Canon EOS-1D X Mark II Rumored Features [CR1]

[3kramd5]

Re: Canon EOSfik-1D X Mark II Rumored Features [CR1]

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Lol, again you're diminishing people who don't act like you think pros act. I'm sure you're world best photographer, but why take away something from the average Joe that would be super easy to add from Canon?
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Like I said, I used to keep photos as they were named from my Canon camera in the folder named by my Canon camera. It made certain things easy - primarily it made dealing with backups easy.

The average Joe isn't going to benefit from image numbers going from 00001 - 99999 instead of 0001 - 9999.

That said, you don't need to be a pro to benefit from renaming files on import.

So... I'm really trying to think how renaming would help me more than sequential numbers

I rename in import to what I want the files in my commercial website to be named. I sell sets of photos with sequential numbering (SETNAME_1ofXXX thru SETNAME_XXXofXXX), and having the files stored in my system match the names of my product (versus say 3528 in my system being 23of101 on my website) makes maintenance much easier.

 

[tpatana]

Re: Canon EOSfik-1D X Mark II Rumored Features [CR1]

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Lol, again you're diminishing people who don't act like you think pros act. I'm sure you're world best photographer, but why take away something from the average Joe that would be super easy to add from Canon?
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Like I said, I used to keep photos as they were named from my Canon camera in the folder named by my Canon camera. It made certain things easy - primarily it made dealing with backups easy.

The average Joe isn't going to benefit from image numbers going from 00001 - 99999 instead of 0001 - 9999.

That said, you don't need to be a pro to benefit from renaming files on import.

So... I'm really trying to think how renaming would help me more than sequential numbers

I rename in import to what I want the files in my commercial website to be named. I sell sets of photos with sequential numbering (SETNAME_1ofXXX thru SETNAME_XXXofXXX), and having the files stored in my system match the names of my product (versus say 3528 in my system being 23of101 on my website) makes maintenance much easier.

Great, that sounds good system for your use. And I'm not planning to take away your ability to do that in the future either. But I'm not sure why dilbert doesn't want for me to be able to use the system I'd prefer. Wouldn't it be nice if we both were able to use the system each of us prefers?

 

[Loswr]

What I infer from your preference is that you don't actually want to make a choice (or are somehow scared of renaming the files), so you just want to use what comes out of the camera and for that to be unambiguous for the entire time that you own it. You may also be thinking "but I've started out this way, I don't want to change over half way through." - which is akin to "I'm 50, no point in giving up cigarettes now."

What I conclude from your statement is that you lack the mental capacity to comprehend that consecutive numbering is valid as part of an organizational scheme, and that you're too scared or too ignorant to acknowledge that someone else's DAM strategy might work better for them than the one you've chosen for yourself.

 

[privatebydesign]

Re: Canon EOSfik-1D X Mark II Rumored Features [CR1]

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Lol, again you're diminishing people who don't act like you think pros act. I'm sure you're world best photographer, but why take away something from the average Joe that would be super easy to add from Canon?
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Like I said, I used to keep photos as they were named from my Canon camera in the folder named by my Canon camera. It made certain things easy - primarily it made dealing with backups easy.

The average Joe isn't going to benefit from image numbers going from 00001 - 99999 instead of 0001 - 9999.

That said, you don't need to be a pro to benefit from renaming files on import.

So... I'm really trying to think how renaming would help me more than sequential numbers

I rename in import to what I want the files in my commercial website to be named. I sell sets of photos with sequential numbering (SETNAME_1ofXXX thru SETNAME_XXXofXXX), and having the files stored in my system match the names of my product (versus say 3528 in my system being 23of101 on my website) makes maintenance much easier.

I do that on Export, the trouble with doing it on Import is that every image is numbered and it looks odd if the numbers in the final gallery are not sequential because of the edits and repeats you don't want to show.

Collections, Smart Collections, Ratings and Flags are way smarter and faster than we are and you can group them in folders, so every gallery I ever uploaded is accessible at the touch of a button with no searching.

Makes maintenance much easier.

 

[3kramd5]

^^ Forgive my holiday-addled brain. I don't rename on import, I rename on computer (using lightroom) after I've culled etc.
My export presets don't rename, but until I've completed work on a given set the names are straight out of camera.

 

[PureClassA]

Are we really arguing file naming? Wow. Who cares what the camera calls it. You do a shoot, come home, import the files, name them whatever you want in whatever sequence you want.

 

[privatebydesign]

Are we really arguing file naming? Wow. Who cares what the camera calls it. You do a shoot, come home, import the files, name them whatever you want in whatever sequence you want.

Or you don't, you leave them alone and use far more advanced and smart search tools to find whatever you want whenever you want whilst saving the time and energy trying to enforce your own short sighted file naming structure.

Yep, that is what today's contretemps is about.

 

[Jack Douglas]

What I infer from your preference is that you don't actually want to make a choice (or are somehow scared of renaming the files), so you just want to use what comes out of the camera and for that to be unambiguous for the entire time that you own it. You may also be thinking "but I've started out this way, I don't want to change over half way through." - which is akin to "I'm 50, no point in giving up cigarettes now."

