Canon 5D3 Date, Poll & Info

[Isaac]

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I think that Canon have created enough difference between:
- 1DX coming March
- 5D3 that's coming
- New "C" camera coming this year

Therefore I don't think they'll put off the 5D3 too much longer after the 1DX is available as I don't think it'll pose a threat to these other models.

 

[DavidM]

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5d3 in march
30-36 mp
4.2+ fps
digic 5+
dual CF slots

 

[JR]

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How could it be that the time frame might be the following?

September 2005 - Canon 5D
August 2008 - Canon 5D mark II
September 2012 - Canon 5D mark III

The cycle would be as following:

2 years 11 months (5D to 5D2)
4 years 1 month (5D2 to 5D3)

A) Surely Canon must hold something of a product 'time frame cycle'?

B) Also the 5D2 has been outdated for a while now compared to the newer 7D and some other Digic 5 cameras.

I agree with you Isaac Canon must and surely has a product cycle here. However I still believe the missing variable in this discussion for the 5DIII is Nikon. The fact Nikon has had some manufacturing downfall with the flooding has likely delayed their announcement of the D700 replacement. I think this is why Canon was in no rush to announce a new camera of its own because in the FF segment, the 5D II still outsells the D700, so Nikon needs it more badly then Canon (and us for that matter!).

All the invents in Asia in the past 6 months have shifted product roadmap by 6-12 months (this is my opinion only!). I think all the timing discussed in this post makes sense, but as soon as Nikon makes a move and depending how quickly they can supply a D800, it will make pressure on Canon to make a move. Originally I think Canon wanted to have Nikon make the first move...

My two cents.

 

[iaind]

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I don't think Canon will announce specs of 5DIII until 1DX has hit the shops in numbers. Initial sales will be to PJ's to cover Olympics and Euro 2012. Would you spend megabucks on two bodies if another camera at half the price but with less features was available in 6 months time.
Earliest possible announcement looks like Photokina hopefully with release within a month.

 

[willrobb]

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How could it be that the time frame might be the following?

September 2005 - Canon 5D
August 2008 - Canon 5D mark II
September 2012 - Canon 5D mark III

I think his time frame is quite realistic. The 1DX is being released pre-Olympics, I would expect the 5DmkIII or whatever it would be called, pre Xmas 2012.

Spec wise, I think the basics will be
1. Around 25 megapixels. Already at 21megapixels the files from RAW to TIFF are massive.
2. 5-6 FPS. The big increase in 1DX FPS will allow a FPS will allow a slight increase in the 5DmkIII without eating into the 1DX Market.
3. One digic 5 processor.
4. An even better sensor, probably similar to the 1DX.

The 1DX is for the sports, runway market. The 5DmkIII will still be aimed at the marketswhere the 5DmkII is most commonly used, portraits, weddings and photojournalism.

 

[handsomerob]

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All the invents in Asia in the past 6 months have shifted product roadmap by 6-12 months (this is my opinion only!). I think all the timing discussed in this post makes sense, but as soon as Nikon makes a move and depending how quickly they can supply a D800, it will make pressure on Canon to make a move. Originally I think Canon wanted to have Nikon make the first move...

+1 that!
NR just posted more D800 rumors, even some pictures! So that could be your move
Interesting times ahead, go for it Canon!

 

[alipaulphotography]

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The 1DX is designed to cover the high end sports/wedding/photojournalism market. This is to make those pro's who did have a 5D MKII dish out a bit more cash for a pro body. The longer they wait before releasing the MKIII the more people will upgrade.
I can't imagine them releasing the MKIII anytime soon.

The only thing the 1DX is missing is massive resolution. The MKII is still the camera of choice for studio and landscape photographers. In order to get that market to upgrade, they need a higher resolution DSLR. This will surely be the MKIII. It will be very slow, very high MP with an improved autofocus. That would be enough to have an upgrade covering all bases.

The new cinema DSLR and the C300 will be the video cameras in the line up.

All bases covered for canon with them getting maximum profit.

 

[Isaac]

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The 1DX is designed to cover the high end sports/wedding/photojournalism market. This is to make those pro's who did have a 5D MKII dish out a bit more cash for a pro body. The longer they wait before releasing the MKIII the more people will upgrade.
I can't imagine them releasing the MKIII anytime soon.

