Canon EOS-1D X Mark II Announcement Coming in January 2016? [CR1]

[Orangutan]

I don't think one will cannibalise the other. Two very different cameras with very different purposes at two very different prices.

That's also what I would have assumed, but I'm more convinced that Canon has a very solid market research staff. If they think it'll cannibalize, I would trust their track record of making money for Canon.

 

[scottkinfw]

I think I can finally contribute a scintilla here.

Today I went to a local camera store that is quite excellent at providing services like seminars, expos, and events with factory reps.

Fortunately, I got there when there at a time where I could have the rep and his gear all to myself. I asked about the launch of the New 1DXII (or whatever they will call it). Of course his lips were rather tightly sealed, but he had no problem telling me that the new 1DX should launch within 3 months. He quoted his "source" high up in the company.

I have met and spoken with this rep many times over the years and got the feel that he was shooting straight with me.

Take that with the grain of salt that it deserves, and give it the CR value it deserves. I was encouraged however. Only problem now is to come up with the 6 to 7 grand it will undoubtedly cost.

Hope this helps.

sek

 

[scottkinfw]

I agree with your assessment. I am not sure that I agree that a 5D will be able to cannibalize the 1DX. There is a big price difference (not everyone has the extra cash despite a desire to upgrade), and many loyal 5D shooters may not want to upgrade for reasons such as size/ergonomics, weight, and even an intimidation factor of learning a completely different system. I for one held and shot a 1DX today for the first time. I am likely going to upgrade to the Mark II, but I must say, it is an imposing camera that a few years ago, I would be too intimidated to even try to take on. May sound silly, but I think that a lot of shooters may feel this way.

sek

It makes sense that they would annouce the flagship camera first and January gets them off to a flying start in 2016. I still think the 5D MKIV will be annouced on March 2nd and the 80D will likely be a Photokina annoucement in September.

It is very unlikely in my opinion that they will announce 5D MkIV before 1D XII even starts shipping, because that will "cannibalize sales"... But it will be a pleasant surprise for me if you are right

 

[scottkinfw]

WWNS- What Would Neuro Say?

About time. Canon must release a new 1D body and it must have a sensor with massive improvements or they will go bankrupt next year. At least I have read that on this forum.

 

[scottkinfw]

Sounds like you are saying that you expect the new release to have nothing new/interesting/compelling except a II vs I after its name?

sek

New package, old technology. It will be a bit better and faster, but not much, no radically improvement in the sensor, neither in dynamic range at low ISO nor in noise at high ISO. For high ISO we'll see some improvements but only because the JPEG engine is better at noise suppression. Let's bet!

My reasoning:
A) A high dynamic range is not very important for a journalist camera. What we have is just good enough, you pay for the robust body and the speed. They could make more use of integrated WiFi and automatic uploading to get the shots out as fast as possible. When there is WiFi already integrated we might even see 3rd party apps like Facebook upload but I wouldn't bet on that.

B) At high ISO there is not much to gain physically maybe half a stop with current technology optimized, likely less to none. You need a whole new technology with stacked RGB sites with really good color separation to get 1-2 stops of improvements here - after that we're done there aren't anymore photons to count. Canon would be like the 3rd player in the market to implement that if it really works well.

 

[scottkinfw]

Before I go back to sleep, tell me what that "main component" is? I was thinking about your comment and that is in my mind an unanswerable question other than to say, the weakest link in the system is the main component.

So what do you think it is?

sek

What's the 'main' component of a body? Certainly not af/speedlite get the main thing right in your flagship bodies Canon. Enough hibernation already!

Don't agree with me? Good for you! Stay asleep

 

[heptagon]

Sounds like you are saying that you expect the new release to have nothing new/interesting/compelling except a II vs I after its name?

No major improvements. It will be a bit faster and the JPEG engine will be better. Maybe there's "radically new" things in other areas. One thing I think would be very useful is integrated WiFi and an App-Store to improve image handling. Suppose you have multiple shooters at an event. How do you coordinate them properly?

 

[plam_1980]

It makes sense that they would annouce the flagship camera first and January gets them off to a flying start in 2016. I still think the 5D MKIV will be annouced on March 2nd and the 80D will likely be a Photokina annoucement in September.

It is very unlikely in my opinion that they will announce 5D MkIV before 1D XII even starts shipping, because that will "cannibalize sales"... But it will be a pleasant surprise for me if you are right

I don't think one will cannibalise the other. Two very different cameras with very different purposes at two very different prices.

It is not important what you or I think, but what Canon thinks.

