Canon EOS-1D X Mark II Announcement Coming in January 2016? [CR1]

[Loswr]

The "main component," of course, is the photographer; therefore, it seems indisputable that the "main component" will be little more than a small, evolutionary advance over the one used by the previous model.

True, but clearly it's impossible to be a photographer who takes good pictures without at least 13.5-stops of DR. As for staying asleep, well, if you can't push your severely underexposed images at least 6 stops, there's no point in even getting out of bed.

:

Not everyone wants more DR and less shadow noise just to push underexposed photos 6 stops -- there are real-life situations where it's helpful. As you've shown repeatedly, of course, a little more DR doesn't help in the most challenging cases. Nevertheless, more is better. Or, in the case of shadow noise, less is better.

No one (I hope) would argue that point. Likewise, more fps is better, deeper buffer is better, more AF point spread is better, more cross-type points is better, more metering sensor density is better, a faster sync speed is better, etc.

Maybe the 'main component' is the shutter button, kind of important for taking pictures, 'eh?

 

[Orangutan]

The "main component," of course, is the photographer; therefore, it seems indisputable that the "main component" will be little more than a small, evolutionary advance over the one used by the previous model.

True, but clearly it's impossible to be a photographer who takes good pictures without at least 13.5-stops of DR. As for staying asleep, well, if you can't push your severely underexposed images at least 6 stops, there's no point in even getting out of bed.

:

Not everyone wants more DR and less shadow noise just to push underexposed photos 6 stops -- there are real-life situations where it's helpful. As you've shown repeatedly, of course, a little more DR doesn't help in the most challenging cases. Nevertheless, more is better. Or, in the case of shadow noise, less is better.

No one (I hope) would argue that point. Likewise, more fps is better, deeper buffer is better, more AF point spread is better, more cross-type points is better, more metering sensor density is better, a faster sync speed is better, etc.

Maybe the 'main component' is the shutter button, kind of important for taking pictures, 'eh?

To paraphrase scottinfw, the "main component" is whatever thing doesn't work they way you think it should.

 

[Loswr]

To paraphrase scottinfw, the "main component" is whatever thing doesn't work they way you think it should.

Ahhhh, got it. The direct button is the main component.

 

[Ozarker]

Sounds like you are saying that you expect the new release to have nothing new/interesting/compelling except a II vs I after its name?

sek

New package, old technology. It will be a bit better and faster, but not much, no radically improvement in the sensor, neither in dynamic range at low ISO nor in noise at high ISO. For high ISO we'll see some improvements but only because the JPEG engine is better at noise suppression. Let's bet!

My reasoning:
A) A high dynamic range is not very important for a journalist camera. What we have is just good enough, you pay for the robust body and the speed. They could make more use of integrated WiFi and automatic uploading to get the shots out as fast as possible. When there is WiFi already integrated we might even see 3rd party apps like Facebook upload but I wouldn't bet on that.

B) At high ISO there is not much to gain physically maybe half a stop with current technology optimized, likely less to none. You need a whole new technology with stacked RGB sites with really good color separation to get 1-2 stops of improvements here - after that we're done there aren't anymore photons to count. Canon would be like the 3rd player in the market to implement that if it really works well.

He's somebody with a special channel to the inside. He's in the know.

 

[Luds34]

The 1DX Mk II better come out soon with some impressive numbers. The leaked Nikon D5 image and specs were just leaked! Or it better have impressive numbers for at least for the benefit of my pocket book!

http://nikonrumors.com/2015/12/12/first-pictures-of-the-nikon-d5-dslr-camera.aspx/

Don't forget the NX1 came out and based on leaked specs of the Canon many folks said the 7D2 would be "dead on arrival". There are plenty of intangibles to a camera that don't show up in a spec sheet.

 

[davidmurray]

How long has it been since Canon released the 5D3? That is a superb camera. I believe Canon knows how to make excellent cameras that sell well.
I'm sure that the next versions of their 2 finest camera bodies will be good cameras worthy of the "Canon" and 1D/5D monikers.

That is why I am confident that my investment in Canon glass will continue to bring future benefits as the bodies continue to improve with each new version.

 

[davidmurray]

The "main component," of course, is the photographer; therefore, it seems indisputable that the "main component" will be little more than a small, evolutionary advance over the one used by the previous model.

True, but clearly it's impossible to be a photographer who takes good pictures without at least 13.5-stops of DR. As for staying asleep, well, if you can't push your severely underexposed images at least 6 stops, there's no point in even getting out of bed.

