canon need a refresh.
Your B&H figure is equally unrepresentative (by your own arguments)... but yep, there are different sales balances in different markets.
Point is that sales do pick up for manufacturers after they release a refresh - and both Sony and Nikon have been riding a wave of releases over the last 12 months, while Canon has been sitting back. I think the OG R5 is still very competitive to be honest, and a bargain at the current reduced price - but people are noticibly holding off for the Mk II, and Canon need to get it on the market and take their money.
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They will probably have prototypes for certain photographers to try and give feedback. I am curious to see how many might be trying out the A9iii during the games.
The games might end up being a marketing campaign playground by both brands sitting on the sidelines with a white van offering "free candy" if they come into the van lmao.
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No doubt they've priced in the R5 MkII release... and whatever other goodies they have lined up
I'm sure they'll make a fortune off the RF 35 f1.2 too!
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That's really the take-away. People whine and hand-wring with statements like 'Canon is handing business over to Sony and Nikon', but people have been doing so for years. The names and the 'dire problem for Canon' change, the result is the same. 'Poor low ISO DR', 'worse AF performance', 'late to mirrorless', 'late to full frame mirrorless', 'blocking 3rd party RF lenses', 'no new models this month', etc., etc., etc.
Meanwhile, Canon keeps on dominating the market, remaining with just under a 50% market share, which is greater than the next three competitors combined.
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Why so defensive? This is a rumor site, we're all Canon enthusiasts, and we're just spitballing about their strategy over the next year.
The market shifts all the time; Canon are now all-in on mirrorless, Nikon has rediscovered their mojo, and Sony is throwing everything out there in order to try and compete. Of the three, I think Canon are looking good, and with a lower market share Nikon are interesting in that they can over-spec their releases without as much fear of undercutting their own sales. Sony's strategy is least clear; they've made some strategic errors in the mid-range by releasing a full frame sensor (the 33mpix) that can't run 4k/60 uncropped, but the new a9iii and a7rv have been received well. Interesting times.
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Fair enough... A refresh for most cameras and lenses will come, nothing surprising about that. They will come when Canon decides the time is right, I trust them to know what they 'need' better than any of us. I doubt Canon is taking a loss on the discounted price of the R5, for example, which speaks to the pre-discount margins. But Canon has already stated that lenses drive more profits than bodies, and they're refreshed much less frequently.Why so defensive? This is a rumor site, we're all Canon enthusiasts, and we're just spitballing about their strategy over the next year.
The market shifts all the time; Canon are now all-in on mirrorless, Nikon has rediscovered their mojo, and Sony is throwing everything out there in order to try and compete. Of the three, I think Canon are looking good, and with a lower market share Nikon are interesting in that they can over-spec their releases without as much fear of undercutting their own sales. Sony's strategy is least clear; they've made some strategic errors in the mid-range by releasing a full frame sensor (the 33mpix) that can't run 4k/60 uncropped, but the new a9iii and a7rv have been received well. Interesting times.
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One thing I am curious about is why the Number 1 and top selling Canon Camera and Lenses have all been on constant sales over the past 2 years.
If the demand was truly there, would the rules of supply and demand dictate sales are necessary to sell your product?
Yup, 2 Years after its launch and with massive price drops (cough cough Canon Frenzy Sales) and the A7iv was in the number 10th spot....
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