 

[pedro]

New package, old technology. It will be a bit better and faster, but not much, no radically improvement in the sensor, neither in dynamic range at low ISO nor in noise at high ISO. For high ISO we'll see some improvements but only because the JPEG engine is better at noise suppression. Let's bet!

My reasoning:
A) A high dynamic range is not very important for a journalist camera. What we have is just good enough, you pay for the robust body and the speed. They could make more use of integrated WiFi and automatic uploading to get the shots out as fast as possible. When there is WiFi already integrated we might even see 3rd party apps like Facebook upload but I wouldn't bet on that.

B) At high ISO there is not much to gain physically maybe half a stop with current technology optimized, likely less to none. You need a whole new technology with stacked RGB sites with really good color separation to get 1-2 stops of improvements here - after that we're done there aren't anymore photons to count. Canon would be like the 3rd player in the market to implement that if it really works well.

Hope you're wrong on that one, because the last rumor hinted at a new sensor, and I cannot think anything else than new tech as well...

 

[Orangutan]

What's the 'main' component of a body? Certainly not af/speedlite get the main thing right in your flagship bodies Canon. Enough hibernation already!

Don't agree with me? Good for you! Stay asleep

Before I go back to sleep, tell me what that "main component" is? I was thinking about your comment and that is in my mind an unanswerable question other than to say, the weakest link in the system is the main component.

So what do you think it is?

The "main component," of course, is the photographer; therefore, it seems indisputable that the "main component" will be little more than a small, evolutionary advance over the one used by the previous model.

 

[Cali Capture]

I would agree with the notion that a 5D Mark III would not hurt D sales if the Rumor of NO 4K video is correct in the D5 mk III. Many will, if they can, shell out extra $ for the 4K video option. If the previous interview with Canon Executive holds, 4K needs the body space (currently) of a D body, and I would add to not affect the still picture specs of said camera. He also mention more specialized body's, so 4K D5 may be an future option along side a High ISO model.

I also agree with the comments about being "Vested" in a brand system. Smart money goes into lenses, so when you do upgrade a body, you want it to be worth the cost. That and Canon's currently long lapse time has created some high expectations here, and I too hope they bring some BOOM with the flagships!

 

[M_S]

I would agree with the notion that a 5D Mark III would not hurt D sales if the Rumor of NO 4K video is correct in the D5 mk III. Many will, if they can, shell out extra $ for the 4K video option. If the previous interview with Canon Executive holds, 4K needs the body space (currently) of a D body, and I would add to not affect the still picture specs of said camera. He also mention more specialized body's, so 4K D5 may be an future option along side a High ISO model.

I also agree with the comments about being "Vested" in a brand system. Smart money goes into lenses, so when you do upgrade a body, you want it to be worth the cost. That and Canon's currently long lapse time has created some high expectations here, and I too hope they bring some BOOM with the flagships!

I think that the size of a D body has to be used in order to get 4K running is ....remarkable to say the least. An A7S or A7RII are both much smaller and have 4K, heck they even record internally. So that statement is utter .... They (Sony) have to make it bulkier to get a better battery life out of it, but thats all.
If the new 5D IV comes without 4K and some video-features (nice flat curves, focus peaking etc. the lot) paired with some stunning sensor tech for taking stills, then this is, at least for me, not a reason to upgrade from my 5D III. I will look seriously at Sony or Nikon then and buy myself into that ecosystem. What I do with my Canon lenses I will see when the time comes.

 

[applecider]

Would it be too much to hope for:

Integrated WiFi, GPS, intervalometer, and radio flash control. And please no attitude that Pros will use the dedicated attachments, really how professional do all those accessories look or function for that matter. I think that it appears that in the past canon has wanted those who had need for the above functionality to pay up for the separate modules. And please with an integrated grip there has got to be some place to insert antennae for these things.

Camera control software for mobile shooting with phones tablets etc.

Higher iso no fewer frames per second and a touch better DR especially at higher iso. Truly silent shutter mode.

Oh and some way to get a tighter lens to body connection out of the EF mount, maybe a spring pin.

And a price at less than $7000.

 

[heptagon]

New package, old technology. It will be a bit better and faster, but not much, no radically improvement in the sensor, neither in dynamic range at low ISO nor in noise at high ISO. For high ISO we'll see some improvements but only because the JPEG engine is better at noise suppression. Let's bet!

My reasoning:
A) A high dynamic range is not very important for a journalist camera. What we have is just good enough, you pay for the robust body and the speed. They could make more use of integrated WiFi and automatic uploading to get the shots out as fast as possible. When there is WiFi already integrated we might even see 3rd party apps like Facebook upload but I wouldn't bet on that.

