Canon 70D Reaction

[fstoparmy]

what a way to build up your views on youtube. Was there anything decent actually said? can i have my 4 minutes back please?

 

[DarkKnightNine]

I would agree that this guy should have just waited for the camera to be put in the hands of real photographers in everyday use before jumping to conclusions, but the performance of companies of late hasn't been all that spectacular and Canon is not exempt from that judgment. Look at new products like the Xbox One. It seems like these large companies are driven more and more by profit than innovation.


I for one am hoping Canon proves this guy wrong, but if I am to be totally honest, my expectations for any large company these days are fairly low. Canon the ball is in your court. Shut the naysayers up.... PLEASE!

 

[Old Sarge]

Made the mistake of watching about a minute and a half of this vitriol. Wish I hadn't. At my age I don't have that much time to waste. I'll wait for a review from a photographer. (Even then, I am primarily interested in the 7DII if and when.

 

[DarkKnightNine]

First of all how can anyone take this guy seriously when he can't even give any constructive criticism without swearing. I seriously stopped the video after 20 secs. We haven't even seen sample images yet and this guy is already complaining about it. Freaking trolls man, trolls...

What's the difference between "freakin" and "f*ckin"? If you are going to substitute, you might as well use the real thing. That's like people who mistakenly think margarine is better for their body than real butter. By the time your body processes all the imitation garbage that is in margarine, it would be better to have just eaten real butter and exercise accordingly. Using foul language doesn't distract from a point and using substitute words in place of them doesn't validate yours.


The problem isn't his language but his premature judging of a product that isn't even out yet. Canon may introduce new sensor technology that nullifies all of his arguments about noise. That and only that is his only mistake IMO.

 

[Hobby Shooter]

My Problems with the Canon 70D

What's wrong with you?

He's been watching Canon bring out "new" cameras and is realising that Canon just deliver warmed up vomit each time a new camera is announced.

Love it. Haven't watched the video and won't either. But from the looks of the guy I think he should grow up and move from his parents' house and start making his own money. Be a man. Then maybe he will have a more mature view on things.

 

[DarkKnightNine]

Why is such fowl language trash allowed on this site ?

There is no insight/experience or information in this video ? He reads the spec and curses ?

Free speech, even foul language should be permitted; however, appropriate warnings should be given that such language is used.

Foul language is a sign of those without proper education. They cannot make an impact with normal vocabulary, so they resort to cursing. It speaks volume about the speaker and less about the message. I'm unswayed but a curse-filled rant than I might have been with an educated discussion.

Steve Jobs cursed all the time and yet some people thought he was a genius. :


I don't get how you people equate the use or non-usage of foul language as a representation of a person's intelligence. I know people who sound like very eloquent idiots. They use large words to sound intelligent but have absolutely no substance in what they are saying.

 

[stefsan]

I don't get how you people equate the use or non-usage of foul language as a representation of a person's intelligence. I know people who sound like very eloquent idiots. They use large words to sound intelligent but have absolutely no substance in what they are saying.

How very true

 

[symmar22]

C'mon people it's just one more bored kid who who wants to get some fame, he probably does not even own a camera. The web is full of that kind of stuff, it doesn't mean anything at all. I watched the video for my own education, I mainly ended being sorry for him.

 

[awinphoto]

Everyone has their own rights to their own opinions... He has the right to overract and be a hater, we have the right to believe he's an idiot... case closed.

 

[unfocused]

...My point is that the past is usually a good indicator to the future. Canon likes to recycle its tech for generations. Nikon, Fuji, etc., have surged ahead with their APS-C cameras...

This statement doesn't seem to have much relationship to reality. In which generation of XXD cameras did Canon recycle its tech? 20D to 30D I guess, but certainly not the 30D to 40D, 40D to 50D, or 50D to 60D. How about XD cameras? I can't find any 1D or 5D generation that shared the same sensor tech as the previous generation. Are you aware of one?

How exactly have Nikon, Fuji etc. "surged ahead" with their APS-C cameras? Nikon seems to be cramming more megapixels into the sensors they are using, but it comes at a price in noise at higher ISOs. Canon's nearly four-year-old 18mp sensor still competes very well. Fuji is doing some interesting things, but again, we are talking marginal improvements rather than surging ahead.

A more accurate statement would be that after nearly four years, competitors have finally started to catch up to Canon.

