Canon EOS-1D X Mark II Coming in April 2016 [CR3]

[ahsanford]

3) You are Surapon.

- A

LOL!!! You beat me to it!

He's a gent on this forum with spectacular fashion sense and a world-class level of photography preparedness.

A photography ubermensch, an optical-flavored world's most interesting man, and owner of lots of gear.

- A

 

[ajfotofilmagem]

I am so happy with Canon's decision to set the price at $5999 rather than $6,799.
Canon, I want you to know that the $800 difference will benefit you. Speaking for myself, I plan to purchase two this April, but would have purchased only one if the price were $6,799.
If the price drops by another thousand after the first year, I will likely purchase a third 1D X Mark II as well

Can I ask a dumb question? What would you do with 3 1DX type bodies?
I get owning 3 (or more) different bodies that serve different purposes. I get 2 of the same bodies with 2 different lenses in the midst of a shoot. But 3 at a time? Especially giant 1DX style?
Just curious.

I actually don't know first hand, but I could speculate:

1) You shoot sideline sports (especially in inclement weather) -- easier/faster/safer to swap rigs than swap lenses.

2) You buy/own all of your business' gear but you shoot events with a partner.

3) You are Surapon.

3) You are Surapon. what does this mean? some kind of code for big shot or something?

Surapon is the person who appears in the photo, with a lot of cameras and lenses hanging from their necks. He is a member of CanonRumors having another profession, but does photography for pleasure.
He is also known for never sell your used equipment, and carrying several kilograms of equipment at the same time.

 

[AshtonNekolah]

3) You are Surapon. what does this mean? some kind of code for big shot or something?

Surapon is a friendly member of the CR Forums, known for clever DIY MacGyver-style flash brackets, rope tripods and for occasionally posting pictures of himself with all his gear on...as he hikes to Delicate Arch, or other places.

Search the CR Forum, and you'll get to know Surapon. He's on my short list of people from the forum I'd like to meet someday.

cool, thanks for the info ;D

 

[PureClassA]

I developed back problems just looking at pictures of Surapon over the years

 

[Jopa]

And a 5D4 with spot metering at any AF point.

So far this feature is reserved for the 1DX Would be really nice to get it on the 5D-series as well, I would really appreciate if Canon made it available for the 5dsr via firmware upgrade, the great camera would be even greater! Using the spot metering combined with those nice Profoto B1 Air TTL strobes I won't need to do anything but adjust balance

 

[clicstudio]

The Canon will almost assuredly wreck Nikon's AF system once again. And it's not about how many points Nikon boasts, it's how GOOD they are. And we don't even know how many Canon will have yet. Nikon has ZERO dual-cross on the D5. That's a pretty lousy start right there for a $6500 professional camera.

From DPReview.com The Multi-CAM 20K AF sensor module offers superior AF performance with 153 AF points, including 99 cross-type sensors - triple the AF points from Nikon’s previous flagship, the D4S.
What are u talking about Zero Dual Cross?

 

[ahsanford]

And a 5D4 with spot metering at any AF point.

So far this feature is reserved for the 1DX Would be really nice to get it on the 5D-series as well, I would really appreciate if Canon made it available for the 5dsr via firmware upgrade, the great camera would be even greater! Using the spot metering combined with those nice Profoto B1 Air TTL strobes I won't need to do anything but adjust balance

I'm OT with this, sorry. I just get miffed a Nikon D-effing-5500 has this feature and my 5D3 doesn't. It's a gold feature for how/what I shoot, which is life / as it's happening / wildly variable lighting / very quick opportunities to shoot / no second chances. I would honestly consider a worse overall camera, say a 6D2 with a nerfed feature set, if it just offered me this one feature.

- A

 

[bdunbar79]

The Canon will almost assuredly wreck Nikon's AF system once again. And it's not about how many points Nikon boasts, it's how GOOD they are. And we don't even know how many Canon will have yet. Nikon has ZERO dual-cross on the D5. That's a pretty lousy start right there for a $6500 professional camera.

From DPReview.com The Multi-CAM 20K AF sensor module offers superior AF performance with 153 AF points, including 99 cross-type sensors - triple the AF points from Nikon’s previous flagship, the D4S.
What are u talking about Zero Dual Cross?

