Canon 7Dmk2 any rumors??

[Tracy Pinto]

There is plenty of room for an upgraded 7D.

The pricing on the 5D Mark III created the room. There are features that can be added within the current price of the 7D that will keep it selling fast and well loved. The 5D Mark II will be phased out in time and the if the 7D was not upgraded you would have a crater between the $900 60D APS-C and the $3,500 5D Mark III. Once the R&D is done on the features of the 5D Mark III and the 1D X Canon will monetize them by putting them judiciously in cameras that will sell more briskly. The XXD series will also get new features but the 7DII is great aspirational bridge they don't want to phase out.

 

[briansquibb]

What about:


Creating a true 70d under the 7dMk2 would work, just make it less weatherproof, single digic5, 4fps, 24-36pt AF). The above changes would go with their "evolution" model.

Surely that would be a 700D? I would be lower spec than the current 60D

 

[thetenken]

What about:


Creating a true 70d under the 7dMk2 would work, just make it less weatherproof, single digic5, 4fps, 24-36pt AF). The above changes would go with their "evolution" model.

Surely that would be a 700D? I would be lower spec than the current 60D

How would that be a lower spec than the 60d except the 5.3fps vs. 4fps? Keeping at 5.3-6fps is also possible.

 

[briansquibb]

What about:


Creating a true 70d under the 7dMk2 would work, just make it less weatherproof, single digic5, 4fps, 24-36pt AF). The above changes would go with their "evolution" model.

Surely that would be a 700D? I would be lower spec than the current 60D

How would that be a lower spec than the 60d except the 5.3fps vs. 4fps? Keeping at 5.3-6fps is also possible.

The xxD range has always been a higher frame rate with the xxxD being 3-4fps. Would be like bringing out a 7D replacement with 5fps

 

[x-vision]

The 5D Mark II will be phased out in time and the if the 7D was not upgraded you would have a crater between the $900 60D APS-C and the $3,500 5D Mark III.

This assumes that the xxD line will stay at $900.

But the 60D was announced at $1100 and in terms of specs was slotted nicely between the 7D and the Rebels.
So, it's obvious that Canon wanted to charge more for the 60D.

If the 70D is announced at $1300-1500 and the 5DIII drops below $3000, the pricing gap between the two is not going to be that large.

In fact, it would be the exact same gap that existed between the 20/30D and the original 5D back in the 2005-2007 period.

 

[Marsu42]

How would that be a lower spec than the 60d except the 5.3fps vs. 4fps? Keeping at 5.3-6fps is also possible.

And note that the actual fps of the 60d is a little faster than 6 fps and much faster in live view, obviously they just wanted to have a gap to the 7d on paper. So "real" 4fps would be a knock out feature for 60d->70d upgraders.

But the 60D was announced at $1100 and in terms of specs was slotted nicely between the 7D and the Rebels.
So, it's obvious that Canon wanted to charge more for the 60D. If the 70D is announced at $1300-1500 and the 5DIII drops below $3000, the pricing gap between the two is not going to be that large.

In this case gap between the xxd and 5d3 might indeed become smaller, but imho the gap between the entry-level xxxd and amateur xxd would become too large.

Advanced amateurs aren't meant to and won't want to get a xxxd/650d, but it's questionable if Canon would get away with selling a $1500 xxd/70d aps-c body nowadays when Nikon (and maybe Sony) competitors are cheaper for comparable or even better feature sets (back dial, a little more sturdy body, ~6fps+ rate, somehow usable af).

 

[BobSanderson]

There is plenty of room for an upgraded 7D.

The pricing on the 5D Mark III created the room. There are features that can be added within the current price of the 7D that will keep it selling fast and well loved. The 5D Mark II will be phased out in time and the if the 7D was not upgraded you would have a crater between the $900 60D APS-C and the $3,500 5D Mark III. Once the R&D is done on the features of the 5D Mark III and the 1D X Canon will monetize them by putting them judiciously in cameras that will sell more briskly. The XXD series will also get new features but the 7DII is great aspirational bridge they don't want to phase out.

