Canon Cinema EOS 4K Camera [CR1]

[Neeneko]

Sorry, I know I am being a bit harsh. I guess I am still grumpy from all those threads with video people telling the stills crowd to shut up because we are obsolete and multimedia DSLRs are the important future (because no one wants still images anymore), and we should just be happy with whatever leftovers we get... so hearing video people complain that they still are not getting enough priority (and cheap high end equipment) rubbed me the wrong way.

 

[Axilrod]

Why would I want a cinema camera to have the form factor of a 1D?! I won't be taking pictures with it, and heaven knows I won't be doing any portrait video work with it.

I'm also getting pretty impatient. I need a new camera but the 5DMIII isn't worth the jump. If their going to make us wait they should at least release specs so we know what we're waiting for.

What do you guys think? Would you want a video camera to have the form factor of the 1D?

I think it's a compromise, they are putting it into a body that may not be ideal so they can put a 4k sensor in there without driving the cost up. Also, people have been shooting with the 5DII/7D for almost 4 years now, they have purchased lots of gear to make that form factor work so why let it go to waste? I don't think anyone will complain honestly; video cameras are going in a modular direction, look at the RED, C300, FS100, they all require rigs and aren't an ideal shape either.

And you can listen to the 5D3 haters all you want, but you don't know if it's not worth the upgrade unless you've tried it yourself. I'm very happy with it.

 

[Axilrod]

If this is primarily going to be a video camera, wouldn't it make more sense to use the C300 body instead of the 1DX?

The c300 and all "video" bodies are stupid.
5D2 taught us that.
GH2 body would be perfect if the buttons weren't crap. Add dials, weatherproofing, battery.

The lighter/smaller the bodies go, ohhh the places you'll go.
The camera is merely a storytelling element, and the increasing opportunity to put it in motion pushes the limit.

XLR is useless without a great preamp.

If they continue to ignore movie AF possibilites... They're idiots.
Make it hunt slowly, in a unified direction (not hunting all over the place).
Use AF button to lock on the subject for the duration of recording (doesn't the iPhone have this??)
Or... How certain long L's have the focus recall, set multiple focus pts you can cycle between.
At the very least, they MUST combine face recognition with the digital zoom WHILE recording.
They wont. Idiots.

It was easy to make autofocus systems for video cameras before, they had a fixed lens and tiny sensors and TONS of depth of field, everything is in focus practically so it's much easier to create a system for. Throw 100 lenses into the mix with crazy shallow DOF, I'm sure it makes it difficult to create a cheap, reliable system. I just dont think you would be able to trust it to do what you wanted everytime. T

he motion picture industry has been using manual focus since it's inception, all the crossover photographers just need to get over it and do the same.

 

[Shawn_Lights]

Why would I want a cinema camera to have the form factor of a 1D?! I won't be taking pictures with it, and heaven knows I won't be doing any portrait video work with it.

I'm also getting pretty impatient. I need a new camera but the 5DMIII isn't worth the jump. If their going to make us wait they should at least release specs so we know what we're waiting for.

What do you guys think? Would you want a video camera to have the form factor of the 1D?

One thing we filmmakers love about DSLRs is how small they are. Also still picture cameras are more accepted on the streets than video cameras. Trust me here in NY you'll get cops walking up to you if you're holding a video camera but they're fine with still cameras. Even if you explain to them that all the camera is doing is taking pictures very fast to create the illusion of motion lol.

So yes I'm happy it's in a DSLR form. That means I can be more versatile with where I place the camera and I can also blend in with the stills crowd, not drawing too much attention to myself. This also means that our current gear should work with this no problem.

They just need to price it right and give us some overall great features. If I was Canon I'll look at what the FS100 has and just top them with the 4k and price it like $1,000 more. Maybe around the $6,000 range.

 

[peederj]

I really do doubt this rumor because I think it conflates a bunch of different things that may or may not be in development.

The number one thing that falsifies the rumor is 4K in a 1-series chassis.

Where are you going to store all that data? On two CF cards? There just isn't enough room to cheaply stream all that data onto, and unlike stills, video productions can cost over $1,000 an hour to re-shoot should memory fail. So anyone ambitious enough to try to shoot 4K will want redundant storage...and as mentioned, it's ridiculous to suggest a portable SLR form factor if you're going to require external storage anyway.

So I do believe Canon will develop a "C" DSLR intended for video purposes.

I do not believe for a minute that it will be 4K resolution, not this year or next. Maybe 2015.

I do believe Canon will develop a 4K followup to the C300. C400 perhaps. That might appear in 2013.

Fs100-Metabones is a serious competitor to the C300. It may exert a lot of price pressure on that system. But I think what's going on is Canon is servicing the rental market with its current prices, figuring anyone who needs C300 features is going to rent. People who want to own can wait or look elsewhere. Or just be happy with the all-rounder 5d3 as I am.