Canon Confirms Development of High Megapixel Camera

[Maiaibing]

Looks like I'm the only one who's looking forward to a high MP 5DM4. Add in GPS and the 7DM2's focus and I'm sold. Canon needs to respond to the competition. So many Canon users have defected to Sony and Fujitsu because Canon is no longer meeting their needs.

You are most certainly not!

5DIII had nothing worthwhile compared to 5DII as an upgrade so the wish list remains very long before Canon even matches the competition. I trust we will se a lot of real improvements this time and not a half hearted effort.

One remark not much noted from the Canon Exec. in the latest confirmation of a high pixal Canon body "soon" was that new bodies would be fewer - but each of them would be a significant step upwards.

5DIV should not only have a lot more megapix to work with but also better low iso, excellent native iso up to at least 50K, better dynamic range, gps and wifi, markedly better AF than the 5DIII, 5.5 fps+ with a boatload of cross-type focus points and some of the smart AF tracking programs that makes the competition's AF run circles around what Canon currently offers.

Am I dreaming? No. All this would only put Canon more or less on par with the competition. We should believe Canon will try to do even better. Especially since they acknowledge that they have ground to make up towards the competition.

And oh. The price. If the same as the asking price for the 5DIII at launch its specs better be really, really good news.

Canon - I have my check ready - impress us!

 

[Maiaibing]

Looks like I'm the only one who's looking forward to a high MP 5DM4. Add in GPS and the 7DM2's focus and I'm sold. Canon needs to respond to the competition. So many Canon users have defected to Sony and Fujitsu because Canon is no longer meeting their needs.

People complain loudkly in forums and yet Canon sales remain good.

They are not. According to Canon financial statements their DSLR sales have been into a double digit fall in both 12/13 and 13/14... So I'd say - and I'm pretty sure the board room talk is - "Canon DSLR sales are dismal and we need to act now before its too late".

 

[Synkka]

Looks like I'm the only one who's looking forward to a high MP 5DM4. Add in GPS and the 7DM2's focus and I'm sold. Canon needs to respond to the competition. So many Canon users have defected to Sony and Fujitsu because Canon is no longer meeting their needs.

You are most certainly not!

5DIII had nothing worthwhile compared to 5DII as an upgrade so the wish list remains very long before Canon even matches the competition. I trust we will se a lot of real improvements this time and not a half hearted effort.

One remark not much noted from the Canon Exec. in the latest confirmation of a high pixal Canon body "soon" was that new bodies would be fewer - but each of them would be a significant step upwards.

5DIV should not only have a lot more megapix to work with but also better low iso, excellent native iso up to at least 50K, better dynamic range, gps and wifi, markedly better AF than the 5DIII, 5.5 fps+ with a boatload of cross-type focus points and some of the smart AF tracking programs that makes the competition's AF run circles around what Canon currently offers.

Am I dreaming? No. All this would only put Canon more or less on par with the competition. We should believe Canon will try to do even better. Especially since they acknowledge that they have ground to make up towards the competition.

And oh. The price. If the same as the asking price for the 5DIII at launch its specs better be really, really good news.

Canon - I have my check ready - impress us!

Not sure if this post was joking, but there are plenty of worthwhile upgrades from the 5d2 to 5d3 they may just not have been what you want.

 

[Maiaibing]

Not sure if this post was joking, but there are plenty of worthwhile upgrades from the 5d2 to 5d3 they may just not have been what you want.

None I ever noticed when using the two. But of course YMMV. More precisely I'd say you would have to have a very specific reason to prefer the one over the other.

I did not not see any improvement in any aspect of my photographic results (it did however have some noticible improvements in its handling which I miss on the 5DII).

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

That is something a bit cool about the D810 type cameras, you get your FF (and at top most quality) and then you can go into a crop mode and get a decent reach...

Crop mode doesn't get you reach, it gets you smaller files.

Good way to describe crop mode!

And by extension, APS-C based cameras get you cheaper and smaller files.

And generally more "reach" (resolving power) because they actually do have smaller pixels.

If the high MP camera uses the 7D2 sensor design then the 7D2 won't have more reach.

It'll just be a cheaper camera with smaller files.

And likely far higher fps and better buffer performance (per frame at least, if maybe not per MB).

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

And that a high MP camera will use a 7D2 sensor design is the final nail in the coffin for me buying it. Sony A7R or A7RII it will be for me. Maybe the Sony will have fewer MP than Canon's new camera but they will be better MP than what Canon will be offering.

Thanks Canon for trying.

Yeah, if it's just a 7D2 sensor that is larger. No sale . I guess I'll have to do the messy mix of 5D3 plus Sony A7R (II?) or some such or just give up and go Nikon and not have to deal with dragging two systems around (although sadly then giving up Canon lenses and UI entirely). But whatever I do mixed old body Canon+Canon lenses+Sony or all Nikon, in either case it's no new Canon bodies for me.