This makes sense. The 7D should be updated with some of the features of the flagships while keeping the price affordable near its current range. The xxD line adds values at its price range around 1 K as a stepping stone and the Rebels can come in below for hobbyists and families on a budget. Is important to Canon to match people's aspirations with options that offer real value and performance differences.

 

[Chuck Alaimo]

Probably not ... it's still a possibility that Canon might drop the 7d2 in favor of a new full frame body in the ~2000 bucks price segment and put in the 7d af in the 70d next year. But maybe that's just wishful thinking on my side.

The 5D3 is basically a full frame sensor in a 7D box. It's the full frame 7D that lots of people pleaded for. Something in the ~$2000 price range would need lower build quality. We already have that: the 5D2.

With so many shared features from the 1dx, its a stretch to say the 5dmkiii is a FF sensor in a 7D box...

If canon's plan is to keep the mkii in production till fall then it may be that we will see a 7d2, as to the specs, I'd say it will follow the evolution path - but it depends on the price point it will be at --- if its to be a $2000 or less body, it will probably have:

1 card slot
similar build quality (I had half a beer spilled on mine a month ago - weather sealing worked like a charm!!!!)
same ISO range but improved noise quality in the 3200-6400 range (I'd much rather have that than an expanded ISO range with little to no improvement in quality) - or maybe add one higher iso stop (that would keep it one less than the 5d3)
same frames per second, a few more AF points (as high as 41, maybe less)
dual digic 5
22 MP

any more than that and its no longer hitting that 18-22K price point.
any more than that and it could eat away at 5d3 sales
its not a holy bejessus I have to upgrade cam - its enough to make t an xxd series users consider it, its enough to entice current 7d users into it, but not quite enough to pull on the fence 5d2 users away from the 5d3 - also not enough for those like me on a 7d who want to go FF and is saving for the 5d3 to instead say i'll just go with a 7d2 - it can't have everything the 5d3 has minus the ff sensor, or those like me may shift. It would please the wildlife togs who want the crop to get extra reach. Marginal evolutionary upgrade....not a revolutionary one

All this depends on their plans though. If the 7d2 is slated for release a year from now, that's what i suspect we'll get. If its 2 years off though, they may go with something thats more revolutionary (28 MP, 8 frames per second, dual digic 6, 61 pt AF).

I kind of see the 7d as almost an R&D experiment, a cam designed to test features they want to put in their 1d/5d lines. And with the MP race on, a 28 MP crop would eat at the segment of the d800 market that loves the crop function for the reach - canon may very well be waiting on higher mp's so they can get the digic 6 running so that can actually hit 8 frames per second with high MP...but I wouldn't count on any of that if the 7d2 is slated for late 2012/early 2013...

just my 2 cents

 

[unfocused]

There is plenty of room for an upgraded 7D.

The pricing on the 5D Mark III created the room. There are features that can be added within the current price of the 7D that will keep it selling fast and well loved. The 5D Mark II will be phased out in time and the if the 7D was not upgraded you would have a crater between the $900 60D APS-C and the $3,500 5D Mark III. Once the R&D is done on the features of the 5D Mark III and the 1D X Canon will monetize them by putting them judiciously in cameras that will sell more briskly. The XXD series will also get new features but the 7DII is great aspirational bridge they don't want to phase out.

This makes sense. The 7D should be updated with some of the features of the flagships while keeping the price affordable near its current range. The xxD line adds values at its price range around 1 K as a stepping stone and the Rebels can come in below for hobbyists and families on a budget. Is important to Canon to match people's aspirations with options that offer real value and performance differences.

Yes, this all makes sense. Since we are speculating here, I predict the following:

5D jr. (They will need a new name here.) Full frame "entry-level" Frankencamera. Sensor: either current 5DII or 5DIII depending on whether it is cheaper to keep making the 5DII sensor or just up the volume of the 5DIII sensor. Canon likes to reuse sensors, so it makes sense to hand the 5D III sensor down to the "jr." Processor? Again, is it cheaper to keep making Digic IV or to use Digic V? I'm guessing Digic V. So, we could see a full frame "entry level" body with a new sensor and new processor, but keeping most of the other features of the 5DII. Price this in the $2,000 to $2,500 range. If all they do is change out the processor and sensor, it may not be much more expensive to manufacture than the current 5D.

