Canon competition to D610+14-24 f/2.8

David - Sydney said:
Not clickbait... hear me out...

I have been a decades long user of Canon. Currently 7D/10-22mm, 24-105 f/4, 70-200mm f/2.8II
7D is wearing out and I am getting to its limits (IMHO). So... what to replace it with.
Night/astro/landscape is where I mostly use my 10-22mm lens and publish. Looking for high ISO/low noise... full frame and wider aperture would be ideal. Something to last for a long time would be ideal ie not getting previous generation equipment.

I have finally considered all options now I think:
7DmkII has great AF/video but not as good noise as 6D and is $100 more
6D has the best noise for Canon but poor AF. At least another year before replacement
5DmkIII is a great all rounder but is much more expensive and noise is on par with 7DmkII as far as I know
A7x has better noise but poor AF and mostly need 3rd party lens
Nikon 610 has better noise, good AF, high frame rate, dual slots, etc

Canon 16-35mm f/4 is a great lens but f/2.8 would be better. Wider would be a bonus
Canon 16-35 f/2.8 II doesn't have the sharpness/coma/ etc as the f/4 version. Replacement end-2016?
Nikon 14-24mm f/2.8 is well known as a great lens. Used on A7xx/Canon users using adaptors (without AF)
Canon 11-24mm is awesome but still f/4 and crazy price

In Australia, I can get
6D+16-35mm f/4 is ~USD2560 (USD2270 grey market) old body, new lens
6D+16-35mm f/2.8II is ~USD3030 (USD2730 grey market) old body, old lens
D610+14-24mm f/2.8 is ~USD3200 (USD2880 grey market). Body/lens stable in market (price, quality etc)

I'm open to suggestions.... I am being too fussy but it is a big step for me either way.
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You mentioned the 5D3 which is going for around $2K gray market. If that is an option pricewise, then you ought to also consider the Nikon D750.

In the US, it is running just under $2K.

This gives you the lowest noise. Very good ISO performance. A little more resolution than the Canon choices. And dual card slots (since you mentioned it as a desirable trait of the D610). It's the best sensor in a DSLR currently.

It also falls in line with your concern about not purchasing previous generation equipment. While the 6D is current, it is nearing the end of the road. D750 is new.

Currently, nothing from Canon is going to give you a wide angle zoom as sharp or as good as Nikon's with 2.8.

I would have recommended the Canon14mm 2.8 L, but it costs as much or more than Nikon's zoom. That is unfortunate.


You should have put "astro" in your thread title. There are some Exmor sensor fanatics that visit here that would surely chime in and explain the advantages of this sensor (what is in the Nikon FF cameras) for night, astro and landscape photography.


Based on what you've said in your post - you are an ideal candidate for getting into the Nikon system.
 
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I would read up on this guy:

http://clarkvision.com/reviews/evaluation-canon-7dii/index.html

http://clarkvision.com/reviews/evaluation-canon-6d/index.html

You may find you can do both sports and astrophotography with the 7DII - but will need to study up on the techniques this guy uses for processing to get the best out of the camera.
 
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dilbert said:
David - Sydney said:
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Night/astro/landscape is where I mostly use my 10-22mm lens and publish. Looking for high ISO/low noise... full frame and wider aperture would be ideal. Something to last for a long time would be ideal ie not getting previous generation equipment.
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f/4 is too slow for astro. You really need fast wide primes - avoid even the f/2.8 zooms if you can.
If you have a foreground subject then do you shoot two images and composite? An aperture of f/2.8 might not give enough depth of field depending on the distance to the foreground subject and the focal length.
 
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I would not say that the 6D has poor AF. The AF may not be as good as other models, but that does not mean that it is bad AF. You want to avoid that way of thinking when looking at alternatives.

Good luck with your decision.

Honestly, I don't see how you can go wrong with either the Canon or the Nikon. Both make good bodies and good lenses. Go with the system you personally prefer and never take pictures of grass on the other sides of fences. The color never comes out accurate. ;D
 
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David - Sydney said:
Not clickbait... hear me out...

I have been a decades long user of Canon. Currently 7D/10-22mm, 24-105 f/4, 70-200mm f/2.8II
7D is wearing out and I am getting to its limits (IMHO). So... what to replace it with.
Night/astro/landscape is where I mostly use my 10-22mm lens and publish. Looking for high ISO/low noise... full frame and wider aperture would be ideal. Something to last for a long time would be ideal ie not getting previous generation equipment.

I have finally considered all options now I think:
7DmkII has great AF/video but not as good noise as 6D and is $100 more
6D has the best noise for Canon but poor AF. At least another year before replacement
5DmkIII is a great all rounder but is much more expensive and noise is on par with 7DmkII as far as I know
A7x has better noise but poor AF and mostly need 3rd party lens
Nikon 610 has better noise, good AF, high frame rate, dual slots, etc

Canon 16-35mm f/4 is a great lens but f/2.8 would be better. Wider would be a bonus
Canon 16-35 f/2.8 II doesn't have the sharpness/coma/ etc as the f/4 version. Replacement end-2016?
Nikon 14-24mm f/2.8 is well known as a great lens. Used on A7xx/Canon users using adaptors (without AF)
Canon 11-24mm is awesome but still f/4 and crazy price

In Australia, I can get
6D+16-35mm f/4 is ~USD2560 (USD2270 grey market) old body, new lens
6D+16-35mm f/2.8II is ~USD3030 (USD2730 grey market) old body, old lens
D610+14-24mm f/2.8 is ~USD3200 (USD2880 grey market). Body/lens stable in market (price, quality etc)

I'm open to suggestions.... I am being too fussy but it is a big step for me either way.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidmarriottsydney/

I have a 6D and Rokinon 14mm, Canon 16-35f2.8 mk2, 24-70 f2.8mk2, and I just picked up the Tamron 15-30 VC f2.8 for night photography the 6D is the best choice right now. Photo is using the 14mm Rokinon f 2.8 14mm
 

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dilbert said:
David - Sydney said:
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Night/astro/landscape is where I mostly use my 10-22mm lens and publish. Looking for high ISO/low noise... full frame and wider aperture would be ideal. Something to last for a long time would be ideal ie not getting previous generation equipment.
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f/4 is too slow for astro. You really need fast wide primes - avoid even the f/2.8 zooms if you can.
Hi,
I think in Astrophotography, F4 is consider fast... if you want to avoid star trail, a better option is to use a tracking mount. The disadvantage will be if your image contain terrestrial object, it'll not be that sharp, but will not be as obvious as star trail.

Have a nice day.
 
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