Canon EF 85mm f/1.4L IS USM on the Way [CR3]

[Maiaibing]

BUT...losing the f1.2 aperture is a real pity...it set this lens apart in the market place and still isn't matched by any of its rival marques. Personally, I think Canon should have made both the the 35mm II L and 24mm IIIL f1.2 lenses as well. But it's not to be.

I understand your feelings. But no one can seriously claim they can eyeball a 85mm f/1.2 picture from a 85mm f/1.4 picture.

Are you saying you cant see the difference between a 50mm f1.4 USM image and one from a 50mm f1.2L?

No. Just read what I wrote, which is clear enough.

 

[Maiaibing]

People...people...people....

The answer is so obvious....

EF 85 f/1.4 L IS USM is not replacing the EF 85 f/1.2 II.....the EF 85 f/1.0 will ....

f/1.4 for those that want it... f/1.0 to stake a flag pole as the best lens company out there.

We can dream, right?

Nope, dreaming can't break physics. It's impossible to make an 85f1.2 on the Nikon F mount, and f1.2 is probably the widest that an 85mm lens can go on the EF mount. When the electronic contacts have to be glued to the rear element on the current 85f1.2, I'm betting there's no possible way to go wider at that focal length.

Not sure I can follow your line of argument. What metrics are you using for this calculation?

 

[jolyonralph]

It's a genius move by Canon. Everyone who wants a decent portrait lens will buy the new 85mm f/1.4L IS, but those who already have the 85mm f/1.2L will probably have to keep both, just to be safe

 

[Viggo]

People...people...people....

The answer is so obvious....

EF 85 f/1.4 L IS USM is not replacing the EF 85 f/1.2 II.....the EF 85 f/1.0 will ....

f/1.4 for those that want it... f/1.0 to stake a flag pole as the best lens company out there.

We can dream, right?

Nope, dreaming can't break physics. It's impossible to make an 85f1.2 on the Nikon F mount, and f1.2 is probably the widest that an 85mm lens can go on the EF mount. When the electronic contacts have to be glued to the rear element on the current 85f1.2, I'm betting there's no possible way to go wider at that focal length.

Not sure I can follow your line of argument. What metrics are you using for this calculation?

Big aperture, big hole in the lens. Camera mount hole smaller than what a 85 f1.0 would be.

 

[9VIII]

People...people...people....

The answer is so obvious....

EF 85 f/1.4 L IS USM is not replacing the EF 85 f/1.2 II.....the EF 85 f/1.0 will ....

f/1.4 for those that want it... f/1.0 to stake a flag pole as the best lens company out there.

We can dream, right?

Nope, dreaming can't break physics. It's impossible to make an 85f1.2 on the Nikon F mount, and f1.2 is probably the widest that an 85mm lens can go on the EF mount. When the electronic contacts have to be glued to the rear element on the current 85f1.2, I'm betting there's no possible way to go wider at that focal length.

Not sure I can follow your line of argument. What metrics are you using for this calculation?

Big aperture, big hole in the lens. Camera mount hole smaller than what a 85 f1.0 would be.

Ok, so according to this: http://www.naturfotograf.com/lens_spec.html
There's an old Nikkor 85f1.0 with a 48mm inner throat (apparently it's a macro lens without focusing capabilities), which would still fit within the EF mount, so using whatever design that lens is maybe it's possible, regardless it's really pushing the limits.
I don't know the formula used to determine the exit diameter, it sounds like that aspect of a lens is variable to some degree, but we know for sure that Caonon is already approaching the boundaries with existing designs and it's a good question whether or not they can go much further.

 

[jeffa4444]

Canon are almost certainly doing a 85mm f1.4L IS to combat Sigma who,s Art series lenses have been a thorn in Canon & Nikon side.
Canon have done a 85mm f1.0 lenses before as we know and their is more logic in replacing the f1.2L lens with this aperture and creating three choices with whole stop differences. Don't expect the 1.4L to be cheap though my bet is it will be in the Euro 1,800 - 2,000 region or £ 1,600 - 1,800 much like the 35mm f1.4L II.