What I conclude from your statement is that you lack the mental capacity to comprehend that consecutive numbering is valid as part of an organizational scheme, and that you're too scared or too ignorant to acknowledge that someone else's DAM strategy might work better for them than the one you've chosen for yourself.

I read CR for the humour or am I allowed my spelling? However, it's time to find an alternate funny page.

When is this 1DX II coming anyway, I'm getting impatient. Then we can really have some fun arguing about all its shortcomings!

Jack

 

[Don Haines]

I read CR for the humour or am I allowed my spelling? However, it's time to find an alternate funny page.

When is this 1DX II coming anyway, I'm getting impatient. Then we can really have some fun arguing about all its shortcomings!

Jack

We certainly have a lot of funny people here, and some are humorous too.....

 

[privatebydesign]

Re: Canon EOSfik-1D X Mark II Rumored Features [CR1]

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I do that on Export, the trouble with doing it on Import is that every image is numbered and it looks odd if the numbers in the final gallery are not sequential because of the edits and repeats you don't want to show.
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Renaming in LR can also be used to change just the counter, so that if you have 1-4,7-9,14-15 (deleted a few that weren't up to par), you can do a rename and collapse it down to 1-9.

True, LR is a very useful and efficient DAM. Having said that I rarely delete even my rubbish, you never know when you are going to need to add in eyes, or a person, from another shot, or a bit of background for a composite, I find the deletes too useful too often to actually delete them!

 

[privatebydesign]

Re: Canon EOSfik-1D X Mark II Rumored Features [CR1]

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Like if I know I did shoot with Jane around September 2012 and I have pic I want to edit again. The file name is Tero1234.jpg. So I'd go folder 2012, then 09, then look through the folders for the thumbnails to see which one is correct. If not 09, check 08 and 10. Usually find the correct folder in <1 minute, and then search for the Tero1234.CR2 in that folder.

Lets assume that I've kept the metadata (EXIF) in the image so that I know I shot it on 24 Sep 2012 with a 5D Mark III. My folder heirarchy would be 5D3/2012/09/24/ and Tero1234.jpg would be in there. Unless I've got 9999 files in that folder, I don't need an extra digit of file numbering. Each individual unique image is pretty much identified by filename plus date. I don't know anyone that shoots > 10,000 images in a day - not even sports shooters.

Now if I've stripped the EXIF on export and want to find an image again, that's a whole other matter. Now I need a unique filename, preferably something like 20120924_Tero1234.JPG to make finding it in my directory tree easy.

Without EXIF, if I just kept it as "Tero_1234.JPG" or even "Tero_123456.JPG", finding the image (using "September 2012") is not going to be easy because I don't know which folder the original is in. To make searching easier, I need a directory tree that subdivides the number space but now in order to search for the image, I still need to find the right directory - now I need to keep files in a tree like 5D3/1234EOS. Now if I only know the date, I'm screwed - I need to know the filename - because I have no clues as to which directory it might be in and the worst part is that some on a day might be Tero_9998.JPPG and others could be Tero_10012.JPG, so a single day will be split across multiple directories.

The trouble with doing that is you are changing your image file names from an international standard format to one that isn't, potentially causing issues for current or future image viewing programs.

 

[privatebydesign]

Re: Canon EOSfik-1D X Mark II Rumored Features [CR1]

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The trouble with doing that is you are changing your image file names from an international standard format to one that isn't, potentially causing issues for current or future image viewing programs.

It has been said that IMG_####.XXX (8.3 filename) is in accordance with this standard format, thus IMG_##### or IMG_###### would not be. So either the limit of 0000-9999 is accepted or the international standard format is ignored and the filename format is opened up to anything.

My apologies, I misread your earlier comment.

I thought you were renaming your images to something like 5D3/2012/09/24/Tero1234.jpg, this breaks date protocols and I am sure other stuff.

Though the truth is image files are so ubiquitous I doubt any program would have any issue reading any file name just so long as it has the correct extension.

 

[Don Haines]

Re: Canon EOSfik-1D X Mark II Rumored Features [CR1]

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The trouble with doing that is you are changing your image file names from an international standard format to one that isn't, potentially causing issues for current or future image viewing programs.

It has been said that IMG_####.XXX (8.3 filename) is in accordance with this standard format, thus IMG_##### or IMG_###### would not be. So either the limit of 0000-9999 is accepted or the international standard format is ignored and the filename format is opened up to anything.

I thing it's the file name is opened up to everything..... so long as the extension is right.

On the 7D2 you can set the first 4 characters to anything you want.... I have an old Olympus 300 that let me do the same thing 10 years ago, and I have never had a problem with software recognizing the images....

 

[Loswr]

Re: Canon EOSfik-1D X Mark II Rumored Features [CR1]

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Like if I know I did shoot with Jane around September 2012 and I have pic I want to edit again. The file name is Tero1234.jpg. So I'd go folder 2012, then 09, then look through the folders for the thumbnails to see which one is correct. If not 09, check 08 and 10. Usually find the correct folder in <1 minute, and then search for the Tero1234.CR2 in that folder.

