Canon EF 85mm f/1.4L IS USM on the Way [CR3]

[GMCPhotographics]

even with a kickstarter project global shutters can do 1/500.000s ... real. not simulated. 100% mechanics-free. solid state.

https://m.dpreview.com/news/3183042217/chronos-high-speed-camera-hits-crowdfunding-goal-in-record-time

i want a solid state ff mirrorless camera with global shutter from canon. 1/8000s or even 1/4000s would be fine alteady with me. i am easy to please.

Looks great, I'll look forwards to playing with one someday

 

[JMZawodny]

optics and physics may have a play here?

the back element of an 85 1.2 "just" fits inside the EF mount throat.

however if there's a middle IS element, wouldn't it have to be larger to compensate for the shift of the elements?

No, the last element/group is fixed in place. All of the shifting takes place before that.

I think he meant the rear element would need to be larger in diameter to accommodate the shifting elements within the lens.

I understand, but if the shifting was effective the final aperture should be sufficient.

 

[Loswr]

optics and physics may have a play here?

the back element of an 85 1.2 "just" fits inside the EF mount throat.

however if there's a middle IS element, wouldn't it have to be larger to compensate for the shift of the elements?

No, the last element/group is fixed in place. All of the shifting takes place before that.

I think he meant the rear element would need to be larger in diameter to accommodate the shifting elements within the lens.

I understand, but if the shifting was effective the final aperture should be sufficient.

Makes sense.

 

[rrcphoto]

optics and physics may have a play here?

the back element of an 85 1.2 "just" fits inside the EF mount throat.

however if there's a middle IS element, wouldn't it have to be larger to compensate for the shift of the elements?

No, the last element/group is fixed in place. All of the shifting takes place before that.

I think he meant the rear element would need to be larger in diameter to accommodate the shifting elements within the lens.

I understand, but if the shifting was effective the final aperture should be sufficient.

wasn't the question / supposition.

do the elements behind the IS unit have to be larger to compensate for the shifting elements?

and if so, is there physical room in an EF mount for that to happen?

 

[Maiaibing]

So while many may want f/1.2 from a bokeh point of view a f/1.4 with 4 stops of IS becomes a more logical choice for high MP cameras.

You get more blur @f/1.2. But not necessarily better bokeh than @f/1.4...

 

[mb66energy]

even with a kickstarter project global shutters can do 1/500.000s ... real. not simulated. 100% mechanics-free. solid state.

https://m.dpreview.com/news/3183042217/chronos-high-speed-camera-hits-crowdfunding-goal-in-record-time

i want a solid state ff mirrorless camera with global shutter from canon. 1/8000s or even 1/4000s would be fine alteady with me. i am easy to please.

I like solid state solutions too. But the Chronos achieves the 1/500 000 shutter speed only at the highest framerate ... showing 640x96 pixels. This is 1/20 of its sensor area which is 1/12 of FF sensor area. A FF sensor needs 240 times the time for global shutter which is 1/2000 theoretically. I am shure that this simple calculation is o.k. because speed is limited by the capacity of the sensor which is proportional to the sensor area. Charging and discharging large capacities requires comparatively large electric currents which may induce side effects disturbing IQ.

Only some tricks like dividing the sensor in different sections where global shutter is applied simultanously might help to make global shutter for FF sensors possible (the short exp times you and I want). Maybe this will come with still higher integration of electronics on the sensor die.

 

[AvTvM]

even with a kickstarter project global shutters can do 1/500.000s ... real. not simulated. 100% mechanics-free. solid state.

https://m.dpreview.com/news/3183042217/chronos-high-speed-camera-hits-crowdfunding-goal-in-record-time

i want a solid state ff mirrorless camera with global shutter from canon. 1/8000s or even 1/4000s would be fine alteady with me. i am easy to please.

I like solid state solutions too. But the Chronos achieves the 1/500 000 shutter speed only at the highest framerate ... showing 640x96 pixels. This is 1/20 of its sensor area which is 1/12 of FF sensor area. A FF sensor needs 240 times the time for global shutter which is 1/2000 theoretically. I am shure that this simple calculation is o.k. because speed is limited by the capacity of the sensor which is proportional to the sensor area. Charging and discharging large capacities requires comparatively large electric currents which may induce side effects disturbing IQ.
...

I would accept a measly 1/4000s global shutter on an FF sensor. Should work easily ... 1/500.000s * 1/12 = plenty of leeway for 1/4000

 

[scyrene]

Nevertheless, I'm using the 100 2.8 Macro IS which currently lives on my 5DSR and love that perspective for portrait shots. The IS is EXTREMELY helpful for hand-holding with the high resolution. This new 85, assuming it comes to fruition, could be a candidate as a lens to permanently attach to the 5DSR for portraits, freeing up the 100 once again. Although I really do like the 100mm perspective...but having two extra stops could be huge in certain situations.

One advantage of a macro lens is the superior sharpness wide open (not that the others are soft, but macro lenses tend to be sharper). I've seen some excellent portrait work done with the 100L macro.