:

Not everyone wants more DR and less shadow noise just to push underexposed photos 6 stops -- there are real-life situations where it's helpful. As you've shown repeatedly, of course, a little more DR doesn't help in the most challenging cases. Nevertheless, more is better. Or, in the case of shadow noise, less is better.

No one (I hope) would argue that point. Likewise, more fps is better, deeper buffer is better, more AF point spread is better, more cross-type points is better, more metering sensor density is better, a faster sync speed is better, etc.

Maybe the 'main component' is the shutter button, kind of important for taking pictures, 'eh?

There is a great Sondheim sing that is very apposite for this conversation: More.

http://www.mad-eyes.net/disco/ib/more.htm

(Link to lyrics of the song More).

 

[CanonGuy]

The "main component," of course, is the photographer; therefore, it seems indisputable that the "main component" will be little more than a small, evolutionary advance over the one used by the previous model.

True, but clearly it's impossible to be a photographer who takes good pictures without at least 13.5-stops of DR. As for staying asleep, well, if you can't push your severely underexposed images at least 6 stops, there's no point in even getting out of bed.

:

Not everyone wants more DR and less shadow noise just to push underexposed photos 6 stops -- there are real-life situations where it's helpful. As you've shown repeatedly, of course, a little more DR doesn't help in the most challenging cases. Nevertheless, more is better. Or, in the case of shadow noise, less is better.

No one (I hope) would argue that point. Likewise, more fps is better, deeper buffer is better, more AF point spread is better, more cross-type points is better, more metering sensor density is better, a faster sync speed is better, etc.

Maybe the 'main component' is the shutter button, kind of important for taking pictures, 'eh?

O Yah! Maybe even the power on button right? Keep sleeping, like Canon. Good night.

 

[Loswr]

O Yah! Maybe even the power on button right? Keep sleeping, like Canon. Good night.

Canon is sleeping? O Yah, sleeping all the way to the bank after selling more dSLRs than anyone else every year for over a decade.

 

[Jack Douglas]

neuro, don't you ever get tired of this level of interaction. I think any half awake person knows Canon hasn't been sleeping and are not about to go down the tube. Sometimes it even goes beyond being humourous.

Jack

 

[AUGS]

The "main component," of course, is the photographer; therefore, it seems indisputable that the "main component" will be little more than a small, evolutionary advance over the one used by the previous model.

True, but clearly it's impossible to be a photographer who takes good pictures without at least 13.5-stops of DR. As for staying asleep, well, if you can't push your severely underexposed images at least 6 stops, there's no point in even getting out of bed.

:

Not everyone wants more DR and less shadow noise just to push underexposed photos 6 stops -- there are real-life situations where it's helpful. As you've shown repeatedly, of course, a little more DR doesn't help in the most challenging cases. Nevertheless, more is better. Or, in the case of shadow noise, less is better.

No one (I hope) would argue that point. Likewise, more fps is better, deeper buffer is better, more AF point spread is better, more cross-type points is better, more metering sensor density is better, a faster sync speed is better, etc.

Maybe the 'main component' is the shutter button, kind of important for taking pictures, 'eh?

To paraphrase scottinfw, the "main component" is whatever thing doesn't work they way you think it should.

To quote Ansel Adams
“The single most important component of a camera is the twelve inches behind it!”

So, yes probably.

 

[kaihp]

To quote Ansel Adams
“The single most important component of a camera is the twelve inches behind it!”

So, yes probably.

Very close to the local saying "Error-40" - meaning that that the error ocurred 40cm (16 inches) behind the screen (ie user error).

 

[Maximilian]

To quote Ansel Adams
“The single most important component of a camera is the twelve inches behind it!”

So, yes probably.

Very close to the local saying "Error-40" - meaning that that the error ocurred 40cm (16 inches) behind the screen (ie user error).

I prefer the "layer 8" error

 

[IgotGASbadDude]

So I've got $2,000 saved. Only $5,000 to go (estimated) and it'll be mine.

At this rate I'll be getting the 1DX II when the 1DX III comes out :-\

That isn't bad. Never hurts to be a little behind the curve.

No can wait. GOTTA HAVE IT NOW! ;D

 

[tpatana]

To quote Ansel Adams
“The single most important component of a camera is the twelve inches behind it!”

So, yes probably.

Very close to the local saying "Error-40" - meaning that that the error ocurred 40cm (16 inches) behind the screen (ie user error).