I hope they deliver something else.

If they don't, then I also think we are talking at least another five years after this comes out until they catch up to Exmor at low ISO and maybe even ten.

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

Looks like I'm the only one who's looking forward to a high MP 5DM4. Add in GPS and the 7DM2's focus and I'm sold. Canon needs to respond to the competition. So many Canon users have defected to Sony and Fujitsu because Canon is no longer meeting their needs.

One remark not much noted from the Canon Exec. in the latest confirmation of a high pixal Canon body "soon" was that new bodies would be fewer - but each of them would be a significant step upwards.

5DIV should not only have a lot more megapix to work with but also better low iso, excellent native iso up to at least 50K, better dynamic range, gps and wifi, markedly better AF than the 5DIII, 5.5 fps+ with a boatload of cross-type focus points and some of the smart AF tracking programs that makes the competition's AF run circles around what Canon currently offers.

Am I dreaming? No. All this would only put Canon more or less on par with the competition. We should believe Canon will try to do even better. Especially since they acknowledge that they have ground to make up towards the competition.

And oh. The price. If the same as the asking price for the 5DIII at launch its specs better be really, really good news.

Canon - I have my check ready - impress us!

I sure hope you are not dreaming. I'd be all over what you propose.
I have a bad feeling that it is not what Canon will deliver though. They don't seem be talking along those lines. But maybe they just want to preserve the next couple months worth of sales of old stuff more than they worry about people going over to the Nikon side?

 

[NancyP]

I would settle for 20 - 24 MP FF with better dynamic range at base ISO. However, I think that Canon lenses are good enough to handle the 36 to 52 MP existing and proposed sensors. Canon needs to make a camera that demonstrates the quality of their best lenses, since lenses are a major product and strength.

 

[PureClassA]

And that a high MP camera will use a 7D2 sensor design is the final nail in the coffin for me buying it. Sony A7R or A7RII it will be for me. Maybe the Sony will have fewer MP than Canon's new camera but they will be better MP than what Canon will be offering.

Thanks Canon for trying.

Yeah, if it's just a 7D2 sensor that is larger. No sale . I guess I'll have to do the messy mix of 5D3 plus Sony A7R (II?) or some such or just give up and go Nikon and not have to deal with dragging two systems around (although sadly then giving up Canon lenses and UI entirely). But whatever I do mixed old body Canon+Canon lenses+Sony or all Nikon, in either case it's no new Canon bodies for me.

After Sony put the 3 stop IBIS in the A7II, I think it is definitely worthwhile waiting for the A7RII. Sony may also fix other issues such as using a proper metal mount and dealing with vibration (will IBIS help with vibration?)

If they don't, then I also think we are talking at least another five years after this comes out until they catch up to Exmor at low ISO and maybe even ten.

Yup and I'm not really interested in waiting that long for Canon to catch up in sensor technology.

Exmor has produced some amazing results, and I'm waiting for the A7S2 to arrive myself. I think that sensor sets Sony apart more than anything, and Canon particularly seems to have little interest in being truly competitive with image quality in the prosumer level. Obviously their DSLR codec shortcomings and not-really-clean HDMI output have put a albatross around their necks. Out somes the 7D2 with an amazinf feature set for shooting video ... and they handcuff it behind the same poor HDMI output. Shame.

All that said, I think Canon will answer the High MP cries more soundly with a 3D/5D4 whatever. I would agree that if we see a mere upscaling of the 7D2, it would be met with 50% excitement and 50% sigh. I would look to an A7R2 at that point with metabones for my landscape stuff. Otherwise I've been very pleased with the 6D performance for portrait and general shooting.

Again, I'm going to give the Canon the benefit of the doubt this last time for 2015.

 

[9VIII]

And that a high MP camera will use a 7D2 sensor design is the final nail in the coffin for me buying it. Sony A7R or A7RII it will be for me. Maybe the Sony will have fewer MP than Canon's new camera but they will be better MP than what Canon will be offering.

Thanks Canon for trying.

Yeah, if it's just a 7D2 sensor that is larger. No sale . I guess I'll have to do the messy mix of 5D3 plus Sony A7R (II?) or some such or just give up and go Nikon and not have to deal with dragging two systems around (although sadly then giving up Canon lenses and UI entirely). But whatever I do mixed old body Canon+Canon lenses+Sony or all Nikon, in either case it's no new Canon bodies for me.

I hope they deliver something else.

If they don't, then I also think we are talking at least another five years after this comes out until they catch up to Exmor at low ISO and maybe even ten.

I think that's the millionth time we've discovered that forum users are not the prime demographic that Canon is pursuing, I'm having Déjà vu compounded on itself a dozen times over with the Inception theme playing in the background.