B) At high ISO there is not much to gain physically maybe half a stop with current technology optimized, likely less to none. You need a whole new technology with stacked RGB sites with really good color separation to get 1-2 stops of improvements here - after that we're done there aren't anymore photons to count. Canon would be like the 3rd player in the market to implement that if it really works well.

Hope you're wrong on that one, because the last rumor hinted at a new sensor, and I cannot think anything else than new tech as well...

Canon made a new sensor for the 7D2 and the 5Ds and we all know how that turned out.

Maybe better autofocus? Dual-Quad-Phase-Contrast-Something? That's an area where major improvements could be made IMHO. The 1DX needs the fastest and most accurate focus of all.

The patent with sub-pixels for high dynamic contrast is interesting. It could come to the 1DXs with as many pixels as the 5Ds but for the 1DX2 it wouldn't make as much sense. Yes, it would be nice but it won't be a game changer for journalists. It would, however be a game changer for landscape photographers. But they need a high resolution, too. Also, this will very likely make the camera worse at high ISO.

Also keep in mind, that Canon is very conservative and the 1DX2 must work very reliably, so I wouldn't expect any revolutionary new thing, just the best of everything at a reasonably high price.

 

[MrToes]

The 1DX Mk II better come out soon with some impressive numbers. The leaked Nikon D5 image and specs were just leaked! Or it better have impressive numbers for at least for the benefit of my pocket book!

http://nikonrumors.com/2015/12/12/first-pictures-of-the-nikon-d5-dslr-camera.aspx/

 

[HighLowISO]

What's the 'main' component of a body? Certainly not af/speedlite get the main thing right in your flagship bodies Canon. Enough hibernation already!

Don't agree with me? Good for you! Stay asleep

Before I go back to sleep, tell me what that "main component" is? I was thinking about your comment and that is in my mind an unanswerable question other than to say, the weakest link in the system is the main component.

So what do you think it is?

The "main component," of course, is the photographer; therefore, it seems indisputable that the "main component" will be little more than a small, evolutionary advance over the one used by the previous model.

You are of course 100% correct. One of the few sensible things in this thread. We'll just have to wait to see what, if any, announcements come in January.

 

[romanr74]

What's the 'main' component of a body? Certainly not af/speedlite get the main thing right in your flagship bodies Canon. Enough hibernation already!

Don't agree with me? Good for you! Stay asleep

Aha...

 

[Ozarker]

I'm trying to not get hyped up too much since I'm not 100% confident that 1DX2 will be such groundbreaking that I need to upgrade. It'd be awesome to be wrong here, but I like to start conservative and be positively surprised when the time comes.

I never forgot the special Christmas present I presumed to be a transistor radio, long ago. Turned out to be a crummy alarm clock!

I've sold my 1D IV based on the conviction that I'll get the 1DX II since I passed on the 1DX. I doubt that I could ever be disappointed in this situation. I want resolution that exceeds my 6D and that shouldn't be too big of an expectation, no?

Jack

Jack

You'll put your eye out kid. ;D

 

[Loswr]

What's the 'main' component of a body? Certainly not af/speedlite get the main thing right in your flagship bodies Canon. Enough hibernation already!

Don't agree with me? Good for you! Stay asleep

Before I go back to sleep, tell me what that "main component" is? I was thinking about your comment and that is in my mind an unanswerable question other than to say, the weakest link in the system is the main component.

So what do you think it is?

The "main component," of course, is the photographer; therefore, it seems indisputable that the "main component" will be little more than a small, evolutionary advance over the one used by the previous model.

True, but clearly it's impossible to be a photographer who takes good pictures without at least 13.5-stops of DR. As for staying asleep, well, if you can't push your severely underexposed images at least 6 stops, there's no point in even getting out of bed.

:

 

[Orangutan]

The "main component," of course, is the photographer; therefore, it seems indisputable that the "main component" will be little more than a small, evolutionary advance over the one used by the previous model.

True, but clearly it's impossible to be a photographer who takes good pictures without at least 13.5-stops of DR. As for staying asleep, well, if you can't push your severely underexposed images at least 6 stops, there's no point in even getting out of bed.

:

Not everyone wants more DR and less shadow noise just to push underexposed photos 6 stops -- there are real-life situations where it's helpful. As you've shown repeatedly, of course, a little more DR doesn't help in the most challenging cases. Nevertheless, more is better. Or, in the case of shadow noise, less is better.