Canon Announces That The Powerful Professional Full-Frame EOS R3 Mirrorless Camera Is On Its Way

Jaysheldon

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All this talk about IBIS has me wondering... has anyone used an R5/R6 with an EF400mm f5.6? Does IBIS help on/off a tripod?
 

sanj

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Because we use high shutter speeds to freeze motion so it isn't needed .
Image stabilisation is only useful for counteracting camera shake for static subjects at slow shutter speeds.
It's fragile because it has many moving parts
Nope. Wrong on both accounts. There are many wildlife shots that are not high speed. Of course, you realize that. And there is no proof that that IBIS will make a camera fragile. None.
 
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sanj

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If you're shooting fast moving objects you need high shutter speeds so ibis isn't needed as it only helps to counteract camera shake but high shutter speeds do that anyway.
really?
turn the IS off all your super telephotos and tell me how that works for you.
with IBIS + IS you get a more stabilized view, allowing you to focus on your target with minimal movement. That assists with your AF tracking and also your metering, not to mention your composition. I'm also sure that Canon is quite aware of the IBIS durability if there is even an issue there. Not to mention you have IS units in the lenses too.

also if an R7 (or even an R3/R1) is ONLY used with long telephotos, then canon isn't going to sell as many as they could. So it's unwise to suggest that Canon is going to make three expensive camera bodies for one specific use case. Alot of pros still use 24-70's and even wider on the field, NBA games typically you see a lot of 70-200's, etc. you see it every Olympics, every Superbowl, etc (24-70's and even 16-35mm). it's not all about the long telelphotos.

for an R7? Canon is going to *try* to still get other people to buy it. Let's face it. 7D hasn't been a hot seller, just anecdotally, because if was; Nikon and Canon would have spent much more time in this market.
Canon created two "pro" 7D cameras (over 5 years and nothing since 2014), Nikon created 3, but went from 2007 for the D300 to 2016 with the D500. That's it for over what? 11 or so years of DSLR development? How many "pro" aps-c mirrorless is out there from the big three? 0.
YES
 

sanj

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Really ?
Very few wildlife and sports photographers care about ibis and the R3,R1 & R7 look to be targeted directly at this segment. This feature is quite fragile and complex so it's just something unnecessary that might break.
Personally I'd rather have an R7 without ibis that costs several hundred dollars less and I think most people interested in any specialised sports/wildlife camera would agree but sounds like you know everything already
Would you consider this a 'wildlife' shot? It was taken at high ISO because of low light. If I had better IBIS, I would have taken it at lower ISO. So wildlife photographers would LOVE IBIS. And yes, 'Really'.
 

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Nope. Wrong on both accounts. There are many wildlife shots that are not high speed. Of course, you realize that. And there is no proof that that IBIS will make a camera fragile. None.
I'm really talking mostly about my branch of wildlife shooting which is birds especially birds in flight where very high shutter speeds are needed to get a sharp image even for perched birds which constantly twitch about but the same applies to any subjects that are fast moving.
Sure an elephant moves slowly but you can use any camera for slow moving subjects.
Cameras like the R3,R7 and R1 are specialist bodies designed for capturing fast moving subjects so IBIS isn't a terribly useful feature for them and any complex system will reduce reliability which for the R1 especially is very important.
No pro Canon body has yet had flippy screens for the same reason
 
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Personally, I’m hoping that the R1 has less of a focus on speed or that Canon offers an ‘R1s’. It would be nice to finally have a body with integrated grip that wasn’t so heavily targeted towards sports shooters.

Also, is 30fps a game changer compared to 20fps? Serious question, I never shoot any high speed action.. just seems overkill?
 
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john1970

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Personally, I’m hoping that the R1 has less of a focus on speed or that Canon offers an ‘R1s’. It would be nice to finally have a body with integrated grip that wasn’t so heavily targeted towards sports shooters.

Also, is 30fps a game changer compared to 20fps? Serious question, I never shoot any high speed action.. just seems overkill?
A very fair question. I see 30 fps being used in very rare circumstances, but would be beneficial when needed such as a bird landing on a nest. I am personally hoping that the R3 comes with the 1Dx shutter rated at 20fps so that at 20 fps I get full 14 bit lossless RAW files unlike the R5. At 30 fps I would be content with 12-bit if it helps with data processing. I still hope that by June Canon lets us know something about the resolution and buffer depth of the camera.
 
