Canon RF 85mm f/1.4L VCM on the Way

I am struggling with this... I have the 50mm F1.4 VCM and it's really good, but also very much like my EF 85mm F1.4 L is. And indeed that's got IS. I probably keep using that one. The in-camera stabilisation is only 2 stops is that correct?
Question of course is if I really need IS? I wouldn't go below 1/125s with 85mm anyway.
Which camera? I think that the R5 IBIS is rated for at least 5 stops (if you trust CIPA) and most modern Canon cameras are the same or better.
Sure IBIS may not be great for long focal lengths, but 50mm and 85mm should definitely be in IBIS' territory
 
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I am struggling with this... I have the 50mm F1.4 VCM and it's really good, but also very much like my EF 85mm F1.4 L is. And indeed that's got IS. I probably keep using that one. The in-camera stabilisation is only 2 stops is that correct?
Question of course is if I really need IS? I wouldn't go below 1/125s with 85mm anyway.
I often use my Leica M 90mm on the R5 II. IBIS works perfectly well, OIS wouldn't make an enormous difference in terms of stabilization.
Yet, for a lens like the R 180mm f/3,4 Apo, IBIS brings a gain of maybe 2 stops (max.).
I wouldn't hesitate to get the RF 85 f/1,4, if I didn't already own the optically (!!!) corrected EF version...;)
 
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I am struggling with this... I have the 50mm F1.4 VCM and it's really good, but also very much like my EF 85mm F1.4 L is. And indeed that's got IS. I probably keep using that one. The in-camera stabilisation is only 2 stops is that correct?
Question of course is if I really need IS? I wouldn't go below 1/125s with 85mm anyway.
I´d wait and see what the RF version has to offer. Maybe there are features you need or really like. The RF version will cost you more, of course.

I "upgraded" my EF 16-35mm F4 L because the RF version is shorter, lighter (especially considering the adapter), offers 2mm more at the wide and has a better magnification. The reasoning for upgrading my EF 100-400mm to the 100-500mm were reach and weight. At the time, the used prices for the EF were sky high (corona lockdown) and I got the RF one at a great price (before all the price hikes...)

I didn´t "upgrade" any other EF lens, but over time I got sick and tired of the adapter, so I sold them all. I am considering getting the 135mm F2 L. Firstly, I am very curious and then maybe I'll keep it... but using it with an adapter... argh...
 
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Certainly not!
Harry would have mentioned an f/1,05 12-2500mm zoom made of bi-chromatic zenon coated hyper acrylo-zombium lenses.
He is far more creative, a lightweight 35mm f/1,2 would be too vulgar for our optical genius! ;)
I tend to hope for more realistic lenses. With the F1.2 line-up, I really think Canon should revisit the RF 50mm and RF 85mm in terms of size, weight and maybe even faster AF. Maybe they can even figure out a couple of features to differentiate them from the VCM line-up. Considering what I´ve read, maybe some video capabilities as well (focus breathing).

Releasing a 50mm or 85mm F1.2 mkii BEOFRE releasing a RF 35mm F1.2 would break the photography internet. Therefore, a newly designed 35mm F1.2 does make a lot of sense (to me) and that's what I am hoping for.
 
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I tend to hope for more realistic lenses. With the F1.2 line-up, I really think Canon should revisit the RF 50mm and RF 85mm in terms of size, weight and maybe even faster AF. Maybe they can even figure out a couple of features to differentiate them from the VCM line-up. Considering what I´ve read, maybe some video capabilities as well (focus breathing).

Releasing a 50mm or 85mm F1.2 mkii BEOFRE releasing a RF 35mm F1.2 would break the photography internet. Therefore, a newly designed 35mm F1.2 does make a lot of sense (to me) and that's what I am hoping for.
And I think that, before redesigning the 50 and 85 f/1,2, there are many more important lenses to be made. These lenses are optically almost perfect...
What about a 200-500 zoom, a 14 TSE, a 24 TSE, a 50 macro, a 180 macro, a 70-150 zoom, a 14 f/1,4, a 35 f/1,2, a 24-70 f/2 and so on and so on...
Reducing the size could mean compromises. A smaller f(lighter) front lens most often induces stronger vignetting, thus the need for software correction. Are users in this high-end segment ready to accept it? I have some doubts...
There's a French proverb which I must already have quoted in a different context: You cannot have the butter and the money for the butter. Some would add: And the milkmaid... ;)
 
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And I think that, before redesigning the 50 and 85 f/1,2, there are many more important lenses to be made. These lenses are optically almost perfect...
What about a 200-500 zoom, a 14 TSE, a 24 TSE, a 50 macro, a 180 macro, a 70-150 zoom, a 14 f/1,4, a 35 f/1,2, a 24-70 f/2 and so on and so on...
Reducing the size could mean compromises. A smaller f(lighter) front lens most often induces stronger vignetting, thus the need for software correction. Are users in this high-end segment ready to accept it? I have some doubts...
There's a French proverb which I must already have quoted in a different context: You cannot have the butter and the money for the butter. Some would add: And the milkmaid... ;)
A long macro lens is long overdue. The EF 180mm f3.5 is from 1996. Canon has extended the service life of this lens until November 2027, so we might have to wait another 2 years :(. By that time my copy is nearing 25 years of service (fingers crossed).