The D5 has 99 cross-type sensors, not DUAL-cross type sensors, like Canon has. There are horizontal, vertical, cross-type, and dual-cross-type AF sensors. Nikon doesn't have dual-cross-types in any model. Canon has them in several models, and those points are more precise than anything. That's why Canon's AF systems are more precise than any other manufacturer, in phase-detect AF.

 

[Famateur]

The Canon will almost assuredly wreck Nikon's AF system once again. And it's not about how many points Nikon boasts, it's how GOOD they are. And we don't even know how many Canon will have yet. Nikon has ZERO dual-cross on the D5. That's a pretty lousy start right there for a $6500 professional camera.

From DPReview.com The Multi-CAM 20K AF sensor module offers superior AF performance with 153 AF points, including 99 cross-type sensors - triple the AF points from Nikon’s previous flagship, the D4S.
What are u talking about Zero Dual Cross?

Cross-type is not the same as dual cross-type.

I haven't seen the presence of dual cross-type mentioned yet in reference to the D5, but I'd be surprised if there were none. Maybe someone could point me to official specs that provide more detail about the type of cross-type AF points on the D5...

 

[PureClassA]

There are regular AF points. There are cross-type. And there are dual cross type. Nikon has none of the dual cross type we know of. And after having seen the AF point layout on the D5 and which ones it appears you can actually select ... I'm not that impressed. But yes, I'm sure the 153AF points are "superior" ... to the D4. Only real world head-to-head will determine which is faster and more consistently accurate. The D5 or 1DX2. I'm not putting money on the D5...

The Canon will almost assuredly wreck Nikon's AF system once again. And it's not about how many points Nikon boasts, it's how GOOD they are. And we don't even know how many Canon will have yet. Nikon has ZERO dual-cross on the D5. That's a pretty lousy start right there for a $6500 professional camera.

From DPReview.com The Multi-CAM 20K AF sensor module offers superior AF performance with 153 AF points, including 99 cross-type sensors - triple the AF points from Nikon’s previous flagship, the D4S.
What are u talking about Zero Dual Cross?

 

[clicstudio]

Who knows for sure if the 1DX2 will cost $5999????? Nobody knows.
Nobody even knows the actual specs or what it will look like... People are Assuming, as always.
Who knows if it's $5999 or $6500 or $7000. Pros will buy it not matter the price.
If u can afford $6K u can certainly afford $7K.
These are not cameras for amateurs or prosumers.
My 1DX paid for itself in a week. Whoever buys one is going to make money with it. If u can't afford one, get a 7D.

 

[ahsanford]

There are regular AF points. There are cross-type. And there are dual cross type. Nikon has none of the dual cross type we know of. And after having seen the AF point layout on the D5 and which ones it appears you can actually select ... I'm not that impressed. But yes, I'm sure the 153AF points are "superior" ... to the D4. Only real world head-to-head will determine which is faster and more consistently accurate. The D5 or 1DX2. I'm not putting money on the D5...

Really broadly, and with certain exceptions:

Number of AF points helps you sell to enthusiasts who don't know better.

Spread of AF points and teleconverter friendliness helps you sell to enthusiasts who do know better.

Quality of AF points / servo tweakability / pure hit rate in real world conditions helps your sell a 1DX or D5.

- A

 

[PureClassA]

There ya go. 153AF. 99 Cross Type. If they had any DUAL Cross, I promise you, they would be heralded. Otherwise a terrible oversight by Nikon if they do.

http://cdn-4.nikon-cdn.com/e/Q5NM96RZZo-YRYNeYvAi9beHK4x3L-8go_p7JUL6JpQMwSj_xzTyyQ==/PDF/D5_Brochure.pdf

The Canon will almost assuredly wreck Nikon's AF system once again. And it's not about how many points Nikon boasts, it's how GOOD they are. And we don't even know how many Canon will have yet. Nikon has ZERO dual-cross on the D5. That's a pretty lousy start right there for a $6500 professional camera.