7D II Modest autofocus improvements, improved sensor with better low-light performance and reduced noise. Sensor remains somewhere in the 18mp range. An 18mp APS-C sensor would likely enable Canon to use just one processor instead of two, cutting their processor costs in half, while still boosting or maintaining the current frame rate. With three years of R&D under their belts, the image quality should be roughly equal to the 1D IV, enabling Canon to market the camera to wildlife and sports photographers as well as enthusiasts and prosumers. Priced between $1,600-$1,900 (this is a very competitive niche, so Canon is more price-restrained than with the 5DIII).

70D Will inherit the 7DII sensor after about 9 months to a year. Other modest upgrades to allow for room at the bottom end of the line for enhancements to the Rebels. Again, pricing will be determined primarily by the competitive marketplace, but likely will be similar to the current 60D.

7Dx: Pure speculation/dreaming on my part, but I still don't think we can rule out the possibility of an integrated gripped 7Dx with additional weathersealing and perhaps a higher frame rate, geared toward wildlife and sports photographers. As a successor to the 1D IV they have a lot of pricing flexibility here, but I will be conservative and say they keep it in the $2,500 range. High enough to make a tidy profit on the improvements, but low enough to entice enthusiasts with discretionary income.

 

[darkstar]

I see room for a 7Dii provided it'll have

dual card slot (sdx / CF)
dual Digic 5
APS-C @ 21-22MP
Better hi-ISO performance (hi ISO standard @ 25600)
8FPS
USB3
built-in GPS


Same current 7D price

 

[kdsand]

I see room for a 7Dii provided it'll have

dual card slot (sdx / CF)
dual Digic 5
APS-C @ 21-22MP
Better hi-ISO performance (hi ISO standard @ 25600)
8FPS
USB3
built-in GPS


Same current 7D price

Some sort of modest pixel increase is logical - not necessary but logical.

SD cards are now cheaper, readily available, very fast and the better cards are just as reliable as CF cards so I would not be surprised if there was a SD slot or two.

While built in GPS makes sense especially on the 7D? Since Canon just released stand alone gps unit I doubt it will happen because they make money selling the excessory. :'(

The sensor & the autofocus will be the key. I would imagine these would have to have wow factor and instill lust.



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The price will be substantially higher much higher.
:'(

 

[Chuck Alaimo]

I see room for a 7Dii provided it'll have

dual card slot (sdx / CF)
dual Digic 5
APS-C @ 21-22MP
Better hi-ISO performance (hi ISO standard @ 25600)
8FPS
USB3
built-in GPS


Same current 7D price

doubtful it will have 2 card slots and still be at a similar price. Also doubtful that it would have such a high native iso, doubtful it would have usb3 - and please no gps, i have enough things tracking my location and movements anyways, no need at all for my camera to do it too.

I would much rather have some smart evolutionary changes - same iso range, but improved quality in the 3200-6400 range (I just don't see the point in taking it any higher unless the the noise quality can be improved).

All in all the current 7D is a pretty solid camera, improve on its shortcomings and canon has a winner. Toss in a bunch of garbage new stuff without fixing the shortcomings and its just a marketing tool...

 

[kdsand]

I see room for a 7Dii provided it'll have

dual card slot (sdx / CF)
dual Digic 5
APS-C @ 21-22MP
Better hi-ISO performance (hi ISO standard @ 25600)
8FPS
USB3
built-in GPS


Same current 7D price

doubtful it will have 2 card slots and still be at a similar price. Also doubtful that it would have such a high native iso, doubtful it would have usb3 - and please no gps, i have enough things tracking my location and movements anyways, no need at all for my camera to do it too.

I would much rather have some smart evolutionary changes - same iso range, but improved quality in the 3200-6400 range (I just don't see the point in taking it any higher unless the the noise quality can be improved).

All in all the current 7D is a pretty solid camera, improve on its shortcomings and canon has a winner. Toss in a bunch of garbage new stuff without fixing the shortcomings and its just a marketing tool...

GPS on the 7D would be huge.
Sports, street, landscape and nature shooters would love it. It would be a notable selling point 4 many people.
When you would not want to use it you can always turn it off so that really should not be a concern.

:-\ Besides most photos taken out doors can often have the location backtracked already even without gps identification.

