Canon EOS-1D X Mark II Rumored Features [CR1]

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Maximilian said:
At least now you can say that the rumor mill is starts rolling. Nothing more.

I wonder how much the revenue from Ads goes up on these sites, ok, just the user traffic.

Can we have a graph please Admin, which shows the traffic and proximity to camera annoucements ;) ? It's ok, only joking...

More seriously, yes, the industry is now all about significant updates in the next 3-4 months. Just as Canon are updating the 1Dx & 5D, so Nikon will probably release an 8xx successor (based on the 42MP Sony) and the D5 as already shown.

Combined with the big shows in Q1, there will be a lot to digest and all the photography web sites will see an increase in traffic / revenue.
 
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scyrene said:
Tiderace said:
As a Photography Camera looks promising, if these differences are VISIBLE to the consumer, which I am not as yet convinced they will be in the wedding business. Perhaps there are fashion and other high end markets it will serve.

I thought the 5D series was the wedding photographers' go-to model, with the 1Dx aimed at wildlife, sports, and messy environments (like warzones)?

Doesnt it depend on how many weddings you shoot and how many pictures? The 1Dx will last longer (more durable shutter etc), it has slightly better low & high ISO I believe and for some, it looks more prestigous. I'm sure for the majority, the 5D III is indeed the preferred choice - especially if you can buy 2 for the price of the 1Dx but I'm equally sure there are some who will prefer and use the 1D series.
 
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gsealy said:
This 'thing' might be priced as high as $9K given its position as a 1Dx/Dc 'super' camera.

Not that high. Maybe $8999. :P

On Canonwatch, I also read the 5Ds will get an update based on the new sensor tech that 1dx2 and 5d4 will get, not very Canon like, but makes a lot of sense, and makes me very excited. I thought, the 5ds was a stop gap, but if they announce an update based on a high DR model with 16 bit files... I will be very happy.
 
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The Specs are driven by what Canon knows Nikon will release in the D5. This is why they might both end up with 4K 60fps video. While in 2016 it would be ridicilous for a 7000 buck camera not to offer that, without competition Canon probably would release new DSLRs with their 2008 Full HD video technology until the year 2040. In the end we can be thankful to the free market and any new feature that Sony, Nikon etc do release in their products, which puts pressure to Canon to compete.
 
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K-amps said:
gsealy said:
This 'thing' might be priced as high as $9K given its position as a 1Dx/Dc 'super' camera.

Not that high. Maybe $8999. :P

On *********, I also read the 5Ds will get an update based on the new sensor tech that 1dx2 and 5d4 will get, not very Canon like, but makes a lot of sense, and makes me very excited. I thought, the 5ds was a stop gap, but if they announce an update based on a high DR model with 16 bit files... I will be very happy.

$6999, and I would still be stunned if the offer an updated 5Ds without a trade-in... I can see them releasing it in 2017 without a trade-in, otherwise what else will Canon be releasing next year other than the entry level refreshes which dont get the same buzz ;)?

Wouldnt suprise me if the 6D II slipped into 2017 also...

Back to the crux, it will be interesting to see what the MK II gets exclusively (new AF aside), or whether it is indeed just "enhanced" features over the 5D4
 
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Stu_bert said:
scyrene said:
Tiderace said:
As a Photography Camera looks promising, if these differences are VISIBLE to the consumer, which I am not as yet convinced they will be in the wedding business. Perhaps there are fashion and other high end markets it will serve.

I thought the 5D series was the wedding photographers' go-to model, with the 1Dx aimed at wildlife, sports, and messy environments (like warzones)?

Doesnt it depend on how many weddings you shoot and how many pictures? The 1Dx will last longer (more durable shutter etc), it has slightly better low & high ISO I believe and for some, it looks more prestigous. I'm sure for the majority, the 5D III is indeed the preferred choice - especially if you can buy 2 for the price of the 1Dx but I'm equally sure there are some who will prefer and use the 1D series.

Well sure. I'm sure there are people using all sorts of equipment for all sorts of uses. But the implication I read there was that weddings were a main target of this model, which they are not (from what I have read, I have no direct experience of that field).
 
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scyrene said:
Stu_bert said:
scyrene said:
Tiderace said:
As a Photography Camera looks promising, if these differences are VISIBLE to the consumer, which I am not as yet convinced they will be in the wedding business. Perhaps there are fashion and other high end markets it will serve.

I thought the 5D series was the wedding photographers' go-to model, with the 1Dx aimed at wildlife, sports, and messy environments (like warzones)?

Doesnt it depend on how many weddings you shoot and how many pictures? The 1Dx will last longer (more durable shutter etc), it has slightly better low & high ISO I believe and for some, it looks more prestigous. I'm sure for the majority, the 5D III is indeed the preferred choice - especially if you can buy 2 for the price of the 1Dx but I'm equally sure there are some who will prefer and use the 1D series.

Well sure. I'm sure there are people using all sorts of equipment for all sorts of uses. But the implication I read there was that weddings were a main target of this model, which they are not (from what I have read, I have no direct experience of that field).