From DPReview.com The Multi-CAM 20K AF sensor module offers superior AF performance with 153 AF points, including 99 cross-type sensors - triple the AF points from Nikon’s previous flagship, the D4S.
What are u talking about Zero Dual Cross?

Cross-type is not the same as dual cross-type.

I haven't seen the presence of dual cross-type mentioned yet in reference to the D5, but I'd be surprised if there were none. Maybe someone could point me to official specs that provide more detail about the type of cross-type AF points on the D5...

 

[PureClassA]

There are regular AF points. There are cross-type. And there are dual cross type. Nikon has none of the dual cross type we know of. And after having seen the AF point layout on the D5 and which ones it appears you can actually select ... I'm not that impressed. But yes, I'm sure the 153AF points are "superior" ... to the D4. Only real world head-to-head will determine which is faster and more consistently accurate. The D5 or 1DX2. I'm not putting money on the D5...

Really broadly, and with certain exceptions:

Number of AF points helps you sell to enthusiasts who don't know better.

Spread of AF points and teleconverter friendliness helps you sell to enthusiasts who do know better.

Quality of AF points / servo tweakability / pure hit rate in real world conditions helps your sell a 1DX or D5.

- A

Precisely

 

[PureClassA]

Let's not also forget that aside from the 100+ yet known typical AF points the 1DX2 will have (most cross, and MANY dual cross I'm betting) there is also the issue of a million little DPAF AF points only Canon can build ;D

 

[clicstudio]

One very important and useful thing to me is the spread of the AF points. Finally the D5 will have AF points that cover most of the frame. The 1DX, until now, has all AF points close to the center, covering about 60-70% of the actual frame. That means for full body portraits, the AF points can't reach the face. That means either no focus or reframing the photo to focus. It's a pain and something I go thru every day.
I hope the new 1DX2 will address that problem, just like Nikon did.

 

[CaptureWhatYouSee]

One very important and useful thing to me is the spread of the AF points. Finally the D5 will have AF points that cover most of the frame. The 1DX, until now, has all AF points close to the center, covering about 60-70% of the actual frame. That means for full body portraits, the AF points can't reach the face. That means either no focus or reframing the photo to focus. It's a pain and something I go thru every day.
I hope the new 1DX2 will address that problem, just like Nikon did.

I think that is for the D500.

 

[PureClassA]

One very important and useful thing to me is the spread of the AF points. Finally the D5 will have AF points that cover most of the frame. The 1DX, until now, has all AF points close to the center, covering about 60-70% of the actual frame. That means for full body portraits, the AF points can't reach the face. That means either no focus or reframing the photo to focus. It's a pain and something I go thru every day.
I hope the new 1DX2 will address that problem, just like Nikon did.

That's the screen for the D500 NOT the D5. The points are naturally closer to the edges on a crop sensor, because it's cropped.

If you look at the link I posted previously that is the official Nikon marketing book for the D5, you'll see ALL the AF points are center grouped. Can't really get around this easily in full frame. The AF component can only be so big.

 

[Don Haines]

The 1DX2, 5DIV, D5, and D500 all share two things.

First, they are undoubtedly good cameras...

Second, you only know what marketing departments and rumours have told you...

Until they have been in the hands of independent photographers and reviewed by unbiased sources, there is no sense wasting time arguing about the relative merits.

But there is one thing that we can depend on...... DXO will rate the Canon cameras poorly.

 

[arbitrage]

Nikon is really pushing some marketing magic with its claimed "153" AF points. I would be very surprised if all 153 are actual AF sensors on the AF module. More likely is that the actual 55 points that are selectable are the actual sensors and the other ones are just the outer edges of the AF sensors. The AF sensors are always much larger than the actual squares in the VF anyways...I doubt Nikon crammed in 153 true sensors.

The last 1DX2 rumour stated 80 or so sensors. That may be feasible in actual sensors if they spread them out a bit more.

If I'm right about Nikon's marketing then actually the D5 has 55 sensors and 35 x-type....still well below the old 1DX's 61 points with 41 x-type.

Of course maybe the D5's AF will be better than the 1DX...maybe even better than the 1DX2 but somehow I doubt it....time will tell....