 

[Deleted member 7828]

Yeah, that 100 is definitely sharp...to put it in perspective, I often use the 5DS R and 5D3 as a pair...The 5DSR pictures are often sharper and crisper AT 100% - WITH the highly demanding 50MP sensor - than the 5D3 pics are at 100% at 22MP with the 24-105 at its long end. That was a real eye-opener for me...

 

[scyrene]

Yeah, that 100 is definitely sharp...to put it in perspective, I often use the 5DS R and 5D3 as a pair...The 5DSR pictures are often sharper and crisper AT 100% - WITH the highly demanding 50MP sensor - than the 5D3 pics are at 100% at 22MP with the 24-105 at its long end. That was a real eye-opener for me...

The 100L macro is probably my favourite lens. Not that I use it all the time, but when I come back to it, it never ceases to impress me, and its value-to-image-quality ratio is excellent. And in addition to macros and portraiture, it makes a pretty good, if slightly long, all round lens.

 

[infared]

Yeah, that 100 is definitely sharp...to put it in perspective, I often use the 5DS R and 5D3 as a pair...The 5DSR pictures are often sharper and crisper AT 100% - WITH the highly demanding 50MP sensor - than the 5D3 pics are at 100% at 22MP with the 24-105 at its long end. That was a real eye-opener for me...

The 100L macro is probably my favourite lens. Not that I use it all the time, but when I come back to it, it never ceases to impress me, and its value-to-image-quality ratio is excellent. And in addition to macros and portraiture, it makes a pretty good, if slightly long, all round lens.

Good point. I am usually amazed at the sharpness and contrast in the images that I get with mine. That lens is impressive.
....but the dreamy bokeh from my 85mm f/1.2L II grenade is also quite impressive for different reasons and uses. I am sure that this new iteration of the 85mm w/IS 8), will be impressive....but the current version will remain the sought-after classic that it is.

 

[Etienne]

I have a dream ...

... that it will be 600g, and $1200

 

[tron]

I have a dream ...

... that it will be 600g, and $1200

Ntriiiiiin it's the wake alarm ;D

 

[vscd]

One advantage of a macro lens is the superior sharpness wide open (not that the others are soft, but macro lenses tend to be sharper). I've seen some excellent portrait work done with the 100L macro.

I don't think this has something to do with beeing a macro, but of course sharpness is the most important point on such lenses. So they usually perform good in this regard. I also own the 100L which is a hell of a lens for the price (L, weathersealed, HybridIS, sharp...), but don't forget: even if the 100L is sharp wide open, the 85L II is *sharper* stopped down to f2.8

 

[Jopa]

I have a dream ...

... that it will be 600g, and $1200

By todays definitions a 600g 85mm lens is a sign of not-so-good optics Look at the Otus / Milvus / Sigma etc... 1kg is a must. And the price - $1200 is good for Sigma. For a "prime brand" it's going to be at least $1800.

If we see an 85mm Canon lens for $1200 / 600g it won't be worth buying most likely

 

[Talley]

So I have the 85 ART and it's AF is rock solid and the thing is darn sharp and the bokeh is very good. So I'm 100% happy and initially I was thinking OOOoooo I want the IS canon version.

But shooting people I tend to be in the 1/160min range anyway so then it's like... well you just KNOW canon's version will be 2200 so I won't upgrade.

The end.

 

[ktatty]

Its about time !

 

[infared]

So I have the 85 ART and it's AF is rock solid and the thing is darn sharp and the bokeh is very good. So I'm 100% happy and initially I was thinking OOOoooo I want the IS canon version.

But shooting people I tend to be in the 1/160min range anyway so then it's like... well you just KNOW canon's version will be 2200 so I won't upgrade.

The end.

(I think you meant 1/160sec )
I have the 80-200 f/2.8L IS when I need fast focus...and have the Canon 85mm f/1.2L II when I need more subject separation, bokeh and sometimes downright magic....So I have this focal length somewhat covered for my needs...
I do own the 20mm, 35mm & 50mm Sigma Arts, though....and find them to be incredible glass for the price once carefully calibrated on the Sigma Dock for my 5DIII. I am sure that your 85mm Art must be fantastic...I would not lose any sleep over a super expensive lens that "may" be released in 2017. "A bird in the hand..."

 

[Alex_M]

My Sigma 85 Art is still on back order. There is no stock in Australia with first shipment expected to hit the country on the 16th of December 2016 in extremely limited quantities. The second shipment is expected to arrive on 15-25th of January 2017. At this stage it looks though that I am going to receive my lens in Jan 2017. I preordered the lens in the first week of November.

 

[Etienne]

I have a dream ...

... that it will be 600g, and $1200

By todays definitions a 600g 85mm lens is a sign of not-so-good optics Look at the Otus / Milvus / Sigma etc... 1kg is a must. And the price - $1200 is good for Sigma. For a "prime brand" it's going to be at least $1800.

If we see an 85mm Canon lens for $1200 / 600g it won't be worth buying most likely

It was a nice dream while it lasted!