Yes, the 5D Mark III is a very, very popular model for professional wedding photographers. I would also have to believe that was one of its main intended uses. The only real advantages a 1Dx offers is higher flash sync speed and durability but at twice the cost (2012).
 
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PureClassA said:
Replacing the 1DX and 1DC as the next logical step is something I've said for almost a year now. It's the only thing that makes sense for them in that price range, and there is little reason not to now. With so many great offerings in 4k cameras now under 10K and even under 5k, I can't see how having a dedicated model at $10k again is fiscally viable. But having the best DSLR that also does excellent video opens up both markets of users to the same product. I would think with a dual Digic 7 chip set in there, Canon could perhaps incorporate BOTH excellent stills processing and the capability of the cinema chipset from the 1DC?

It's still kinda weird though as the huge fps and expensive mirror box and all the other stuff is maybe over the top for some video people, 5D class stills were enough (and even more than for some), so making them pay for a big brick with all that seems weird. Making 5D class tops for video would be a lot more sensible.
 
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scyrene said:
Tiderace said:
As a Photography Camera looks promising, if these differences are VISIBLE to the consumer, which I am not as yet convinced they will be in the wedding business. Perhaps there are fashion and other high end markets it will serve.

I thought the 5D series was the wedding photographers' go-to model, with the 1Dx aimed at wildlife, sports, and messy environments (like warzones)?


Of the many wedding photographers I know,

Megapixels isn't even on their radar of importance at all. No album size they print is large enough to exceed the resolution.

The 5D3 is king because they get all the performance they need, for 1/3 - 1/2 the price of the 1DX.

Sure, the 1DX you don't need battery grip, it has the higher flash sync speed which is very nice for weddings, and the selective spot metering, which isn't that critical for weddings.

It has the downside of being large and heavy for long 8+ hour days and there are a lot of women wedding photographers who don't want to sling that beast.

The high FPS are not much use except for catching the bouquet / garter toss shots.

The low light capability is a plus, but not game changing over the 5D3. The AF is similar enough.

These are business people. Not just photographers. At least the successful ones.

A camera is a business tool. A piece of equipment. They want to keep equipment costs down as much as possible, while getting the results they need. 5D3 is very durable and lasts long. Thus it is a superior value. A business minded photographer needs to be able to prove that a 1DX's $3,000 - $4,000 higher cost will bring that money back in and then some.

The ones that I know cannot find any feature worth that, nor a feature that would make that money back.

It is very different from Nikon. A lot of Nikon wedding pros use the flagship D4S ...because in the Nikon world, they do not have an equivalent wedding workhorse camera like Canon does in the 5D series.

Most of the Canon wedding shooters I've seen are using cameras like the 7D, 5D2, 5D3, 60D, 40D or a combination of them main vs backup or secondary. Of those, the 5D3 is the rarest, even after it has been out all these years.

At the end of the day, if the camera has sufficient speed, durability, AF and image quality to deliver quality results to the customer, why upgrade? Not a single customer says "oh good thing you got that 5DS for the bridal party shot" ..."it makes a huge difference on my 12" album" ... We're talking printed photos or albums no larger than 16". For digital, no more than 4-5MB JPG's so they can easily share, print and post on the web and elsewhere. There's also DVD/Bluray slideshows.

Not a single customer says "oh wow, love the dynamic range on these pictures, I appreciate the cleanliness of the shadow areas cause that's where I look when I view my wedding photos" not that it shows up in print anyway!

The wedding pros that I know are all more interested in glass. There they will buy good glass and don't mind doing so as they hold value within reason. That and, only with certain lenses can one get a certain perspective and look. No getting around that. And even with that, several do not upgrade anytime soon. Now, on workhorse glass - the majority I know run 1st generation 24-70, along with the 70-200. No hurry to update. For what? Is it i even a possibility for a client to see the difference between the I and the II ? They're not viewing these in Lightroom at 1:1. A couple wedding pros don't even bother with the 2.8, they go with the F4 70-200, and save a lot of money and get great shots. The 85mm 1.2 and lenses like that, different story. You just can't find a cheap way to get that look.

But I digress, so back to the camera.


What business sense does a 1DX make for a wedding pro? Not much at all.

1DX will always make more sense for the serious sports, news, and some wildlife pros.
 
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K said:
scyrene said:
Tiderace said:
As a Photography Camera looks promising, if these differences are VISIBLE to the consumer, which I am not as yet convinced they will be in the wedding business. Perhaps there are fashion and other high end markets it will serve.

I thought the 5D series was the wedding photographers' go-to model, with the 1Dx aimed at wildlife, sports, and messy environments (like warzones)?


Of the many wedding photographers I know,

Megapixels isn't even on their radar of importance at all. No album size they print is large enough to exceed the resolution.

The 5D3 is king because they get all the performance they need, for 1/3 - 1/2 the price of the 1DX.

Sure, the 1DX you don't need battery grip, it has the higher flash sync speed which is very nice for weddings, and the selective spot metering, which isn't that critical for weddings.