(Have fun on NR, really, do have fun. I told Jrista before and I'll say it again, go get the camera you want and enjoy it!)

 

[Synkka]

Not sure if this post was joking, but there are plenty of worthwhile upgrades from the 5d2 to 5d3 they may just not have been what you want.

None I ever noticed when using the two. But of course YMMV. More precisely I'd say you would have to have a very specific reason to prefer the one over the other.

I did not not see any improvement in any aspect of my photographic results (it did however have some noticible improvements in its handling which I miss on the 5DII).

Not sure if you would say "very specific" but the improved AF, fps, high ISO, build and weather sealing along with bracketing are features I enjoy, oh and having a 100% viewfinder.

I think the AF improvements are the biggest draw card for me, this is a big part of the majority of my photography.

On the topic of a high megapixel camera, I can't see this being the 5d4 unless they have multiple models, or are creating multiple 1d series again.

 

[Loswr]

And that a high MP camera will use a 7D2 sensor design is the final nail in the coffin for me buying it. Sony A7R or A7RII it will be for me. Maybe the Sony will have fewer MP than Canon's new camera but they will be better MP than what Canon will be offering.

Thanks Canon for trying.

Yeah, if it's just a 7D2 sensor that is larger. No sale . I guess I'll have to do the messy mix of 5D3 plus Sony A7R (II?) or some such or just give up and go Nikon and not have to deal with dragging two systems around (although sadly then giving up Canon lenses and UI entirely). But whatever I do mixed old body Canon+Canon lenses+Sony or all Nikon, in either case it's no new Canon bodies for me.

I hope they deliver something else.

If they don't, then I also think we are talking at least another five years after this comes out until they catch up to Exmor at low ISO and maybe even ten.

I think that's the millionth time we've discovered that forum users are not the prime demographic that Canon is pursuing, I'm having Déjà vu compounded on itself a dozen times over with the Inception theme playing in the background.

(Have fun on NR, really, do have fun. I told Jrista before and I'll say it again, go get the camera you want and enjoy it!)

+1000

 

[lo lite]

What I don't get are those odd resolution numbers. Why not going to 54MP right away? Then you get a resolution like 9000 x 6000 which has much more friendly dividers and not such weird number like 8760 x 5840 ( = (2*2*2*5*73)^2 * 2 * 3) or 8850 x 5900 ( = (2*5*5*59)^2 * 2 * 3) or whatever the actual resolution would be like. What is the actual reason for such weird resolutions?

 

[raptor3x]

What I don't get are those odd resolution numbers. Why not going to 54MP right away? Then you get a resolution like 9000 x 6000 which has much more friendly dividers and not such weird number like 8760 x 5840 ( = (2*2*2*5*73)^2 * 2 * 3) or 8850 x 5900 ( = (2*5*5*59)^2 * 2 * 3) or whatever the actual resolution would be like. What is the actual reason for such weird resolutions?

This was one of my favorite features of the Sony A7; the files are exactly 6000x4000 pixels.

 

[FTb-n]

It makes no sense to replace the 5D3 with 52 MP body based on the 7D2 sensor.

The 5D3 is a great wedding/event/portrait camera and sometime sports body. While I don't shoot professionally, this is me. I'm not looking for more resolution, especially if it means a step backwards in high ISO performance. If anything, I'd like the 5D4 to incorporate the 7D2 sensor technology with larger, full-frame pixels for even better low light performance. AF during video would be a nice plus (even thought video is a more distant interest for me).

The 5D4 should also include a bump in FPS and buffer performance. I don't see this happening with 52 MP. All I see with 52 MP is HUGE RAW files, maybe 90-100 MB each. That's a lot for in-camera crunching and recording to cards.

I'll look at a 20 MP 5D4 with a nice bump in low light performance long before considering a 52 MP body. I still think the 52 MP body has a different audience than those who currently buy the 5D line. It actually makes more sense to put the 52 MP in the 6D2. But, it makes the most sense to spawn a new line of bodies for the high MP sensor.

 

[unfocused]

It makes no sense to replace the 5D3 with 52 MP body based on the 7D2 sensor.

I would take the speculation that this will be a 5DIV with a massive dose of salt.

Going back to the original interview, Canon understands that there are two primary markets: Those who need high ISO sensitivity with excellent noise control (which Canon nailed with the current generation of full frame cameras) and those who want higher resolution (which Canon apparently did not feel was a sufficiently large market to place an immediate emphasis on, but they apparently now feel they need to compete in that market)

I am certain that the high resolution Canon full frame (5D HD?) will not be a direct replacement for the 5D III. This "5D HD" (high definition) may surface in 2015, with the 5D IV (or 5D High Sensitivity) version showing up sometime near the end of the year or more likely in 2016.