Lets assume that I've kept the metadata (EXIF) in the image so that I know I shot it on 24 Sep 2012 with a 5D Mark III. My folder heirarchy would be 5D3/2012/09/24/ and Tero1234.jpg would be in there.

Thus, you've demonstrated that the file can be easily located with the default filename, demonstrating that the effort taken to batch rename files is a waste of time.

A heirarchy such as 2012 > 09 > Jane's Photoshoot would also enable the image to be located with an OS-level search for 'Jane', which would find the folder even if the shoot was in August or October.

The point of consecutive numbering is that a file search for Tero1234.CR2 might pull up 20+ images, but TE271234.CR2 would pull up only one.

Do you actually sort your images by the camera used to take them?? If so, you giving advice on DAM is even more ludicrous that I thought.

 

[3kramd5]

Re: Canon EOSfik-1D X Mark II Rumored Features [CR1]

Do you actually sort your images by the camera used to take them??

Camera/Lens/FL/Aperture/Exposure Time/Weekday/Month/Year/XXX_YYYY.

For example I just shot the sunrise, and filed it as:
Sony ILCE-7RM2/Canon EF16-35f4LIS/0.787in/f5.6/0.2min/Monday/December/MMXV/Sunrise_0001.arw

Super useful!

 

[Loswr]

Re: Canon EOSfik-1D X Mark II Rumored Features [CR1]

Camera/Lens/FL/Aperture/Exposure Time/Weekday/Month/Year/XXX_YYYY.

For example I just shot the sunrise, and filed it as:
Sony ILCE-7RM2/Canon EF16-35f4LIS/0.787in/f5.6/0.2min/Monday/December/MMXV/Sunrise_0001.arw

Super useful!

2015 in Roman numerals nested within the month, nested within the day of the week? Or are the slashes part of your filename, rendering it incompatible with many OS? Focal length in imperial measures?

If that's useful to you, great. Sounds about as convenient and fun as bamboo shoots under the fingernails.

 

[3kramd5]

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Sounds about as convenient and fun as bamboo shoots under the fingernails.

Actually probably less so. I guess I went a little overboard piling on there.

In actuality, my naming structure is [type]/{series}/YYYY-MM-DD/filesgohere, where [type] may be travel or people or landscape or wildlife, etc., and series is a descriptive term.

 

[kaihp]

Re: Canon EOSfik-1D X Mark II Rumored Features [CR1]

In actuality, my naming structure is [type]/{series}/YYYY-MM-DD/filesgohere, where [type] may be travel or people or landscape or wildlife, etc., and series is a descriptive term.

My naming structure is YYYY/YYYY-MM-DD_<description>
That is, I have a directory for each year, and within that shoots are sorted by shooting year/month/date and then description. No tagging as I don't use anything beyond DPP and ICE once in a while.

Simple, but rugged and - most importantly - works for me

 

[tpatana]

Give me one popular modern file system which doesn't allow more than 8+3 naming convention.

 

[scottkinfw]

Re: Canon EOS-1D X Mark II Features [CR1]

Rationalize the 1DXII
This is a huge step up for you. It will take a long time to master and be what limits your creativity. It may be your last camera, who knows. Now don't you deserve the 1DXII? I submit that you owe it to yourself to get that camera. At least that is how I am thinking about it.

sek

Hobbyist spend by far much more money on camera equipment than pro's do.

I know alot of pro's who use mediocre stuff.

That is a too broad generalisation without actual data. For instance I live in Florida and it isn't difficult to find enthusiastic birders with 1DX and EF600mm packages, but there are many more with 7D MkII's and Sigma 150-600, but on the sidelines of any college football game, or many other sports, there will be working pros with those 1D MkIV's and 1DX's and 400 2.8's. I don' personally know one single amateur with a medium format digital camera yet I know several pros with them.

I have also seen 'pros' shooting weddings with Rebels.......

I agree it is highly variable. BUT there are several reasons that amateurs might have better equipment.

1. They do not need to justify the cost in business terms. They justify the cost in emotional enjoyment (or the flip avoid angst of having the toys the want).

2. They do not make money with photography. They make money elsewhere and spending on photography for enjoyment. Being a pro is not easy and often financially challenging. Enjoyment does not matter if you do not food on the table.

Kind of sad but I seriously scrimped for most of your life being too busy working hard, falling back into a holiday only mode with my old F1. Always regretted that a love born years ago was neglected but when a friend showed me what he was getting with his Nikon DSLR the flame reignited and off I went to purchase an "expensive" - like $1000 Nikon camera and lens. One year of that and wow this is amazing and furthermore look what others are getting with better lenses and ...... Can't fully justify it but it's now about $16000 in Canon gear and rising. And, it's a blast, especially being retired. I'll do without other luxuries! I'm sure my story is similar to many others. Now that I've tried the 1D IV for a few months I'm ready for a 1DX II - can't justify this!!

Jack