I prefer the "layer 8" error

PC problems are usually between the keyboard and the chair.

 

[kaihp]

To quote Ansel Adams
“The single most important component of a camera is the twelve inches behind it!”

So, yes probably.

Very close to the local saying "Error-40" - meaning that that the error ocurred 40cm (16 inches) behind the screen (ie user error).

I prefer the "layer 8" error

PC problems are usually between the keyboard and the chair.

Classic cases of PEBKAC (Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair).
Enough jogging around in the Jargon File

 

[GoldWing]

Canon missed every 2015 Christmas shopper.... I think I'll wait until the first RECALL like on the 1DX Mirror Box and PCB issues. Can Canon put out a BUG FREE pro product? My 1DX has spent more time in service than I've used it. Now they recall all my 7 600EXRT's and my radio controller.... If Canon's 1DX MKII is not a VAST improvement over the 1DX.... I'm not buying anymore GLASS until Canon puts out vastly updated technology where I don't need 3 bodies to travel with because they fail. I travel with 3 1DX bodies and on almost every assignment "something" happens to one or two that degrades quality. As a pro sports shooter... THERE MUST BE SOME relief for us!!!! I don't want another 1DX that needs more oil changes than a 1950 Chevy

<p>We’ve been told by a couple of people that Canon is gearing up for a “significant’ DSLR announcement in January of 2016. While no camera was mentioned, we feel that any “significant” announcement would be for Canon’s new flagship DSLR and not an EOS 80D.</p>
<p>We have been <a href="http://www.canonrumors.com/more-canon-eos-1d-x-mark-ii-talk-cr2/">told previously</a> that we should expect the new camera to be shipping no later than April 2016.</p>
<p><em>More to come…</em></p>

 

[Memdroid]

Canon missed every 2015 Christmas shopper.... I think I'll wait until the first RECALL like on the 1DX Mirror Box and PCB issues. Can Canon put out a BUG FREE pro product? My 1DX has spent more time in service than I've used it. Now they recall all my 7 600EXRT's and my radio controller.... If Canon's 1DX MKII is not a VAST improvement over the 1DX.... I'm not buying anymore GLASS until Canon puts out vastly updated technology where I don't need 3 bodies to travel with because they fail. I travel with 3 1DX bodies and on almost every assignment "something" happens to one or two that degrades quality. As a pro sports shooter... THERE MUST BE SOME relief for us!!!! I don't want another 1DX that needs more oil changes than a 1950 Chevy

<p>We’ve been told by a couple of people that Canon is gearing up for a “significant’ DSLR announcement in January of 2016. While no camera was mentioned, we feel that any “significant” announcement would be for Canon’s new flagship DSLR and not an EOS 80D.</p>
<p>We have been <a href="http://www.canonrumors.com/more-canon-eos-1d-x-mark-ii-talk-cr2/">told previously</a> that we should expect the new camera to be shipping no later than April 2016.</p>
<p><em>More to come…</em></p>

Really? Tough luck man. I battered and abused my 1Dx like a unwanted child and the damn thing still kicks it and never failed me ONCE in the three years I own it. Even my 5D3 is holding it together and both of them have seen, felt and handled the worst case scenarios like champ! I am talking rain, sea water, desert sand, champagne showers and the countless banging and bruises to objects, people and myself. The 5d went to service once because some components were not aligned anymore that resulted in unsharp images. Other than that, the bodies work and do their jobs better than I do.
I also don't think an 1D is something you give out on Christmas. It is not exactly a consumer average Joe product, is it?

 

[Jack Douglas]

GoldWing, if my record with Canon was that bad I'd never stay with them. I did have one point and shoot go screwy but I've chosen to ignore that.

Sadly, no one I know would buy me a 1DX II for Christmas ...... well, maybe my dear wife, believe it or not. I'm a lucky guy in that respect. Anyone on CR ever get a pro camera for Christmas, out of curiosity?

Jack

 

[jeffa4444]

GoldWing

You must be very unlucky. We rent Canon bodies & lenses and of all the brands we rent including Leica they are robust and trustworthy products even though rental equipment sees more abuse than owned equipment. From a personal perspective Ive owned Canon cameras & lenses since 1971 and in all that time had one camera serviced through a fault (AE-1 Program) and one lens (EF 28mm f2.8 with faulty iris) in both cases they were fixed quickly and worked fine thereafter.
Ive had far more issues with cars, computers, vacuum cleaners etc.