 

[Niki]

i like this camera will wait till it's out to test...

 

[Aglet]

A more accurate statement would be that after nearly four years, competitors have finally started to catch up to Canon.

Perhaps more accurate still is that the competitors, especially Sony and their sensors as partnered with Nikon, Pentax and Fuji, have significantly OUTPACED Canon's development in the last 5 yrs.

Canon's DSLRs have provided very good performance, especially at higher ISO since they implemented their CMOS sensor WAY back. However, since the intro of Nikon's D90 about 5 yrs ago, the competition has steadily improved low iso read performance (& hi iso to a perhaps lesser extent) to such a level that Canon now has an obvious handicap in the fixed pattern noise department.

Whether or not you find this an issue for your own work is not the point, it's just a fact. I'd like a replacement for my 7d that I can also press into high DR landscape use with fewer limitations.

I'm eager to see if Canon has pulled at least the ears of a rabbit out of a hat with the 70D.

 

[dstppy]

Everyone has their own rights to their own opinions... He has the right to overract and be a hater, we have the right to believe he's an idiot... case closed.

Can we still HOPE they'll sell their gear and move to Nikon, and presumably, Nikon forums.

 

[UrbanImages]

This kid is a tool. Camera hasn't been launched yet, at least hate after you have one in your hands!!!

 

[Loswr]

ok , is it you or the camera who takes pretty good pictures?
can I send out a 1dx to take good pictures ?

I'd have to say both. In the past few days, I've been outside shooting snowy egrets and tricolor herons in flight from/over water, closeup shots at a significant distance from land. I've also shot an indoor gymnastics exhibition, fast moving gymnasts in a dimly-lit gymnasium where flash was not permitted. Usable shots from an iPhone in those situations? No. Maybe if I was shooting a simple sunset, the iPhone would do just fine...

 

[ahab1372]

I hope this does not turn into another "it's the photographer not the gear" discussion

You probably just jinxed us!

You might be right. ;D We'll see how long it goes this time ...

BTW, personally I'm a "It's the whole package" kind of guy...its the gear, its the photographer, its the lighting...its everything put together. You can't really have any one without all the others. Doh...

 

[Loswr]

...My point is that the past is usually a good indicator to the future. Canon likes to recycle its tech for generations. Nikon, Fuji, etc., have surged ahead with their APS-C cameras...

This statement doesn't seem to have much relationship to reality.

You made a funny! Tell me the biggest difference between the sensor in the T2i and T5i. No relationship at all, right?

Let's see...there are xxxxD cameras, xxxD cameras, xxD cameras, 7D, 5-series, and 1-series cameras. Of all those lines, how many have reused sensors? One. Not coincidentally, it's the only line refreshed annually. Think consumers would pay the increased cost to fund development of a new sensor for the xxxD line every year?

Oh, and the T2i has phase detection on the CMOS sensor, right? :

 

[Loswr]

Let's see...there are xxxxD cameras, xxxD cameras, xxD cameras, 7D, 5-series, and 1-series cameras. Of all those lines, how many have reused sensors? One. Not coincidentally, it's the only line refreshed annually. Think consumers would pay the increased cost to fund development of a new sensor for the xxxD line every year?

Oh, and the T2i has phase detection on the CMOS sensor, right? :

Tell me with a straight face that you can tell meaningful performance differences of the sensor between those crop sensors. If so, how? Remember, keep the comments to meaningful rather than de minimus. Tell me which does not look like cat barf at 1600 ISO. Your 7D sure does and it is the best of the bunch.

My point was that there's no incentive for Canon to (really) update the sensor in a line that's updated every year. Doing so would make no fiscal sense, for them. Reusing sensors does, and passing them down from higher lines to lower lines also makes fiscal sense. They are having no problems selling the cameras using (and reusing) those sensors, and they're making a profit and gaining market share in a time when other companies are reporting losses and/or borrowing heavily.

Can you tell me with a straight face that you expect Canon to release a Rebel body with a truly new sensor every year? Just to please you? :

 

[ahab1372]

Can you tell me with a straight face that you expect Canon to release a Rebel body with a truly new sensor every year? Just to please you? :

That would be great for consumers (well, at least short term), but bad for investors/share holders. Management probably wouldn't last long with the profits going down.

 

[Strobe the globe]

Thanks to everyone for letting me know not to bother watching this video.

Excessive inappropriate language should not be allowed on this forum.