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Some of those posting on this thread are very good photographers.
As financial analyst they leave much to be desired.
As financial analyst they leave much to be desired.
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Have you checked Sony's financial report? It might give you a hint. They are losing money hand over fist due to lowering prices to compete with South Korea. You got your TV below cost. Hopefully, Sony will still be in business if it needs repair. The first thing Sony has dropped when times were tough was customer service, and for them, times are very tough.Freelancer said:i bought a new sony TV this year and new pioneer audio gear.
i wonder why i did not notice the strong YEN on these buys....
Freelancer said:DB said:In general, reduced revenue means cuts...and often, R&D is one of the first cuts to be made. Sad, but true.
well a malicious guy could say: i have not seen much sensor development in the past 4 years.... so what?
Keep buying that coffee. My daughter works at Starbucks headquarters in Seattle, and every cup of coffee helps keep her jobneuroanatomist said:My morning coffee cost 10 times that. Just sayin'.
daniel_charms said:Freelancer said:DB said:In general, reduced revenue means cuts...and often, R&D is one of the first cuts to be made. Sad, but true.
well a malicious guy could say: i have not seen much sensor development in the past 4 years.... so what?
On the subject of R&D, check out the Chipworks report on full-frame DSLR camera sensors from a few days ago. Canon is basically still using the same fabrication technology for their sensors that they used in the 5DC, while their competitors have long moved on, so you could say that there hasn't been much sensor development in the past 7 years.
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vab3 said:Smartphones are killing the compact camera business; the DSLR business is small in comparison, especially the high-end DSLR business. And don't forget copiers, printers, scanners, medical, and industrial components.
The stock has been good for some time now but I still have not seen any shocking deals on this body.neuroanatomist said:Probably because no one had the D800 in stock, and low supply means high demand which means no market drive for a lower price.
I thought $3500 was not unreasonable. The IQ of a 5DII (already excellent) coupled with the AF system of a camera costing >$3K more, plus 6 fps shooting speed? That's a powerful combination. If I had any interest in purchasing a 5DIII, would I want it to be cheaper? Of course. But if I had been interested in purchasing a 5DIII, the $3500 price would not have affected my decision. Amortized over a 3 year life of the camera, $500 becomes something like 46¢ per day. My morning coffee cost 10 times that. Just sayin'.
ablearcher said:The stock has been good for some time now but I still have not seen any shocking deals on this body.neuroanatomist said:Probably because no one had the D800 in stock, and low supply means high demand which means no market drive for a lower price.
I thought $3500 was not unreasonable. The IQ of a 5DII (already excellent) coupled with the AF system of a camera costing >$3K more, plus 6 fps shooting speed? That's a powerful combination. If I had any interest in purchasing a 5DIII, would I want it to be cheaper? Of course. But if I had been interested in purchasing a 5DIII, the $3500 price would not have affected my decision. Amortized over a 3 year life of the camera, $500 becomes something like 46¢ per day. My morning coffee cost 10 times that. Just sayin'.
Well, the street price drop is more than $500 in the US and considering Canadian online buyers it is around $1K for us. I do realize the MSRP was not an issue for some. However, this is not what i am talking about. Yes, the extra $500-$750 might not be a big deal for pros who have this cam as a money making machine, or for some who can afford to pay even more than that without any significant financial impact. But consider D800 sitting next to it at $3K and consider over 800 Canon units which Adorama easily moved in just a couple of days at a $750 discount. I don't think that $2750 is just a pocket change for many in these hard economic times, however folks jumped on this deal right away. Nobody is expecting to have MKIII discounted into oblivion, but people are ready to spend close to $3K of hard earned cash for this item. Again, this is not just about purchaser's expectation of a cheaper price. Its about current market situation (mostly direct competition from D800).
jrista said:ablearcher said:The stock has been good for some time now but I still have not seen any shocking deals on this body.neuroanatomist said:Probably because no one had the D800 in stock, and low supply means high demand which means no market drive for a lower price.
I thought $3500 was not unreasonable. The IQ of a 5DII (already excellent) coupled with the AF system of a camera costing >$3K more, plus 6 fps shooting speed? That's a powerful combination. If I had any interest in purchasing a 5DIII, would I want it to be cheaper? Of course. But if I had been interested in purchasing a 5DIII, the $3500 price would not have affected my decision. Amortized over a 3 year life of the camera, $500 becomes something like 46¢ per day. My morning coffee cost 10 times that. Just sayin'.
Well, the street price drop is more than $500 in the US and considering Canadian online buyers it is around $1K for us. I do realize the MSRP was not an issue for some. However, this is not what i am talking about. Yes, the extra $500-$750 might not be a big deal for pros who have this cam as a money making machine, or for some who can afford to pay even more than that without any significant financial impact. But consider D800 sitting next to it at $3K and consider over 800 Canon units which Adorama easily moved in just a couple of days at a $750 discount. I don't think that $2750 is just a pocket change for many in these hard economic times, however folks jumped on this deal right away. Nobody is expecting to have MKIII discounted into oblivion, but people are ready to spend close to $3K of hard earned cash for this item. Again, this is not just about purchaser's expectation of a cheaper price. Its about current market situation (mostly direct competition from D800).
I think you are confusing what competition is. It is pretty clear that the 5D III and D800 are meant for different market segments. They are NOT direct competitors. The 5D III is without question a wedding photographers camera, as well as a great backup sports/wildlifers/birders body, on top of being the greatest general-purpose camera ever made. The D800 has NOT taken terribly well with wedding photographers (while some seem to like it, many more have found it to be very poorly suited to the segment), it does not serve well as a backup sports body, it is a superb studio and landscape camera, and as such it is definitely more of a direct competitor to MFD cameras than the worlds greatest general-purpose camera. I see more bird and wildlife photographers using the D600 than the D800.
I think it is fundamentally flawed to call the 5D III and D800 direct competitors. At the moment, I am not sure the 5D III, with its amazing AF system, good middle-ground megapixels, high frame rate, and pro-grade build really has any kind of "direct" competitor, although the D600 might actually be closer than the D800.
Lee Jay said:Please read the !@#$% report!
http://www.canon.com/ir/results/2012/rslt2012q3e.pdf
"Demand for interchangeable-lens digital cameras continued to realize robust growth in all regions while the market for compact digital cameras shrunk due to the stagnation of the global economy."
"Within the Imaging System Business Unit, despite efforts to achieve sales growth with the competitively priced EOS Digital Rebel series along with the EOS 5D Mark III and EOS 60D advanced-amateur models, sales volumes of interchangeable-lens digital cameras decreased from the year-ago period due to a delayed new-product launch."
NormanBates said:On a more serious note, let's wait and see Nikon's numbers, then we'll have a clearer picture of whether it is slow world demand, or Canon-specific issues, that are pulling their results down.
Mt Spokane Photography said:Have you checked Sony's financial report? It might give you a hint. They are losing money hand over fist due to lowering prices to compete with South Korea. You got your TV below cost. Hopefully, Sony will still be in business if it needs repair. The first thing Sony has dropped when times were tough was customer service, and for them, times are very tough.Freelancer said:i bought a new sony TV this year and new pioneer audio gear.
i wonder why i did not notice the strong YEN on these buys....