Unfortunately(?) as we know canon has a brand new external gps module. Building the gps into a 7D body is unlikely given that they can sell you the separate module. This is unfortunate and shame though because the 7 d is a camera that you don't really wanna have a lot of stuff sticking out of because it's often used in ruffer environments or conditions where it gets jostled. If its built in you don't have to worry about forgetting to turn it on or about the battery dieing or any number of other things.

 

[nlunardelli]

Any idea when it will come out the 7DII?

 

[Marsu42]

Any idea when it will come out the 7DII?

Not sooner than Canon figures out how to squeeze another body in their lineup between the 5d2, 5d3 and 60d - now that the 5d3 has an advanced af, too, there really has to be something new for the 7d2 - either never heard of before features or a much lower price tag, but that would collide with the 60d/70d.

 

[ruuneos]

Any idea when it will come out the 7DII?

Not sooner than Canon figures out how to squeeze another body in their lineup between the 5d2, 5d3 and 60d - now that the 5d3 has an advanced af, too, there really has to be something new for the 7d2 - either never heard of before features or a much lower price tag, but that would collide with the 60d/70d.

Like in Canon rumor's "Price watch" it says replacement in 6 months and that match pretty close to Photokina 2012, let's just chill and wait rumors to come

 

[x-vision]

Nobody ( here on this thread ) have taked in consideration the Nikon D300S replacement.

There's increasing chatter in the Nikon camp that the D400 will be full-frame, not DX.
The speculation is that the D400 will have a 24mp FF sensor and will be sold for less than $2500 (in the US).

Also, Nikon just obtained a patent for a 24-70mm f/3.5-4.5 lens.
As per NikonRumors.com, this lens only makes sense as a part of a "cheap" full frame body kit.
http://nikonrumors.com/2012/04/06/nikon-filed-a-patent-for-a-24-70mm-f3-5-4-5-full-frame-lens.aspx

If the D400 is indeed FF and is priced around the $2500 mark, things will get very interesting for both the 5DIII and the 70D/7DII 8).

 

[jhpeterson]

When the 5dMk2 gets phased out there will be a giant gap between the price of it and the 60d or its successor. Into this hole would logically go an entry-level FF body with still plenty of room for another. The 7dii would fill this space.

I see room for a 7Dii provided it'll have

dual card slot (sdx / CF)
dual Digic 5
APS-C @ 21-22MP
Better hi-ISO performance (hi ISO standard @ 25600)
8FPS
USB3
built-in GPS

Same current 7D price

While I could totally do without a slot for sd/sdx cards (I find them too small to handle, too easy to drop or lose in many outdoor situations), I could see it would make sense to take a wireless card.
The dual Digic 5 seems a given.
And, I would rather have better high ISO performance than more pixels.
8 fps is nice, but 7 or even 6 would be quite acceptable if the lower speed was exchanged for faster, more accurate autofocusing.
Given the nature of what I do, I'd like to see even better waterproofing so it matches the level of the 1D series.
USB3 would be great, but not a dealbreaker.
As for GPS, not really necessary. Seldom have I ever had to recall EXACTLY where I was when I took a photo.

Also, two things that I would ask for would be a larger viewfinder (the tiny image where it's hard to make out details, especially in the corners, is a major reason why I'm not a big fan of the current line of APS-C models) as well as a control dial (the one on top) that locks out, so I don't find myself in some mode not intended.

And, yes if I could have this for about the same price as the current model, I'd likely order one (or more) of the first ones.

 

[Scooter]

On more than just Canon Rumors and NorthLight Images, it has been said that Canon has not or will not give up the H-crop 1.3X sensor ? Maybe the 7DMK2 will have it ? Maybe Canon can get EF and EF-s lenses to work on it ? Most likely not, just EF/Full Frame lenses ? Keep it at 18MP, maybe 8 to 8.5 FPS, get the Noise down.
I would rather see 2 CF card slots, better AF, better weather sealing, and do like Nikon does- give us the choice to select 3 or 4 or 6 frames per second, not just 3 fps & then 8 fps !

 

[solarpos]

7D2? Are you all insane? There are letters to Ken Rockwell to be written……Priorities people