Canon 5D Mark IV brings dramatic dynamic range improvements to the 5D line
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AlanF said:
Still not good enough?...if this is a horse race with only one winner. Since the differences are practically negligible - and probably not noticeable in real life shooting - it is PLENTY good enough. Let's give Canon some kudos instead of the usual mindless criticism.
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To be honest, I found the commentary to be balanced and honest, within the parameters of how he tested the 5Div.
Although he states Canon is still behind Sony and Nikon, he states the gap has closed significantly, to the point of near irrelevance.
I'll personally take this as a win for Canon.
Although he states Canon is still behind Sony and Nikon, he states the gap has closed significantly, to the point of near irrelevance.
I'll personally take this as a win for Canon.
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Nice review and credit to Rishi. He is the one developed all these alternate tests to compare DR. Now he says DR may have more of an impact on fast-paced photography than landscapes, the latter affording more time to work around camera limitations using techniques like filters, and bracketing. Fair enough.neuroanatomist said:
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Ahhh...the torture testSabaki said:
First, let me agree. I think the tests and write up were both reasonable. Did a minor comparison to other brands, but mostly compared to other Canon bodies, which is what is really relevant to most of us.
As for the actual results, of course, for normal DR scenes, much of this "benefit" is really "how much can you screw up a shot and still recover it" which does have value, but the "get it right in camera" argument still holds. Granted, the latitude for high DR scenes would be nice.
Overall, I am impressed with the results and it does make the 5DIV more tempting to me. My version of backlit birds (well, sometimes it is backlit birds) is waterfalls in caves/etc.
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dilbert said:
I am actually (it would seem from reading these forums) a bit of an outlier in that I favor short product lifecycles when the technology merits it, so I agree with you on that. I think many owners would have to opposite reaction (don't make my camera depreciate "early") however.
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AlanF said:
Yes it means you can push your new 5D4 images so that they have only 3200 iso noise in the pushed 4/5 stop shadow areas, while the rest of the image has clean iso 100 noise levels. It's still not acceptable to a landscape photographer, regardless of how good the camera's sensor. This is NOT dynamic range, but shadow pulling...which is the same as extracting high iso shadows (iso Invariance). True high Dynamic range is where the an image can be shot at 100 iso and captures all of the shadow and highlights in one frame and doesn't resort to iso pulling.
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neuroanatomist said:
You expected differently? I just got my 1DX2 two days ago. I've rented one before but it's nothing like owning it. What an exquisite machine. If the 5D4 performs 90% as well, it'g going to be (yet again, for Canon) THE go-to professional camera, particularly for Wedding and Portrait pros
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Sonikon may still be ahead, but at this point it's so close that I think the dr argument is no longer very compelling
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IglooEater said:
Suddenly all the myriad of other arguments rise tot the surface again for trolls. Little things like Auto Focus, Ergonomics, Reliability, Battery Life, and, oh... GLASS
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PureClassA said:
Corrected my syntax error in my original post- apparently at the moment of writing, I was possessed by a DR troll that was unwilling to die.
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PureClassA said:
Unfortunately DxO doesn't test those, and thus they're not an important aspect of a camera. (Other than glass which they um, er, sort of test.)
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neuroanatomist said:
A pass on the D5? ???
Amongst other things, within a day of getting the D5 in our offices, we had an article headlined: "Nikon D5 has worst dynamic range of any FF Nikon" In the 1D X II vs D5 slideshow, we wrote: "With the D5, you have to chose. Expose for highlight detail and color and lose definition in midtones and shadows, or expose for midtones and say goodbye to the brighter areas. With the EOS-1D X Mark II, while not best-in-class, Raw files are much more flexible."?
Furthermore, we repeatedly mentioned in both 1D X II and D5 reviews that the 1D X II bests the D5 in this area. The low DR also impacted its scoring, but as we've mentioned many times before after publishing Canon DSLR reviews, base ISO DR itself doesn't impact our scoring algorithms all that much. It's a part of it, but it isn't given the ginormous weight critics of our Canon reviews claim it's given.
I know you know all this. But I suppose that doesn't stop you from selective reading and cherry-picking data to fit your preconceived narrative.
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docsmith said:
This.
Perhaps different to the AF argument, is that much of the DR argument can be attributed to how a photographer sets up his shot. There is very little than can be done when the actual AF mechanics are unable to produce but relying on sensor 'magic' to fix what should've been done correctly in setup, is nonsensical.
I'm hoping the new AF microadjustment feature doesn't spawn similar conversations through the coming years
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