Canon Developing a New Slower Supertelephoto Lens [CR2]

GMCPhotographics said:
I certainly think there's a market for a 500 f5.6 LIS and a 600 f5.6 LIS
Especially if it's sharp wide open. Given that the new DO II optics look very good...these new lenses could be VERY small and light.

Given the price of the 400 DO, a 500 F5.6 and 600 F5.6 DO would be similarly priced.

Look at the prices of the 400 F2.8 and 600 F4. Expect a similar ratio.
 
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neuroanatomist said:
danski0224 said:
I can't realistically see Canon offering something that gives 80% of a 500/600 f/4 VII at 1/3 of the cost of one or less.

They already do for shorter lenses – 85mm, 200mm, 300mm, 400mm. The point for those lenses, as for the rumored lens here, is that the cheaper lenses are slower by 1-2 stops.

I think a perfect example of this is the 70-200 IS zoom lenses. The IQ on the F4 version and the F2.8 versions are almost identical.... yet one pays half as much for the F4 version....
 
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dilbert said:
neuroanatomist said:
GMCPhotographics said:
I certainly think there's a market for a 500 f5.6 LIS and a 600 f5.6 LIS

I wonder...what if the rumored lens is not an L-series lens?

Then absolutely nobody here will be interested in it because it won't be "cool" enough for them to own.
I own the 100mm non-L macro lens. I'd be more than happy for a 500mm non-L (maybe even non IS) lens with similar relative performance to the 100 macro.
 
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neuroanatomist said:
danski0224 said:
I can't realistically see Canon offering something that gives 80% of a 500/600 f/4 VII at 1/3 of the cost of one or less.

They already do for shorter lenses – 85mm, 200mm, 300mm, 400mm. The point for those lenses, as for the rumored lens here, is that the cheaper lenses are slower by 1-2 stops.

And even shorter than that - the 35/2 IS is what, 1/3rd the price of the 35L? Not sure what people would call it its performance as a percentage of the 35L, but it's awesome.
 
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I don't see a 500/5.6 cannibalizing more expensive options. The 400mm DO with a 1.4xTC is longer, lighter, sharper and maybe faster-focusing and with excellent IS. The 300/2.8 with a 2xTC is longer and probably sharper and faster-focusing. The 500/4 is brighter, faster-focusing, sharper and therefore easily takes a 1.4xTC even on a crop body e.g. Excellent IQ on 1D4 + 500L + 1.4xTc (>900mm). For people seriously needing the performance they won't compromise with a lower tier lens.

Does the 300mm f/4 L IS cannibalize the similarly priced 70-200mm f/4 L IS? A hypothetical 500/5.6 wouldn't necessarily be priced below the 100-400L II. Also, the 4x zoom on the 100-400mm is very versatile for subjects moving towards or away from camera. With a long prime a subject will change size quite a lot in the frame. I've been shooting a fair amount of indoor sports recently so I find it critical to keep the subject close to filling the frame as much as possible. Due to poor lighting, cropping too much in post-processing results in poor images due to high-ISO noise but at the same time you need to shoot wide enough to capture the action. So having the zoom design is incredibly valuable. I doubt that people seriously needing the versatility of a zoom would compromise their angle of view with a prime that is too long.
 
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I think that this lens will be an EF-S only mount lens. I would imagine that it would be up to 400mm and f5.6 as most Canon Rebels won't theoretically AF past this aperture in terms of minimum light for the AF sensor. It would be built along the lines of the 55-250mm, plastic, no tripod mount. As we see in the P&S compact market there is an emphasis on zooms, so it wouldn't be surprising to see a lens to compete. Something like 100-350mm 4.5-5.6 would sound about right and replace the current EF 70-300IS.
 
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MintChocs said:
I think that this lens will be an EF-S only mount lens. I would imagine that it would be up to 400mm and f5.6 as most Canon Rebels won't theoretically AF past this aperture in terms of minimum light for the AF sensor. It would be built along the lines of the 55-250mm, plastic, no tripod mount. As we see in the P&S compact market there is an emphasis on zooms, so it wouldn't be surprising to see a lens to compete. Something like 100-350mm 4.5-5.6 would sound about right and replace the current EF 70-300IS.
There is no reason for an EF-S lens. The diameter will be the same EF or EF-S...
 
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Maybe they can use DO optics to make a 600mm f/5.6 IS $3500 a reality.

The DO lenses have not really dramatically changed the lens landscape yet due to price. Canon said they have recently improved things again with DO manufacturing so maybe it's time for some volume manufacturing of a DO lens while Nikon, nor anyone else, has any lens competition.
 
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HighLowISO said:
Maybe they can use DO optics to make a 600mm f/5.6 IS $3500 a reality.

The DO lenses have not really dramatically changed the lens landscape yet due to price. Canon said they have recently improved things again with DO manufacturing so maybe it's time for some volume manufacturing of a DO lens while Nikon, nor anyone else, has any lens competition.
A 600mm f/5.6 IS would be a very nice addition. However, it will not cost 3500 the moment the 400 DO II costs almost double.
 
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I would expect a 600 DO to be pretty expensive. A 500 or 600 f/5.6L made of mostly standard glass with a UD element or two but no fluorite, in a simple design, might be under 5K$ - IS - I don't know how much that adds to the cost, but I would guess that a non-IS lens simply wouldn't sell. (The 400 non-IS sells because it is cheap and light and easy to handle bird-in-flight lens).
 
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