(As an aside: apparently the low ISO, high dynamic range market is such a small niche market that Canon doesn't see it as sufficiently large enough to warrant a major release at this time. However, I can certainly see a scenario where the 5D IV/High Sensitivity would see at least a modest boost in dynamic range)

 

[tron]

It makes no sense to replace the 5D3 with 52 MP body based on the 7D2 sensor.

The 5D3 is a great wedding/event/portrait camera and sometime sports body. While I don't shoot professionally, this is me. I'm not looking for more resolution, especially if it means a step backwards in high ISO performance. If anything, I'd like the 5D4 to incorporate the 7D2 sensor technology with larger, full-frame pixels for even better low light performance. AF during video would be a nice plus (even thought video is a more distant interest for me).

The 5D4 should also include a bump in FPS and buffer performance. I don't see this happening with 52 MP. All I see with 52 MP is HUGE RAW files, maybe 90-100 MB each. That's a lot for in-camera crunching and recording to cards.

I'll look at a 20 MP 5D4 with a nice bump in low light performance long before considering a 52 MP body. I still think the 52 MP body has a different audience than those who currently buy the 5D line. It actually makes more sense to put the 52 MP in the 6D2. But, it makes the most sense to spawn a new line of bodies for the high MP sensor.

+100000 Finally someone sensible!

 

[Tugela]

It makes no sense to replace the 5D3 with 52 MP body based on the 7D2 sensor.

I would take the speculation that this will be a 5DIV with a massive dose of salt.

Going back to the original interview, Canon understands that there are two primary markets: Those who need high ISO sensitivity with excellent noise control (which Canon nailed with the current generation of full frame cameras) and those who want higher resolution (which Canon apparently did not feel was a sufficiently large market to place an immediate emphasis on, but they apparently now feel they need to compete in that market)

I am certain that the high resolution Canon full frame (5D HD?) will not be a direct replacement for the 5D III. This "5D HD" (high definition) may surface in 2015, with the 5D IV (or 5D High Sensitivity) version showing up sometime near the end of the year or more likely in 2016.

(As an aside: apparently the low ISO, high dynamic range market is such a small niche market that Canon doesn't see it as sufficiently large enough to warrant a major release at this time. However, I can certainly see a scenario where the 5D IV/High Sensitivity would see at least a modest boost in dynamic range)

I think it is unwise to assume to know what Canon understands, since recent history suggests that they do NOT understand many things

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

After Sony put the 3 stop IBIS in the A7II, I think it is definitely worthwhile waiting for the A7RII. Sony may also fix other issues such as using a proper metal mount and dealing with vibration (will IBIS help with vibration?)

Yeah and hopefully they get rid of the lossy RAW files too, it's not much damage at all, but it should not be there.

Yup and I'm not really interested in waiting that long for Canon to catch up in sensor technology.

Yeah, I mean at some point enough is enough, then you are talking over a decade of shooting with old style low ISO sensors. That's a long time. Think of how many shots and how many places, some you might not get back to again for years at best.

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

And that a high MP camera will use a 7D2 sensor design is the final nail in the coffin for me buying it. Sony A7R or A7RII it will be for me. Maybe the Sony will have fewer MP than Canon's new camera but they will be better MP than what Canon will be offering.

Thanks Canon for trying.

Yeah, if it's just a 7D2 sensor that is larger. No sale . I guess I'll have to do the messy mix of 5D3 plus Sony A7R (II?) or some such or just give up and go Nikon and not have to deal with dragging two systems around (although sadly then giving up Canon lenses and UI entirely). But whatever I do mixed old body Canon+Canon lenses+Sony or all Nikon, in either case it's no new Canon bodies for me.

I hope they deliver something else.

If they don't, then I also think we are talking at least another five years after this comes out until they catch up to Exmor at low ISO and maybe even ten.

I think that's the millionth time we've discovered that forum users are not the prime demographic that Canon is pursuing, I'm having Déjà vu compounded on itself a dozen times over with the Inception theme playing in the background.

(Have fun on NR, really, do have fun. I told Jrista before and I'll say it again, go get the camera you want and enjoy it!)

+1000

We'll see. Don't forget 5 series is not a Rebel. The average camera buyer is not spending many thousands on a body. Those who do may be pickier about such things as this. We'll see if simply bumping the MP but not the rest of the image quality is enough. I'd almost bet that more people would prefer 25MP and more low ISO DR than 50MP and the same DR and I bet that would go to hugely more people would prefer 36MP and more low ISO DR than 50MP and lesser low ISO DR.

yeah the extra MP would be good for dual landscape/wildlife shooters, but without the extra DR the landscape upgrade is somewhat compromised and there are cheaper ways to get pure reach so a $4000 50MP with the same old Canon DR seems less exciting to me than a 36MP cam for less moeny with more DR and maybe more fps.