 

[tron]

Canon are almost certainly doing a 85mm f1.4L IS to combat Sigma who,s Art series lenses have been a thorn in Canon & Nikon side.
Canon have done a 85mm f1.0 lenses before as we know and their is more logic in replacing the f1.2L lens with this aperture and creating three choices with whole stop differences. Don't expect the 1.4L to be cheap though my bet is it will be in the Euro 1,800 - 2,000 region or £ 1,600 - 1,800 much like the 35mm f1.4L II.

When Canon did a 85mm f1.0 ?

 

[LordofTackle]

I was wondering the same...maybe he mixed it up with the 50mm?

 

[j-nord]

Canon are almost certainly doing a 85mm f1.4L IS to combat Sigma who,s Art series lenses have been a thorn in Canon & Nikon side.
Canon have done a 85mm f1.0 lenses before as we know and their is more logic in replacing the f1.2L lens with this aperture and creating three choices with whole stop differences. Don't expect the 1.4L to be cheap though my bet is it will be in the Euro 1,800 - 2,000 region or £ 1,600 - 1,800 much like the 35mm f1.4L II.

When Canon did a 85mm f1.0 ?

I think he might be mistaken. There may still be room for a f1.2, f1.4 IS and f1.8. But I'm skeptical that a f1.2 could sell at a higher price point than a f1.4 IS @ $1200-1600

 

[Random Orbits]

It's a genius move by Canon. Everyone who wants a decent portrait lens will buy the new 85mm f/1.4L IS, but those who already have the 85mm f/1.2L will probably have to keep both, just to be safe

+1. I was thinking the same thing.

 

[FramerMCB]

Canon are almost certainly doing a 85mm f1.4L IS to combat Sigma who,s Art series lenses have been a thorn in Canon & Nikon side.
Canon have done a 85mm f1.0 lenses before as we know and their is more logic in replacing the f1.2L lens with this aperture and creating three choices with whole stop differences. Don't expect the 1.4L to be cheap though my bet is it will be in the Euro 1,800 - 2,000 region or £ 1,600 - 1,800 much like the 35mm f1.4L II.

It will be quite a bit more than the 35mm f1.4L II. More glass, bigger lens (=more materials), IS, and demand. While I'm sure there is plenty of demand for the 35mm lens/focal length. I would bet the demand for an excellent 85mm with a wide aperture AND IS, and because of it's focal length, will have a broader appeal/demand. I would be highly surprised, if this lens gets made - based loosely on this rumor, that it would be less then $2000USD at introduction. In fact, it's not beyond possibility that it comes in around $2200-2400USD.

 

[FramerMCB]

BUT...losing the f1.2 aperture is a real pity...it set this lens apart in the market place and still isn't matched by any of its rival marques. Personally, I think Canon should have made both the the 35mm II L and 24mm IIIL f1.2 lenses as well. But it's not to be.

I understand your feelings. But no one can seriously claim they can eyeball a 85mm f/1.2 picture from a 85mm f/1.4 picture.

Then what was the reason for Canon's f1.2 len?

Because they could design and make it, knowing if they did it right (which they most certainly did) that it would be a good seller for them. I'm sure they went into designing it, knowing they could sell them and make a profit.

 

[AJ]

I'm really surprised by this.

I was expecting the 85/1.8 to be replaced by an affordable 85/2 IS, and I thought they'd leave their 85/1.2 mk 2 alone. Just like 35/2 IS and 35/1.4 mk 2.

Strange. Curious.

 

[GMCPhotographics]

Canon are almost certainly doing a 85mm f1.4L IS to combat Sigma who,s Art series lenses have been a thorn in Canon & Nikon side.
Canon have done a 85mm f1.0 lenses before as we know and their is more logic in replacing the f1.2L lens with this aperture and creating three choices with whole stop differences. Don't expect the 1.4L to be cheap though my bet is it will be in the Euro 1,800 - 2,000 region or £ 1,600 - 1,800 much like the 35mm f1.4L II.