The only thing the 1DX is missing is massive resolution. The MKII is still the camera of choice for studio and landscape photographers. In order to get that market to upgrade, they need a higher resolution DSLR. This will surely be the MKIII. It will be very slow, very high MP with an improved autofocus. That would be enough to have an upgrade covering all bases.

The new cinema DSLR and the C300 will be the video cameras in the line up.

All bases covered for canon with them getting maximum profit.

I don't agree that Canon will wait in order to get pro's to dish out more money on the 1DX. You need to remember that the money to be made on the 5D3 is gigantic and there's a massive part of the market waiting eagerly to purchase it as soon as it comes out. Just in plain specs there will be enough of a differentiating factor with the 1DX and the 5D3.

Additionally, if Nikon release the D800 at 36mp and far superior specs to the 5D2, why would Canon wait another 8-10 months in bringing out it's competition. We've heard over time that Canon would have a lot more pressure on them if the D800 comes out regardless of 1DX differentiation etc.

A lot is hinting at a 5D3 release date of March 2012.

 

[alipaulphotography]

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The 1DX is designed to cover the high end sports/wedding/photojournalism market. This is to make those pro's who did have a 5D MKII dish out a bit more cash for a pro body. The longer they wait before releasing the MKIII the more people will upgrade.
I can't imagine them releasing the MKIII anytime soon.

The only thing the 1DX is missing is massive resolution. The MKII is still the camera of choice for studio and landscape photographers. In order to get that market to upgrade, they need a higher resolution DSLR. This will surely be the MKIII. It will be very slow, very high MP with an improved autofocus. That would be enough to have an upgrade covering all bases.

The new cinema DSLR and the C300 will be the video cameras in the line up.

All bases covered for canon with them getting maximum profit.

I don't agree that Canon will wait in order to get pro's to dish out more money on the 1DX. You need to remember that the money to be made on the 5D3 is gigantic and there's a massive part of the market waiting eagerly to purchase it as soon as it comes out. Just in plain specs there will be enough of a differentiating factor with the 1DX and the 5D3.

Additionally, if Nikon release the D800 at 36mp and far superior specs to the 5D2, why would Canon wait another 8-10 months in bringing out it's competition. We've heard over time that Canon would have a lot more pressure on them if the D800 comes out regardless of 1DX differentiation etc.

A lot is hinting at a 5D3 release date of March 2012.

I agree. If it were only up to canon, they would sit and wait till the 1DX has been taken up by the pro market. The release of a D800 will force them to counter with an impressive spec-ed MKIII.

I look forward to the battle!

 

[nounours18200]

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I have a 5D and I have not upgraded to the 5D2 because I believed the gap was not enough to justify a new investment, but I will surely buy a 5D3 if the progress is here (and I see no reason to doubt).

I believe the 5D3 will be announced as soon as Nikon starts moving: the current 5D2 is outdated and there a *lot* of potential buyers.... But as usual with Canon, I believe in my own patience, and not in their customer care attitude !

March 2012 looks the most probable to my eyes...

 

[CanonFanNum1]

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Announcement Date: Not Soon Enough.

Thoughts: If we could get a 5DmkII with an upgraded autofocus sensor and slightly faster framerate, that's really enough for me. I know if you already have a 5DmkII thats not enough for you to upgrade, but those are the biggest weaknesses IMHO and for those who don't have a 5DmkII, that is worthy enough improvement.

Current 5DmkII sensor is great, I worry if Canon pushes resolution further, the IQ per pixel will decrease (along with increased noise). Same argument why the 1DX isn't more megapixels, its better-pixels. Maybe a small increase would be nice, but a jump to 36MP or something like that will drop IQ so much, why bother.

 

[JR]

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Current 5DmkII sensor is great, I worry if Canon pushes resolution further, the IQ per pixel will decrease (along with increased noise). Same argument why the 1DX isn't more megapixels, its better-pixels. Maybe a small increase would be nice, but a jump to 36MP or something like that will drop IQ so much, why bother.