You forgot the RF 600mm f4 with built in extender in your list.

For lens end of service dates see: https://www.canonrumors.com/canon-service-life-for-cameras-lenses-update/#canon-ef-macro
 
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And I think that, before redesigning the 50 and 85 f/1,2, there are many more important lenses to be made. These lenses are optically almost perfect...
What about a 200-500 zoom, a 14 TSE, a 24 TSE, a 50 macro, a 180 macro, a 70-150 zoom, a 14 f/1,4, a 35 f/1,2, a 24-70 f/2 and so on and so on...
Reducing the size could mean compromises. A smaller f(lighter) front lens most often induces stronger vignetting, thus the need for software correction. Are users in this high-end segment ready to accept it? I have some doubts...
There's a French proverb which I must already have quoted in a different context: You cannot have the butter and the money for the butter. Some would add: And the milkmaid... ;)
I agree with you, there are lenses to be designed and made first. But I do believe the F1.2 should be at least a bit lighter. Sonys 50mm shove of nearly 200gr without the compromises you mentioned. Plus, the Canon EF 50mm F1.2 weighs only 580gr while the RF weighs 950gr. Although the RF performs better, I wonder why Canon had to raise its weight by nearly 40%...

Sonys version apparently performs really well for videos. So, I guess the 50mm F1.2 can be improved. I am waiting and wondering to see how much a Sony 85mm F1.2 would/ will weigh. Canons 1.195gr seems like a lot...
 
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A long macro lens is long overdue. The EF 180mm f3.5 is from 1996. Canon has extended the service life of this lens until November 2027, so we might have to wait another 2 years :(. By that time my copy is nearing 25 years of service (fingers crossed).

You forgot the RF 600mm f4 with built in extender in your list.

For lens end of service dates see: https://www.canonrumors.com/canon-service-life-for-cameras-lenses-update/#canon-ef-macro
Nope!
It was included in "and so on, and so on"! :LOL:
By the way,I also would like to see a 70-300mm L, semi-macro, but only if, with extenders, it suffers as little as the 70-200 VCM.
(I know I'm dreaming...)
 
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Nope!
It was included in "and so on, and so on"! :LOL:
By the way,I also would like to see a 70-300mm L, semi-macro, but only if, with extenders, it suffers as little as the 70-200 VCM.
(I know I'm dreaming...)
Shame on you: The 600mm f4 L with a built in extender is to important to be in the “and so on, and so on” category.

The EF 70-300mm L lens is a great lens, an RF equivalent would be welcome. But first a long (180 or 200mm) macro lens and the 600mm with built in extender.

I suspect you mean the RF 70-200mm Z lens? This lens a has dual nano USM motors, not VCM.
 
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Is it known whether the lens will have IS?
None of the other VCM lenses has IS. Craig writes “It is expected to be about the same size as the other four VCM prime lenses, but no word on weight”. IS adds bulk and weight to a lens, so I suspect that it is highly unlikely that the RF 85mm f1.4 will have IS.
 
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Shame on you: The 600mm f4 L with a built in extender is to important to be in the “and so on, and so on” category.

The EF 70-300mm L lens is a great lens, an RF equivalent would be welcome. But first a long (180 or 200mm) macro lens and the 600mm with built in extender.

I suspect you mean the RF 70-200mm Z lens? This lens a has dual nano USM motors, not VCM.
Mea culpa, mea maxima culpa:cry:
And yes, of course I meant the Z lens, shame on me.
But the first one MUST be the 14 TSE. That's irrefragable. Period!
 
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And I think that, before redesigning the 50 and 85 f/1,2, there are many more important lenses to be made. These lenses are optically almost perfect...
What about a 200-500 zoom, a 14 TSE, a 24 TSE, a 50 macro, a 180 macro, a 70-150 zoom, a 14 f/1,4, a 35 f/1,2, a 24-70 f/2 and so on and so on...
Reducing the size could mean compromises. A smaller f(lighter) front lens most often induces stronger vignetting, thus the need for software correction. Are users in this high-end segment ready to accept it? I have some doubts...
There's a French proverb which I must already have quoted in a different context: You cannot have the butter and the money for the butter. Some would add: And the milkmaid... ;)
The ridiculous American (or maybe English?) saying is "Why buy the cow when you can have the milk (and milkmaid [I'm adding]) for free?"
 
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