It will be quite a bit more than the 35mm f1.4L II. More glass, bigger lens (=more materials), IS, and demand. While I'm sure there is plenty of demand for the 35mm lens/focal length. I would bet the demand for an excellent 85mm with a wide aperture AND IS, and because of it's focal length, will have a broader appeal/demand. I would be highly surprised, if this lens gets made - based loosely on this rumor, that it would be less then $2000USD at introduction. In fact, it's not beyond possibility that it comes in around $2200-2400USD.

I think you'll find that the retail cost will have very little to do with the component cost or the build cost. Most of the inflated prices are to re-coup their R&D cost and it's also what ever the buying market will bare...which has shown that people will pay large sums and in large quantities for exotic optics.

 

[wockawocka]

I'm really surprised by this.

I was expecting the 85/1.8 to be replaced by an affordable 85/2 IS, and I thought they'd leave their 85/1.2 mk 2 alone. Just like 35/2 IS and 35/1.4 mk 2.

Strange. Curious.

Nah, the 85L ii needs faster focusing and it needs to drop the focus by wire. Plus, blue goo to give CA free F/1.2

 

[grainier]

BUT...losing the f1.2 aperture is a real pity...it set this lens apart in the market place and still isn't matched by any of its rival marques. Personally, I think Canon should have made both the the 35mm II L and 24mm IIIL f1.2 lenses as well. But it's not to be.

I understand your feelings. But no one can seriously claim they can eyeball a 85mm f/1.2 picture from a 85mm f/1.4 picture.

Then what was the reason for Canon's f1.2 len?

Because Nikon is 1.4.

 

[GMCPhotographics]

BUT...losing the f1.2 aperture is a real pity...it set this lens apart in the market place and still isn't matched by any of its rival marques. Personally, I think Canon should have made both the the 35mm II L and 24mm IIIL f1.2 lenses as well. But it's not to be.

I understand your feelings. But no one can seriously claim they can eyeball a 85mm f/1.2 picture from a 85mm f/1.4 picture.

Then what was the reason for Canon's f1.2 len?

Because Nikon is 1.4.

I don't understand your train of thought. So Nikon releases an inferior and less bright variant to Canon's pre-existing lens (a lens linage which goes back to pre-AF days) and re-design it to compete with that? That's a step backwards, not forwards.

 

[Antono Refa]

I was expecting the 85/1.8 to be replaced by an affordable 85/2 IS, and I thought they'd leave their 85/1.2 mk 2 alone. Just like 35/2 IS and 35/1.4 mk 2.

My thoughts are:

1. Tamron has an 85mm f/1.8 VC, I see no reason for Canon to go f/2.

2. With Yongnuo selling copies of the EF 85mm f/1.8, I don't see Canon waiting much longer with the upgrade.

3. My impression is the 85mm f/1.8 isn't up to today's high res sensors.

So I'd expect a new EF 85mm f/1.8 IS USM coming soon.

 

[Loswr]

What if this rumored lens isn't an EF 85mm f/1.4L IS lens, but rather an EF-M 85mm f/2.4 IS? Clearly, that's a lens for which there would be millions thousands hundreds at least one buyer.

;D

 

[rrcphoto]

BUT...losing the f1.2 aperture is a real pity...it set this lens apart in the market place and still isn't matched by any of its rival marques. Personally, I think Canon should have made both the the 35mm II L and 24mm IIIL f1.2 lenses as well. But it's not to be.

I understand your feelings. But no one can seriously claim they can eyeball a 85mm f/1.2 picture from a 85mm f/1.4 picture.

Then what was the reason for Canon's f1.2 len?

Because Nikon is 1.4.

I don't understand your train of thought. So Nikon releases an inferior and less bright variant to Canon's pre-existing lens (a lens linage which goes back to pre-AF days) and re-design it to compete with that? That's a step backwards, not forwards.

optics and physics may have a play here?

the back element of an 85 1.2 "just" fits inside the EF mount throat.

however if there's a middle IS element, wouldn't it have to be larger to compensate for the shift of the elements?