Makes you wonder why would Nikon go all the way to 36MP doesn't it? Their ISO performance will likely take a hit unless they found something new and amazing! Given ISO performance was one of their strong suite, it is odd. I agree that a small increase to the current 21MP would be fine for most of us...We cannot go backward on ISO performance...

 

[alipaulphotography]

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The 1DX is almost my desired camera. I wanted something around 18mp with a focus on low light performance. I also am a user of the video features. The autofocus system is certainly welcome. Things I'm less keen on:

a). Price - Can't justify it.
b). FPS isn't necessary for my work.
c). Bulk - I like the option to remove the battery grip when I need lighter gear.

It is a shame, and I'm not even sure the 5D MKIII will have what I want. We'll have to wait and see.

 

[KeithR]

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if Canon pushes resolution further, the IQ per pixel will decrease (along with increased noise).

Seriously - this is rubbish. It just doesn't happen like that.

Same argument why the 1DX isn't more megapixels, its better-pixels.

There's no such thing as "better" pixels.

 

[handsomerob]

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Current 5DmkII sensor is great, I worry if Canon pushes resolution further, the IQ per pixel will decrease (along with increased noise).

The reason why 5DIII is still not released is maybe because the 5DII's sensor is so awesome and offers such a great balance of pixel count/high-ISO performance that Canon knows they need to come up with something extraordinary to name it a worthy successor.

While too much pixels would ruin this scenario, many people will not be happy if 5DIII is not in the 28-36MP range, especially since the 1Ds is discontinued. Add this the pressure from Nikon and Sony side... I personally prefer a nice balance, just like 5DII has, improved AF would be much more welcome.

 

[KeithR]

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Makes you wonder why would Nikon go all the way to 36MP doesn't it?

Because they know that the "more pixels = more noise" meme is nonsense?

Their ISO performance will likely take a hit

Where has this ever happened so far? I'll tell you: nowhere.

Every increase in pixel density so far has been accompanied by an improvement in noise (and, often DR) performance.

 

[Isaac]

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The 1DX is almost my desired camera. I wanted something around 18mp with a focus on low light performance. I also am a user of the video features. The autofocus system is certainly welcome. Things I'm less keen on:

a). Price - Can't justify it.
b). FPS isn't necessary for my work.
c). Bulk - I like the option to remove the battery grip when I need lighter gear.

It is a shame, and I'm not even sure the 5D MKIII will have what I want. We'll have to wait and see.

I agree. If you don't need everything/like everything on the 1DX then it's very difficult to justify spending around $7000. The 5D3 (most likely) will give me everything that I need and best of all it's in my price range of around $3000. The difference between 1DX and 5D3 will be over $4000 - which is a lot.

It's going to be interesting to see how Canon respond to the D800. Will they try match the 36mp or will they just concede and try and beat the D800 is other areas.

Very excited for the coming announcements!

 

[JR]

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Makes you wonder why would Nikon go all the way to 36MP doesn't it?

Because they know that the "more pixels = more noise" meme is nonsense?

Their ISO performance will likely take a hit

Where has this ever happened so far? I'll tell you: nowhere.

Every increase in pixel density so far has been accompanied by an improvement in noise (and, often DR) performance.

My comment was more around today if you look at low light king and high ISO performer, their relative pixel size are larger then the next in line, so for example the 12MP D3s has better ISO performance then our 21MP 5D mkII.

If for example Nikon upcoming D800 has the same or better ISO performance with 36MP that they have today at 12MP, well that would be a breakthrough, but we have yet to see this...I hope for it though!

 

[handsomerob]

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If for example Nikon upcoming D800 has the same or better ISO performance with 36MP that they have today at 12MP, well that would be a breakthrough, but we have yet to see this...I hope for it though!

totally!!

 

[alipaulphotography]

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Any idea how big a 36mp RAW file would be in MB? I'm currently working with 13mp in the 5D and it is perfect for all the wedding work I do. Hard drives are cheap, so really isn't the end of the world, but unless image quality is improved it would be an unnecessary jump. Wouldn't it be great if cameras were upgradable like computers?
I just upgraded my macbook to an SSD and 8GB RAM and it is like a new machine. If the 5D MKII could upgrade it's autofocus, it would be my perfect camera.