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sanj

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Personally, I’m hoping that the R1 has less of a focus on speed or that Canon offers an ‘R1s’. It would be nice to finally have a body with integrated grip that wasn’t so heavily targeted towards sports shooters.

Also, is 30fps a game changer compared to 20fps? Serious question, I never shoot any high speed action.. just seems overkill?
Every frame matters when the action is once in a lifetime moment or very fast.
 

sanj

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Yes I agree, but there should be a possibility to set the rate to a smaller number for the action happening more often.;)
There indeed is an option - the camera provides a setting for frame rate. Also over time I have learnt to press the shutter, release it, keep it pressed according to the action.
 

sanj

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I'm really talking mostly about my branch of wildlife shooting which is birds especially birds in flight where very high shutter speeds are needed to get a sharp image even for perched birds which constantly twitch about but the same applies to any subjects that are fast moving.
Sure an elephant moves slowly but you can use any camera for slow moving subjects.
Cameras like the R3,R7 and R1 are specialist bodies designed for capturing fast moving subjects so IBIS isn't a terribly useful feature for them and any complex system will reduce reliability which for the R1 especially is very important.
No pro Canon body has yet had flippy screens for the same reason
Canon is thinking beyond you. And they should.
 
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sanj

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Will Canon continue to manufacture very expensive large full frame cameras or do I have to switch to Sony?
Lovely lovely photos. I love Canon and will probably always use Canon. But after seeing your pictures I believe a compact full-frame Sony would be a better option for you. Keep up the good work sir!
 
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Now that is interesting!!

And that silver end of the new RF 400 & RF 600 will take advantage of that, meaning that the new silver end point is more than just a "built in adapter".

Exactly, Canon Sweden writes on their website for the RF 600mm f4L IS USM and RF 400mm f2.8L IS USM that these new lenses features dual power focus drive which gives faster focus with compatible cameras. (Links in Swedish)

I'll also add a source on my other post.
 
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jam05

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Which camera? The R, R5 or R3?
Selected Drive mode in all of those cameras and on most any high end camera. High speed continuous shooting provides the highest frame rate depending on the battery, therefore for the highest continuos a battery grip is available or built in. High 20/sec 1dx3 & high 12/sec R5,
"High speed continuous" = 20/s, "Medium speed continuous" =8/s, "Low speed continuous" =3/s and of course "Single shot"
Manual instruction below:
https://cam.start.canon/en/C001/manual/html/UG-04_AF-Drive_0130.html
 
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canonmike

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I think it will get solid video features, but not something crazy way over the top. For example full size HDMI, maybe 4k 180 and certentey 5.5 or 6k 60p video.
I echo your request for full size HDMI port. With the larger body, it certainly can accommodate one. Of all the Canon film bodies I owned over the yrs, the EOS 3 was my favorite, so much so, that I owned two of them, which I mostly used for weddings.
 
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canonmike

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I'm chasing pixel density, price, and specifically a crop sensor camera. My only FF lens is the 100-400mm II, all my few other lenses are EF-S mount (such as my pair of Sigma f/1.8 zooms). I don't have more money to spend to get full frame equivalent lenses, and I don't want to get a FF camera to use it solely in crop mode apart from with my telephoto zoom.
We have to recognize and echo your meaningful comment about, "I DON'T HAVE MORE MONEY"......we need to remember that budget constraints effect all of us on some level, especially given the current high pricing of mirrorless bodies and lenses, across all brands. For yrs, I have drooled over the latest versions of EF 500mm F4L, 600mm F4L priced in $10-15k range but even if I saw a bargain used one, for say $7k, all I could do is to say, "Boy that sure is cheap." I do own an EF version 1 500 is but was only able to purchase it after I found one used for well under $3k. Even then, I found it difficult to justify spending that much money on a lens I would only use occasionally. I filed that purchase under I just wanted it, not necessarily needed it. I hope you get your wish for a reasonably priced mirrorless Canon APSC body.
 

sanj

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Which camera? The R, R5 or R3?
I have the R5 and it has the option. My 1dx2 had the option. R3 is not out so no one knows but I am sure it will have the feature too. I vaguely remember 5d4 having this too. You can set the burst rate to fast or slow.