It has the downside of being large and heavy for long 8+ hour days and there are a lot of women wedding photographers who don't want to sling that beast.

The high FPS are not much use except for catching the bouquet / garter toss shots.

The low light capability is a plus, but not game changing over the 5D3. The AF is similar enough.

These are business people. Not just photographers. At least the successful ones.

A camera is a business tool. A piece of equipment. They want to keep equipment costs down as much as possible, while getting the results they need. 5D3 is very durable and lasts long. Thus it is a superior value. A business minded photographer needs to be able to prove that a 1DX's $3,000 - $4,000 higher cost will bring that money back in and then some.

The ones that I know cannot find any feature worth that, nor a feature that would make that money back.

It is very different from Nikon. A lot of Nikon wedding pros use the flagship D4S ...because in the Nikon world, they do not have an equivalent wedding workhorse camera like Canon does in the 5D series.

Most of the Canon wedding shooters I've seen are using cameras like the 7D, 5D2, 5D3, 60D, 40D or a combination of them main vs backup or secondary. Of those, the 5D3 is the rarest, even after it has been out all these years.

At the end of the day, if the camera has sufficient speed, durability, AF and image quality to deliver quality results to the customer, why upgrade? Not a single customer says "oh good thing you got that 5DS for the bridal party shot" ..."it makes a huge difference on my 12" album" ... We're talking printed photos or albums no larger than 16". For digital, no more than 4-5MB JPG's so they can easily share, print and post on the web and elsewhere. There's also DVD/Bluray slideshows.

Not a single customer says "oh wow, love the dynamic range on these pictures, I appreciate the cleanliness of the shadow areas cause that's where I look when I view my wedding photos" not that it shows up in print anyway!

The wedding pros that I know are all more interested in glass. There they will buy good glass and don't mind doing so as they hold value within reason. That and, only with certain lenses can one get a certain perspective and look. No getting around that. And even with that, several do not upgrade anytime soon. Now, on workhorse glass - the majority I know run 1st generation 24-70, along with the 70-200. No hurry to update. For what? Is it i even a possibility for a client to see the difference between the I and the II ? They're not viewing these in Lightroom at 1:1. A couple wedding pros don't even bother with the 2.8, they go with the F4 70-200, and save a lot of money and get great shots. The 85mm 1.2 and lenses like that, different story. You just can't find a cheap way to get that look.

But I digress, so back to the camera.


What business sense does a 1DX make for a wedding pro? Not much at all.

1DX will always make more sense for the serious sports, news, and some wildlife pros.

Silent mode on the 5D mkIII is much quieter than the 1DX and makes shooting in churches during the ceremony possible. I have never had a minister say I couldn't shoot with the 5D MkIII during a service, I have had them say that about 1 series cameras.
 
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If it is going to be a 1DX and 1DC combo then I just hope:

a) The price is around what the 1DX was when it launched; and that

b) Canon creates a viewfinder (or as an option / extra) like on the C100 Mark II and C300/500 etc. That would be very useful when shooting video in bright light etc.
 
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Talley said:
Hobbyist spend by far much more money on camera equipment than pro's do.

I know alot of pro's who use mediocre stuff.

That is a too broad generalisation without actual data. For instance I live in Florida and it isn't difficult to find enthusiastic birders with 1DX and EF600mm packages, but there are many more with 7D MkII's and Sigma 150-600, but on the sidelines of any college football game, or many other sports, there will be working pros with those 1D MkIV's and 1DX's and 400 2.8's. I don' personally know one single amateur with a medium format digital camera yet I know several pros with them.

I have also seen 'pros' shooting weddings with Rebels.......
 
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privatebydesign said:
Talley said:
Hobbyist spend by far much more money on camera equipment than pro's do.

I know alot of pro's who use mediocre stuff.

That is a too broad generalisation without actual data. For instance I live in Florida and it isn't difficult to find enthusiastic birders with 1DX and EF600mm packages, but there are many more with 7D MkII's and Sigma 150-600, but on the sidelines of any college football game, or many other sports, there will be working pros with those 1D MkIV's and 1DX's and 400 2.8's. I don' personally know one single amateur with a medium format digital camera yet I know several pros with them.

I have also seen 'pros' shooting weddings with Rebels.......

I agree it is highly variable. BUT there are several reasons that amateurs might have better equipment.

1. They do not need to justify the cost in business terms. They justify the cost in emotional enjoyment (or the flip avoid angst of having the toys the want).

2. They do not make money with photography. They make money elsewhere and spending on photography for enjoyment. Being a pro is not easy and often financially challenging. Enjoyment does not matter if you do not food on the table.
 
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Boy isn't it getting interesting. The new RED Scarlet-W cine body - 5k at 60fps 14 megapixel at 60 fps. oooooof
at the 10k price point.... double oooooof.


oh wait they also advertise 16.5 stops of DR.

oh it so much... I am getting dizzy.

they still haven't solved the primary nut problem - you know the one behind the wheel.
 
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